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The problem is the R. As in relativistic speed. As in, at a sufficent fraction of c that you start having significant effects on the passage of time.

A teaspoon of matter going at a decent fraction of c could quite handily sterilise the planet. If you have a high enough A, it isn't going to matter much whether the M is enough to turn japan into a crater (nuclear winter for everyone) or to reduce the earth to gravel, at that point the differences in force are purely academic.

For example, if you use a handful of sand as your RKKV, you essentially have a shotgun where each grain has a Hiroshima tier impact. (At relativistic speed, they travel too fast to burn up in atmo.)

In conclusion: ISAAC NEWTON IS THE DEADLIEST SON OF A BITCH IN SPACE

Edit: Just use conventional kinetic kill vehicles guys, unless you want to go and wage intergalatic war against the Incubators. Then fire away. Toss pluto at them, it's not like it's a planet any more.
 
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Motile Mollusc said:
HOPE - Hilariously Over Powered Explosion
LOVE - Low Orbit ... Vehicle Emitter?
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It's a two part plan. That means it's a delivery system and a weapon. Or in this case, a "solution" and a "thing to get you to minimum safe distance in the shortest span of time possible".

Hilariously Overpowered Explosion and Low Orbit Vehicular Escape.
 
Origmai Clock said:
The problem is the R. As in relativistic speed. As in, at a sufficent fraction of c that you start having significant effects on the passage of time.

A teaspoon of matter going at a decent fraction of c could quite handily sterilise the planet. If you have a high enough A, it isn't going to matter much whether the M is enough to turn japan into a crater (nuclear winter for everyone) or to reduce the earth to gravel, at that point the differences in force are purely academic.

For example, if you use a handful of sand as your RKKV, you essentially have a shotgun where each grain has a Hiroshima tier impact.

In conclusion: ISAAC NEWTON IS THE DEADLIEST SON OF A BITCH IN SPACE
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Sure, but a single electron moving at LHC speeds only has the mass-energy of a freight train impact. You can always scale down further.
 
Targets, people, targets! You want to use an RKKV on the incubator Matrioshka brain that's simulating sextillions of magical girls suffering and dying and witching, hoping to finally break the whole 'karmic bonds' problem and use mass forking of magical girls instead of free range ones. Not on earth.

...actually I kinda want to save all of those simulated girls too.
 
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blast flame said:
Targets, people, targets! You want to use an RKKV on the incubator Matrioshka brain that's simulating sextillions of magical girls suffering and dying and witching, hoping to finally break the whole 'karmic bonds' problem and use mass forking of magical girls instead of free range ones. Not on earth.

...actually I kinda want to save all of those simulated girls too.
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...So that's where the TITANS went. Clearly whatever designed the ETI had watched too much anime as well as too much bad sci-fi.

[In case that wasn't an eclipse phase reference, please ignore me while I go back to fiddling with my draft for PMSS]
 
Origmai Clock said:
...So that's where the TITANS went. Clearly whatever designed the ETI had watched too much anime as well as too much bad sci-fi.

[In case that wasn't an eclipse phase reference, please ignore me while I go back to fiddling with my draft for PMSS]
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I was indeed using the term Fork from eclipse phase. The concept is useful outside of the Eclipse Phase setting proper though. And Forking certainly sounds better than Transhuman Space's term for the same (xoxing).
 
Actually, speaking of c fractional velocities...

Do you think it might be possible for us to get to FTL speeds? Not using wormholes or Warp drives or hyperspace or anything like that. I'm talking In-universe, trans-c velocities. I know, ordinarily that requires infinite energy and then some, but we have magic. "Ordinary" went out the window a long time ago.

Specifically, I'm referring to how we can accelerate our MOF, our grief under our control in general, to significant speeds using little more than force of will, no energy expenditure required.

What if we took the Mobile Oppression Fortress, went out into space, and hit the gas? Would there be any point were we simply couldn't go any faster? What would happen?
 
Shadowhisker said:
Actually, speaking of c fractional velocities...

Do you think it might be possible for us to get to FTL speeds? Not using wormholes or Warp drives or hyperspace or anything like that. I'm talking In-universe, trans-c velocities. I know, ordinarily that requires infinite energy and then some, but we have magic. "Ordinary" went out the window a long time ago.

Specifically, I'm referring to how we can accelerate our MOF, our grief under our control in general, to significant speeds using little more than force of will, no energy expenditure required.

