Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I think that's probably biting into the bait.
If we should address the threat at all, maybe reassure Riona there won't be a fight. Cleanse, btw?
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If we should address the threat at all, maybe reassure Riona there won't be a fight. Cleanse, btw?
Some thoughts:
We do not gem or kill her. None of our friends (save Homura and Oriko, probably) would approve of that.
We need to tell her we're close to de-Witching and we should succeed with her help. She has a concept of morals and will appreciate the huge change for good that would bring about.
We shouldn't keep forcing her to give up her shades. With her personality, it will just make her more protective. She most likely blocked off her emotions for the people whose souls she stole and she won't easily accept that it may have been possible to do it with fewer sacrifices. That would make her feel guilty.
Instead, we should work with her as best as we can to create a situation where she such measures are no longer necessary, all the time progressively supporting and befriending her.
Most likely, with us around, she won't need to create a single new shade anyway, same as if we dissuaded her.
We do not gem or kill her. None of our friends (save Homura and Oriko, probably) would approve of that.
We need to tell her we're close to de-Witching and we should succeed with her help. She has a concept of morals and will appreciate the huge change for good that would bring about.
We shouldn't keep forcing her to give up her shades. With her personality, it will just make her more protective. She most likely blocked off her emotions for the people whose souls she stole and she won't easily accept that it may have been possible to do it with fewer sacrifices. That would make her feel guilty.
Instead, we should work with her as best as we can to create a situation where she such measures are no longer necessary, all the time progressively supporting and befriending her.
Most likely, with us around, she won't need to create a single new shade anyway, same as if we dissuaded her.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
A quote for everyone looking at trying to talk Rionna into changing her ways:
She came here fully intent on killing someone to get their cleansing for herself. Not looking to negotiate, not to offer any sort of deal (because you don't pull this shit on someone you're looking to make a trade with), not looking at this as being some way to change things. Independence from hunting for witches has (effectively) already been offered with the implication of giving it to her if she stops this, and she responds with this.
She came here fully intent on killing someone to get their cleansing for herself. Not looking to negotiate, not to offer any sort of deal (because you don't pull this shit on someone you're looking to make a trade with), not looking at this as being some way to change things. Independence from hunting for witches has (effectively) already been offered with the implication of giving it to her if she stops this, and she responds with this.
blast flame
How far will we go if it means lighting the way?
- Location
- Perth, Australia
- Pronouns
- They/Them
...
Wait has Sayaka been unknowingly doing the same thing? Boy I hope not.
kinigget
Best Demon
- Location
- People's Republic of Portland
And she still thinks she can take us
Consider thst she's still alive after however long, and it stops sounding like self-aggrandizement
Do not assume that we can trivialize that fight with Grief control
Yet another reason i didn't want yo antagonize her
Consider thst she's still alive after however long, and it stops sounding like self-aggrandizement
Do not assume that we can trivialize that fight with Grief control
Yet another reason i didn't want yo antagonize her
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
- Location
- Russia
That will be less of an overt threat and more of an open challenge in her eyes, I think.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
An estimate on how many marbles per hour it'd be?
- Location
- Australia
I have a suggestion.
Get Homura to time stop and come over. Get civilians out of the area, fill body control range around Riona's body with explosives. Detonate the moment we exit time stop.
Get Homura to time stop and come over. Get civilians out of the area, fill body control range around Riona's body with explosives. Detonate the moment we exit time stop.
It is helpful at figuring out whether or not she is a remorseless slaver.
Did we read the same post?
We tried ans she said fuck you.
For all we know, Riona did bring a great number of shades to Mitakihara; and actually it's sort of expected. The only thing we know is that Riona claimed she can't contact her shades inside the privacy sphere.
No need to use grief control only. The biggest advantage we have is that most people don't know about Homura's timestop.
For all we know she did.
[] Cleanse. Offer cleansing.
[] We want your help fixing witches
[] If she won't listen then:
-[] There's two ways this is going to end.
--[] Stop on your own and we'll move heaven and earth to help you with what you need.
--[] We make you stop and no one leaves here happy.
redfoxdelta
Now gainfully employed!
- Location
- San Diego, CA
I doubt we could lose the fight if we brought Homura in. Maybe add in a Sayaka and a Kirika in for good measure. Sayaka to try and copy her power (can we do that from time stop?), so we can get the value of hopefully de-witching in the future. Kirika to make sure that she can't bring some bullshit instakill to bear against us. Also, to disable all of the bullshit. Homura to give us our surprise attack opportunity back.
Remember, our friends are almost as broken as we are, if not more so.
Remember, our friends are almost as broken as we are, if not more so.
