Crasian01
Insane Incubator
Maybe? But I would prefer to keep things Cold and Professional. Then again... *glances at my user title*
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Maybe? But I would prefer to keep things Cold and Professional. Then again... *glances at my user title*
Cannongerbil
I came here to nep at you
- Location
- Soviet Lunar Base
In addition to the issues everyone else raise about there being too many moving parts involved, there is also the issue in that we are essentially pulling a massive con on the entire meguca population of Miyagi. Even if everything works out the way you planned, with everyone involved willing to go along with it and the fake battle going off flawlessly, there is no way we will be able to keep fooling everyone. The truth is going to come out eventually, and when it does, it's going to fall apart around us fairly explosively.
Don't get me wrong, it's a good plan, and it would be awesome if we can pull it off, but I just don't have the confidence in us successfully doing so.
Don't get me wrong, it's a good plan, and it would be awesome if we can pull it off, but I just don't have the confidence in us successfully doing so.
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What if it wasn't a con? Go in, crack some skulls, establish Sabrina's MG empire.
I'm only half joking.
I'm only half joking.
Genre shift to romcom/comedy from existential horror? 
The beauty of a grief controller is that we don't even need to crack skulls to do that.
Homura's shown us that being cold and professional just makes everyone quietly hate your guts. Far better to make it clear we're On Their Side If They'll Just Listen Damnit.
The beauty of a grief controller is that we don't even need to crack skulls to do that.
A little voice in my head is giggling insanely at that.
Found her last name: Sabrina Wulfenbach!
However: Found a flaw in my speculation. Going back over the known powers, a healer is actually listed among them. If that's the case, that probably can't be the fundamental resource conflict.
Schwer-Muta
A Shy Arrogance
Are you guys arguing again?
Dude this is Arguing: The Quest.
If Firn changed the name to Puella Magi Arguing Systema, I would not bat an eye
Cannongerbil
I came here to nep at you
- Location
- Soviet Lunar Base
It's PMAS. Arguing over votes is what we do, right after failing at social votes and needless shadow running.Are you guys arguing again?
Muramasa
Best Girl
Are you guys arguing again?
Congratulations Firn for an astoundingly successful quest.
Cannongerbil
I came here to nep at you
- Location
- Soviet Lunar Base
The only known healer right now is Rin, which is part of the Sendai group. There may be other healers mixed in with the various groups participating, but until we confirm that, the basic premise of your speculation still stands.
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However, for one other point:
The only deception would be in how seriously we were pushing that fight.
Basically, if Sendai really is the lynchpin of this war, I would be tickled pink to pull the rug out from under it that way.
I'd just pose a question to you here: How are we continuing to 'fool' everyone after the event? The negotiations are legit, the reparations are legit, the 'come to us about complaints' is legit, sending them on their healing circuit is legit, the grief cleansing is legit, the "they belong to us now" (after phase 3) is legit. All we did is storm in and stomp the "I'm not putting up with this bullshit!" boot. And if push comes to shove, even that is legit. Between Sabrina, Homura, Oriko, Kirika and Mami, I'm not sure there's anyone we couldn't take down.
The only deception would be in how seriously we were pushing that fight.
Basically, if Sendai really is the lynchpin of this war, I would be tickled pink to pull the rug out from under it that way.
Crasian01
Insane Incubator
But what if Sendai isn't? Much of your plan immediately collapses.
Like seriously, don't get me wrong here, that was excellent. You need to be writing Omakes and stuff for this quest because you have a really good grasp of extrapolation of events, and that's one of the single most important things a writer needs. But that works only if you can control all the variables, and here we have a situation where that's never going to happen.
Cannongerbil
I came here to nep at you
- Location
- Soviet Lunar Base
That is true, I suppose, but it still doesn't solve the fundamental problem in that there are too many variables to control and too many points of failure in your plan. Like i said, I'd be great if we can pull it off, but I have absolutely zero confidence in us doing so.
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
- Location
- The Silver City
Yea, me too, the arguing has made me completely lose track of everything.
A legitimate objection.
Consider that at present the situation is Sendai + Fukushima vs Ishinomaki + the University group. This totals 22 girls.
Full collective will be Sendai + Fukushima + Onagawa + Tokyo vs Ishinomaki + University + Osaki + Tome. Probably doubles the total number.
Home team is Ishinomaki; all others are pulled in from elsewhere.
University group is also from Sendai; a splinter group, since Akiko's team is considered the 'main' group.
We might also want to consider the implications of Sakura being used to teleport Akiko in during the Masami affair. Akiko and the other two remaining behind in Sendai as defensive elements? Or it's not really safe for them to travel on foot? Of course, maybe they just don't want to be bothered with such lesser forms of travel.
In any case, the University group followed Sendai to Ishinomaki, and teamed up to take Sendai out while they were outside their home territory. Since Sendai and Ishinomaki are on opposite sides of Mitakihara, the territory grab is clearly the University group's (taking over all of Sendai once the competition is gone), while Ishinomaki doesn't get any new territory out of this. Ishinomaki must be getting something else out of this conflict.