What if we took the Mobile Oppression Fortress, went out into space, and hit the gas? Would there be any point were we simply couldn't go any faster? What would happen?
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Depends, because if we hit anything at that speed, we'll be free molecules before you can say Oort Cloud. If we wait until we're outide of the solar system before trying to go superluminal, we'd probably end up shooting into the (functionally) infinite void, because we'd have no way of knowing where anything else is, or of changing course without blowing ourselves to quarks trying to alter our (again functionally) infinite intertia.
 
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Depends, because if we hit anything at that speed, we'll be free molecules before you can say Oort Cloud. If we wait until we're outide of the solar system before trying to go superluminal, we'd probably end up shooting into the (functionally) infinite void, because we'd have no way of knowing where anything else is, or of changing course without blowing ourselves to quarks trying to alter our (again functionally) infinite intertia.
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So... Superluminal velocities isn't really viable, except as a way to make our RKKVs even more ridiculously lethal?

Meh. I'll take it. Was hoping for some freaky time-warping effects, though.
 
Origmai Clock said:
Depends, the second Culture did get a bit wierd with their whole forced psionic intergration thing. The First one was cool though.
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Are you confusing the culture with the foundation?

Edit: Also, yes - I take being called a culture agent as a huge complement. :V
 
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I think we should work our way up to superluminal velocities by working on something less dangerous, like spontaneous antimatter formation, zero-point energy, and quasar lasers.

Blowing ourselves into quarks would be the least of our problems, considering superluminal would require us to either have infinity plus one energy, or negative mass. Both of which would probably be... incondusive to maintaining a coherent mind, body, or sool gum.
 
Karnewarrior said:
I think we should work our way up to superluminal velocities by working on something less dangerous, like spontaneous antimatter formation, zero-point energy, and quasar lasers.

Blowing ourselves into quarks would be the least of our problems, considering superluminal would require us to either have infinity plus one energy, or negative mass. Both of which would probably be... incondusive to maintaining a coherent mind, body, or sool gum.
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But lasers are coherent beams of light, while quasars are active galactic nuclei! :V
 
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Even with super eyesight, she presumably couldn't see any further than the horizon on account of the Earth being in the way.
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(Alternatively, here.)
SaltyWaffles said:
Seriously, Firn, why did Sabrina suggest someone stay to defend the city? Wasn't she supposed to ask Homura for timestop for the journey?
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The winning vote was:
[x] Wake Homura and Sayaka and inform them Asunaro's in crisis. You'd like to work out a plan with them and Mami using Homura's power.
-[x] Ask Homura to pick up Sayaka and come over.
[x] Keep things calm and head to the roof while waiting for timestop.
[x] In Timestop: Go over the Asunaro situation. Rehash Oriko/metaknowledge as needed to fill Sayaka in and refresh memories. Hypothesize potential enemy actors.
-[x] In addition to not leaving Mami's friends in a crisis, you can't let the precedent of people stealing Clear Seeds and getting away develop.
[x] Who's coming, who's staying on Mitakihara overwatch?
-[x] You'd like at least one anti-mind control trump card to come along, be that Homura's timestop, or access to antimagic. Sayaka can copy it from Kirika.
[x] Don't be pushy, accept others insights and opinions, and respect both Sayaka's desire to contribute and Homura's wishes.
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So... no?
 
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Shadowhisker said:
But lasers are coherent beams of light, while quasars are active galactic nuclei! :V
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Quasars, to my understanding and google-fu, are black holes known for firing out FUCKHUGE JETS OF MASSIVE RADIATION, which is basically light. Except it goes through things. Or in the case of the Quasar Laser, utterly obliterates them through the sheer mass of gamma radiation being emitted.

Even better, we can make the inside of the grief container actually reflect the gamma rays, and possibly make another internal shell to do the same but one-way and put that over the quasar, so that the energy emitted (something like an yottawatt, it was in the fic somewhere back in the thread) is contained, meaning when we open up the container, the escaping energy is all the energy emitted by the quasar over the entire period we had it contained! Also doubles as a convienient "Don't kill us or you'll regret it" bomb for Kyuubey. Talk about MAD!
 
Wait, I thought the FUCKHUGE JETS contained extremely excited gases in addition to MASSIVE RADIATION. (Although at that point, I doubt there would be much of a difference, just slightly larger particles.)

