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So, @Firnagzen , I've been thinking about the latest update, and why it felt kind of...lackluster, given the circumstances. I think it's because there's not much written about Mami's reactions to Sabrina's words. It's the biggest difference between this heartwarming moment and the others throughout the quest. Without enough text devoted to the character's reactions, it just becomes Sabrina talking, which isn't nearly as satisfying. This recent update didn't have anything bad in it, but it felt like it was missing all of the meat, so to speak.

Which is a huge shame, because this was a pivotal moment that can't be repeated. I'd certainly be happy to wait a week for a revision to it, if need be.
 
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SaltyWaffles said:
So, @Firnagzen , I've been thinking about the latest update, and why it felt kind of...lackluster, given the circumstances. I think it's because there's not much written about Mami's reactions to Sabrina's words. It's the biggest difference between this heartwarming moment and the others throughout the quest. Without enough text devoted to the character's reactions, it just becomes Sabrina talking, which isn't nearly as satisfying. This recent update didn't have anything bad in it, but it felt like it was missing some of the meat, so to speak.
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Agreed. I... Thst is precisely why it felt so strange to me.
 
I just had the best idea I had ever since I started worshipping Nutella.

Next time we invite Nagisa over, we should ask Homura if she can bring Amy the cat. It will be so fluffy.
 
"Shin says they're almost here, so... Homura come here a second?"

So saying, Sabrina pulled Homura aside.

The black haired girl stared up at Sabrina, faint curiosity gleaming in her eyes.

"Homura, do you know what's fluffier than a small child?"

Homura shruged, puzzled.

"... A small child with a cat."

Homura tilted her head.

"And you know, I still haven't ever met Amy, so... do you think you could bring her over?"

Homura blinked, deep in thought. Sabrina waited patiently as her friend tried to make sense of her request. After a minute, Homura shrugged, giving up on finding the true meaning of cats.

... After all, she had already spent hours upon hours upon hours pondering the nature of cats, and how could one such animal have started the wheel of Madoka's Wishing and dying, to no result. Whatever power cats had over humanity, a power that damnable Incubator manipulated to great but terrible effect... it seemed to have hold over Sabrina, too.

With a sigh, Homura reached into her Shield-

-Only for Sabrina's hand to catch her arm.

Homura spared a thought to feel surprised that she hadn't felt the need to flinch at the sudden contact, and another to wonder whether that was a good or a bad thing, before Sabrina's warning tone snapped her out of it.

"Homura," the taller girl's smile froze in place. "Please tell me you didn't put Amy in your Shield."

The time traveller blinked slowly, stared into Sabrina's eyes... and looked away.

"I did not put Amy in my Shield," she muttered.

Sabrina held her arm for a moment longer before letting go, her eyes not leaving Homura's purple ones for a second.

"Great, because that would not be a good thing to do."

"Of course not," agreed Homura. "May I take my leave to go fetch Amy the cat who is currently wandering outside, and certainly not in my Shield?"

"Of course," nodded Sabrina, patting the shorter girl on the shoulder. Said girl nodded mechanically, turned, and after letting Mami know she would be back soon, walked outside. Sabrina watched her go, smile still frozen in place all the while.

She sighed.

"In the end, it's the truly small ones who are the real victims."

A few minutes later, Homura shuffled awkwardly besides Sabrina and Mami, as they watched an hyperactive Nagisa playing with the black cat, who seemed intent on burrowing its way into the little girl's massive mane of hair.

"Unrelated to everything whatsoever," muttered Homura suddenly, "there's plenty of milk and cat food in my Shield."

Sabrina and Mami stared at the time traveller.

Homura shrugged. "Amongst other things."
 
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Proposing augmented @Kaizuki with better research, now that I've had some time to think and condense:

[X] Cleanse

[X] Pull back. It's hard to articulate these things, sometimes, but... it's easy for you to show her.
-[X] Push magic into the ribbon of the pendant.
--[X] While focusing on your feelings for her.

[x] Relax for the rest of the night
- [x] Homework for Mami!

- [x] Basic research on grief.
-- [x] Hypothesis: Emotions matter.
--- [x] Prediction: Some griefhax effects require certain states of mind or grief enchanted with particular emotions.
--- [x] Prediction: Grief enchanted with different emotions will perform differently even in non-griefhax applications.
- [x] Ask about Mami's enchantment for the pendant
- [x] Soul snuggles for science: Give Mami's ribbons grief control by letting her push magic into yours? Can Mami enchant grief? Griefhax with Mami-enchanted grief?