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
- Location
- Russia
I don't think that's the case. If she wanted to, she'd start the fight already. Baiting us into attacking her in order to acheve higher moral ground? That's doesn't seem like what Riona would do, given her personality.
It was warped by the horribleness of the MG system, but I believe she still wants to do more good than bad. It's just that she (or anyone, except maybe us) can't do much good at all. Shining a dark gray light in a black room, and all that.
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
- Location
- Russia
You totally can get drunk on cider! Been there, done that!
... Admittedly, you'd need more than one flask.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
That's the shell. It doesn't crack open on demand.
kinigget
Best Demon
- Location
- People's Republic of Portland
You think we're the first to try this? She's probably already heard every argument any of us could think of and still decided that her own safety and sense of justice were more important
We also cannot reasonably expect to win a fight with her without an unacceptable level of collateral
Even if, in the end, we can find no way to work with her, I cannot recommend doing anything other than simply letting her go
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
[X]Interesting Contradiction, challenging me to judge all I wanted but then condemning me when I did so.
[X]Trying to provoke me so you can get my power guilt free?
[X]Do you even have people worth protecting with that kind of power?
[X]If my dewitching research bears fruit, I'm concerned this will move Kyubey to direct action against me. Worst case Kyubey's Kardashev T4 and that would be bad. My powers are too important to let fade like that. What would you give to be my insurance policy?
[X]Trying to provoke me so you can get my power guilt free?
[X]Do you even have people worth protecting with that kind of power?
[X]If my dewitching research bears fruit, I'm concerned this will move Kyubey to direct action against me. Worst case Kyubey's Kardashev T4 and that would be bad. My powers are too important to let fade like that. What would you give to be my insurance policy?
- Location
- Colorado
I don't think asking more questions about her shades is going to work, she's made it pretty clear she won't answer those questions, even threatening to attack us if we keep up on those lines. Saying that we need to try to break through her shell is all well and good, but how many people will let a complete stranger do that in a single conversation? This is the kind of personal situation that we would need either metaknowledge, or several weeks of time to get to know her, or both to get through to her.
On the other hand, attacking her with civilians around, especially when we know so little about her abilities is reckless.
If she is going to be blunt, then we need to get blunt.
[] Are you interested in curing witches or not?
-[] If yes, tentatively agree to work together for that one day and adjourn to update your friends on the situation.
-[] If not, 'I think we've talked enough for the day, and I need to confer with the rest of my team anyway. You have permission to remain in Mitakihara until your return flight, but if you reap any souls I will fucking shatter you. Feel free to contact me again if you actually want to do business.'
I know some people are tempted to attack the evil right in front of us, but its a bad strategic decision. If we don't come to an agreement with her, I say we add her to list of post-Walpurgisnatch things we need to take care of next to the Iowa group.
On the other hand, attacking her with civilians around, especially when we know so little about her abilities is reckless.
If she is going to be blunt, then we need to get blunt.
[] Are you interested in curing witches or not?
-[] If yes, tentatively agree to work together for that one day and adjourn to update your friends on the situation.
-[] If not, 'I think we've talked enough for the day, and I need to confer with the rest of my team anyway. You have permission to remain in Mitakihara until your return flight, but if you reap any souls I will fucking shatter you. Feel free to contact me again if you actually want to do business.'
I know some people are tempted to attack the evil right in front of us, but its a bad strategic decision. If we don't come to an agreement with her, I say we add her to list of post-Walpurgisnatch things we need to take care of next to the Iowa group.
Rionna's soul sense might notice if people start vanishing around us, which could warn her enough to defend against an alpha strike, meguca reflexes are bullshit, especially top tier ones.
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
No, in order to have a veneer of decency to her public image to prevent magical girls from teaming up to take her down.
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Kyoko would've done the same if we'd led with "I want you to stop farming familiars."
- Location
- Australia
Time stop trumps reflexes.
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
My read on this is that Sayaka, at worst, copies souls. She doesn't kill people to do it.
And if it turns out that those power gems are aware and sophont, or capable of becoming such, then we can figure out how to deal with them like people when we learn that for certain... or even just when we start getting evidence in favor of that hypothesis.
EDIT: This is sort of why I'm already trying to treat Aurora like a person. It's unlikely she's truly aware yet, but given that she's become the prototype of our dewitching efforts, it's best to start now.
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PhDEevee
Mathematician and Questgiver
- Location
- Sydney
It would surprise me if that hadn't already been tried against her, and the girls who tried ended up as her shades. Given how Rionna talks about making examples, and Nadia's original reaction to her, she's probably widely feared, at least in Western Europe. That's the kind of thing that ultimately leads to people joining up to attack what they're afraid of, at some point or another.