And on the subject of MAD, I believe vacuum metastability events were mentioned a hundred or so pages back? I shouldn't need to elaborate, but that is basically as good as it gets when it comes to universal scale destruction.

Theoretically, we could also use witchy grief to generate a gravity field so strong it overcomes universal expansion, causing the Big Crunch.
 
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Karnewarrior said:
Quasars, to my understanding and google-fu, are black holes known for firing out FUCKHUGE JETS OF MASSIVE RADIATION, which is basically light. Except it goes through things. Or in the case of the Quasar Laser, utterly obliterates them through the sheer mass of gamma radiation being emitted.

Even better, we can make the inside of the grief container actually reflect the gamma rays, and possibly make another internal shell to do the same but one-way and put that over the quasar, so that the energy emitted (something like an yottawatt, it was in the fic somewhere back in the thread) is contained, meaning when we open up the container, the escaping energy is all the energy emitted by the quasar over the entire period we had it contained! Also doubles as a convienient "Don't kill us or you'll regret it" bomb for Kyuubey. Talk about MAD!
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To get a quasar, you need to smash a pair of binary neutron stars together to make the black hole equivalent of a blender without a lid on. To get a quasar capable of putting out any decent quantity of radiation, the gravity from the sheer mass involved in your derranged experiement would collapse the planet.

Also, it would mean we would need to have 2 small neutron stars worth of grief. Unless you are suggesting deliberately torturing meguca so we can farm the grief off of them, and doing that on a society-wide level for a few millenia, just to provide the feedstock, we can't do it.

So in summation. We can't do it, we shouldn't do it, and if we do, we'd destroy the world, and have already have basically become Meguca MegaHiterStalin and have reigned as god-empress for several thousand years.

Do I have to get out the squirtgun again, or will SV finally get the message that high-energy particle/astrophysics is not a productive, or indeed sane, path of inquiry. When you start to make Homulily look sane and reasonable by comparison, and you haven't even Witched out, that is the time to stop.
 
Origmai Clock said:
To get a quasar, you need to smash a pair of binary neutron stars together to make the black hole equivalent of a blender without a lid on. To get a quasar capable of putting out any decent quantity of radiation, the gravity from the sheer mass involved in your derranged experiement would collapse the planet.

Also, it would mean we would need to have 2 small neutron stars worth of grief. Unless you are suggesting deliberately torturing meguca so we can farm the grief off of them, and doing that on a society-wide level for a few millenia, just to provide the feedstock, we can't do it.

So in summation. We can't do it, we shouldn't do it, and if we do, we'd destroy the world, and have already have basically become Meguca MegaHiterStalin and have reigned as god-empress for several thousand years.

Do I have to get out the squirtgun again, or will SV finally get the message that high-energy particle/astrophysics is not a productive, or indeed sane, path of inquiry. When you start to make Homulily look sane and reasonable by comparison, and you haven't even Witched out, that is the time to stop.
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I wrote the fic suggesting we never make the Quasar Laser, remember?

We couldn't ever fire it because it would, at the least, destroy our sector of the galaxy, which inconveniently includes both Earth and Mami, both of which we would, I assume, prefer to be out of the way of yottawatts of radiation.

Building it would also be a bit of a hassle.
 
Obviously we would never use it in the same galactic arm, at least. Accidentally-ing Earth, humanity, and Mami is not on my to-do list.

As for making one, I don't think we need two neutron stars worth of Grief, when we can just go out and find a pair of actual neutron stars. Also, to get even close to controlling that amount of mass/high energy, we would need a much larger control range; something at the point where we could just fly by populated planets and drain their grief en mass, no torture required.

Of course we would never actually do this, outside of intergalactic warfare. But hey! I'm a high science enthusiast. High-energy particle/astrophysics is what I do.
 
Karnewarrior said:
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I wrote the fic suggesting we never make the Quasar Laser, remember?

We couldn't ever fire it because it would, at the least, destroy our sector of the galaxy, which inconveniently includes both Earth and Mami, both of which we would, I assume, prefer to be out of the way of yottawatts of radiation.

Building it would also be a bit of a hassle.
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Never heard of that fic, sorry. I got the joke though, just that my sense of humor has two settings, sarcasm and deadpan overreaction. Could be worse, I suppose, frankly given I'm english, middle class and privately educated, it's a wonder I have any sense of humor at all.
 
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