[x] Breakfast with Mami
- [x] Good morning Mitakihara!
-- [x] You want to contact some other Japanese meguca groups. Fukushima and the University Group might have some useful info.
[x] Call up Nagisa, it's been a while!
[X] If Mami seems down about the two of us parting ways for the day, kiss her. She's not leaving you and you're not leaving her.
[x] Go shopping with Homura in the morning!
 
Onmur said:
"Shin says they're almost here, so... Homura come here a second?"

So saying, Sabrina pulled Homura aside.

The black haired girl stared up at Sabrina, faint curiosity gleaming in her eyes.

"Homura, do you know what's fluffier than a small child?"

Homura shruged, puzzled.

"... A small child with a cat."

Homura tilted her head.

"And you know, I still haven't ever met Amy, so... do you think you could bring her over?"

Homura blinked, deep in thought. Sabrina waited patiently as her friend tried to make sense of her request. After a minute, Homura shrugged, giving up on finding the true meaning of cats.

... After all, she had already spent hours upon hours upon hours pondering the nature of cats, and how could one such animal have started the wheel of Madoka's Wishing and dying, to no result. Whatever power cats had over humanity, a power that damnable Incubator manipulated to great but terrible effect... it seemed to have hold over Sabrina, too.

With a sigh, Homura reached into her Shield-

-Only for Sabrina's hand to catch her arm.

Homura spared a thought to feel surprised that she hadn't felt the need to flinch at the sudden contact, and another to wonder whether that was a good or a bad thing, before Sabrina's warning tone snapped her out of it.

"Homura," the taller girl's smile froze in place. "Please tell me you didn't put Amy in your Shield."

The time traveller blinked slowly, stared into Sabrina's eyes... and looks away.

"I did not put Amy in my Shield," she muttered.

Sabrina held her arm for a moment longer before letting go, her eyes not leaving Homura's purple ones for a second.

"Great, because that would not be a good thing to do."

"Of course not," agreed Homura. "May I take my leave to go fetch Amy the cat who is currently wandering outside, and certainly not in my Shield?"

"Of course," nodded Sabrina, patting the shorter girl on the shoulder. Said girl nodded mechanically, turned, and after letting Mami know she would be back soon, walked outside. Sabrina watched her go, smile still frozen in place all the while.

She sighed.

"In the end, it's the truly small ones who are the real victims."

A few minutes later, Homura shuffled awkwardly besides Sabrina and Mami, as they watched an hyperactive Nagisa playing with the black cat, who seemed intent on burrowing its way into the little girl's massive mane of hair.

"Unrelated to everything whatsoever," muttered Homura suddenly, "there's plenty of milk and cat food in my Shield."

Sabrina and Mami stared at the time traveller.

Homura shrugged. "Amongst other things."
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If Homura brings the contents of her shield with her each loop, and this is always how she deals with Amy, then "Amongst other things" probably includes more than one Amy. There are probably multiple Amy-the-cats in Homura's shield. They have probably got their own semi-time-stasis society of Amy-the-cat in there. Akin to the Highlander Sayaka phenomenon. But friendlier and more fluffy.
 
If red and veb prefer that science then that science it will be.

[X] Cleanse

[X] Pull back. It's hard to articulate these things, sometimes, but... it's easy for you to show her.
-[X] Push magic into the ribbon of the pendant.
--[X] While focusing on your feelings for her.

[x] Relax for the rest of the night
- [x] Homework for Mami!

- [x] Basic research on grief.
-- [x] Hypothesis: Emotions matter.
--- [x] Prediction: Some griefhax effects require certain states of mind or grief enchanted with particular emotions.
--- [x] Prediction: Grief enchanted with different emotions will perform differently even in non-griefhax applications.
- [x] Ask about Mami's enchantment for the pendant
- [x] Soul snuggles for science: Give Mami's ribbons grief control by letting her push magic into yours? Can Mami enchant grief? Griefhax with Mami-enchanted grief?

[x] Breakfast with Mami
- [x] Good morning Mitakihara!
-- [x] You want to contact some other Japanese meguca groups. Fukushima and the University Group might have some useful info.
[x] Call up Nagisa, it's been a while!
[X] If Mami seems down about the two of us parting ways for the day, kiss her. She's not leaving you and you're not leaving her.
[x] Go shopping with Homura in the morning!
 