Given that Sendai was there on a healing run, either Ishinomaki doesn't care about losing the healer, or they may be expecting to take Rin as plunder — their own healer, since she'll be pretty helpless once the rest of her team is gone.
Sendai was present for their healing circuit, which means they didn't view Ishinomaki as intrinsically hostile. University group is already present, as the Fukushima group is being pulled in to aid Sakura and Rin, who were pinned down by the University group. Fukushima is thus panic support, and the basic attack originates from Ishinomaki + University.
Now, how could Sabrina's interference in the Masami incident have sped up the conflict? The most obvious change is that Sakura went and fetched Akiko after Sabrina's first run-in with the pair. That takes Akiko out of Sendai. Did the University group take that opportunity to slip out from under the Sendai group's watch, to be waiting for them in Ishinomaki?
So, both of those groups have some grudge against Sendai (not hard to fathom). University wants territory; Ishinomaki (probably) wants the healer; I can't imagine a grief seed payment of less than ridiculous size being enough on its own to get them involved in a war (though it might just be a long-standing hate grudge).
In that case, how will they react to the scenarios?
1) Sendai teleports out on their own. Fukushima should be in a safe, defensible position. Other groups haven't arrived yet. Once other groups arrive, the conflict re-starts.
2) Sendai extraction. Fukushima left in the lurch by their ally suddenly disappearing. Probably put in bad straights. No trace of where Sendai went if we use Time Stop. If Fukushima is vulnerable, University will likely to stay to finish them off, or at least hurt them. Otherwise, if they can't trace Sendai, they may return to the city and simply post claim by virtue of Sendai not being there to contest it, possibly looting Sendai's HQ. Sendai is then in the difficult position of trying to fight their way back into their own home.
If we were responsible for the extraction, there may be the expected obligation for us to help out either Fukushima or getting back into Sendai. If Sendai made their own way out, Fukushima is probably in a defensible position, and waiting reinforcements from allies. Once allies show up, the fighting starts up again.
3) If the University group wants the removal of competition, and Ishinomaki wants their own healer, our stepping in just paints a big red target on our back. On the other hand, with us being able to facilitate near-free healing services, Ishinomaki may back off on the healer. And with us being able to cleanse grief seeds, Sendai doesn't actually need the Sendai territory, and can cede it to the University group. That still feels like a less than ideal outcome, but I'm not sure how to improve on it offhand.
However, by removing the toy everyone was fighting over from play, that pretty much short-circuits the rest of the conflict, as long as we can get it done before any of the other groups arrive. Making sure Fukushima gets out may also be important.
Looking at all the details, I still feel that Sendai is the lynchpin in this war, but the means of resolving it is a bit more subtle and difficult to work through. The arrest deception may not be sufficient.
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Has it been suggested if we could just sit still for now, ask Mami and Homura for intel on the factions involved, *then* make a plan on what do based on what info we obtain within arm's reach?
Crasian01
Insane Incubator
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That is some really fucking detailed analysis. Bro, I don't have an image handy, but feel the urge to photoshop something in appreciation of this. Like, you don't understand, I am really happy right now.
I don't think I'd characterize the Sendai Group a "toy" though. While your analysis implicates SG as some sort of center of the nexus of conflicts, I think we are seeing a much, much more complex conflict than "grudges and trade routes". On the one hand, most authors can't pull that off, but on the other hand Firnagzen is apparently good at this. The full complexities won't really be unraveled until we actually make contact. If the conflict isn't as complex as I think it is, being somewhat more cautious is still preferable this early in the fight, as we don't want to accidentally Domino Effect to Nuclear Catastrophe.
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Yes. It's... like 8 pages back or something? Ultimately I think it moves too slowly, and we need to be up and moving with the info we have, but you can feel free to vote on it, or make an addendum to the current bandwagon.
[x] We aren't killing anyone if we can help it.
[x] Try and convince Mami and Homura.
-[x] ...No. We can't have it in Mitakihara. Let's go to them.
-[x] We can extract the Sendai group out of Ishinomaki. Afterwards we can speak to them about what's really going on.
-[x] ...the alternative is waiting until the war is on our doorstep.
-[x] In addition, we might be able to stop the fighting from escalating if we intervene now. We can try to talk both sides down. This doesn't have to end in a body count.
[x] Try and convince Mami and Homura.
-[x] ...No. We can't have it in Mitakihara. Let's go to them.
-[x] We can extract the Sendai group out of Ishinomaki. Afterwards we can speak to them about what's really going on.
-[x] ...the alternative is waiting until the war is on our doorstep.
-[x] In addition, we might be able to stop the fighting from escalating if we intervene now. We can try to talk both sides down. This doesn't have to end in a body count.
Sightedjt
Everlasting Flames
One things which I think should be mentioned again as a benefit of acting again now rather than waiting and doing things later is that acting now may allow us to be defusing the war before it fully escalates. Hell, some of the groups called in as reinforcements might never show up if we can begin defusing the situation, as the events that would have caused them just never happen.
Say
Sendai girls are having difficulty being extracted
Call in reinforcements to help.
Other group gets wind of it, calls in reinforcements of their own.
Say
Sendai girls are having difficulty being extracted
Call in reinforcements to help.
Other group gets wind of it, calls in reinforcements of their own.