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If Homura brings the contents of her shield with her each loop, and this is always how she deals with Amy, then "Amongst other things" probably includes more than one Amy. There are probably multiple Amy-the-cats in Homura's shield. They have probably got their own semi-time-stasis society of Amy-the-cat in there. Akin to the Highlander Sayaka phenomenon. But friendlier and more fluffy.
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Not to be a buzzkill, but Homura only does mental time-travel. If she takes a lifeform back with her, they overwrite the version native to the timeline.

So, from the perspective of the timeline, Amy would vanish into thin air as soon as Homura loops in.
 
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Mostly the scale at which a life form qualifies for being overridden. Also, then the question of artificial intelligences, the souls of cats, and the difference between stuffing something into Homura's shield (either stuffing it in stasis or chucking it forward into time to the point at which it will be retrieved? someone said something about both and I don't have a primary source citation on the mechanics of the thing) and Homura having physical contact with the thing (and thus taking it with her 'outside' of discretized time). Whether or not a sufficiently qualified entity inside the shield would bodily disappear from inside said shield and its consciousness wake up in its younger body; whether or not it would merely be the consciousness of the entity inside the shield that disappears, leaving the body behind. Or, if the shield does chuck things forward in time to when they would be retrieved, whether or not the entity that would be replaced by the version in the shield would only be replaced at the time Homura reaches in to pull out the version in the shield, because otherwise it doesn't exist within the new timeline yet at all and needs not cancel out the version native to the timeline. Obviously this is greatly simplified if some value of life forms (e.g. soul-possessing, above a certain cellular complexity, possessing some other nebulously defined form of higher consciousness independent of a soul, etc) simply can't be shoved into Homura's shield. And some of this may be answered (for the purposes of PMAS anyway) by content in the various side works I haven't gotten around to reading yet.

That and other extensions thereof, some probably becoming progressively more trivial.

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Like how this interacts with familiar-born Grief Seeds, and if it's distinct from puella-born Seeds.
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Also this.

The idea of an Empire of Amy-the-cat wasn't meant to be a particularly thought provoking reaction in any capacity. Apparently I need to signal the irrelevance of my idle thoughts better.
 
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Looking back on the Wraith Arc chapters, the reason why Homura is able to go to Ultimate Kriemhild Gretchen is because of the weird combination of two magics. The magic of the shield represented a sort of pathway to timelines, but now that the destinations to where it would normally go to were destroyed/retconned, it became a road without a destination. Her second magic, received after the universe was rewritten, was a representation of her connection to Madoka. These two magics combined in a way where the shield became a pathway to Madoka, who by her very nature of the Law of Cycles, is fated to fight all Witches (Ultimate Kriemhild Gretchen) for all eternity.

The shield became less of a road to a timeline where Ultimate Kriemhild Gretchen was still alive, and more of a road to where the battlefield between the two were. That being said, the manga continuously states that where Kriemhild Gretchen exists is the world "inside" the shield, which makes it seem like it's in her hammerspace more than anything.
 
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Torgamous said:
How does she go to a post-UKG timeline if she needs a body in the target timeline and the universe being destroyed presumably includes her body?
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Because she was already there before. And also, it's a conceptual space where you can see Madokami duke it out with UKG, it's not like there's even a material reality with laws at that point.

JarringToaster said:
Looking back on the Wraith Arc chapters, the reason why Homura is able to go to Ultimate Kriemhild Gretchen is because of the weird combination of two magics. The magic of the shield represented a sort of pathway to timelines, but now that the destinations to where it would normally go to were destroyed/retconned, it became a road without a destination. Her second magic, received after the universe was rewritten, was a representation of her connection to Madoka. These two magics combined in a way where the shield became a pathway to Madoka, who by her very nature of the Law of Cycles, is fated to fight all Witches (Ultimate Kriemhild Gretchen) for all eternity.

The shield became less of a road to a timeline where Ultimate Kriemhild Gretchen was still alive, and more of a road to where the battlefield between the two were. That being said, the manga continuously states that where Kriemhild Gretchen exists is the world "inside" the shield, which makes it seem like it's in her hammerspace more than anything.
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Eh, the shield was always a "road to Madoka", that's its entire point.

And yea, a space that doesn't exist which can only be accessed by one point can be said to exist "inside" that point in one sense, but UKG is still outside the universe, in the destroyed wreckage of the previous order.

It's not in her hammerspace, demonstrably, because the world doesn't go apeshit from her using it in Rebellion. It's specifically in her time machine function.
 
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