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To be honest, everything we actually know of this thief is that she knocked Niko unconscious without hurting her, and stole something most magical girls would kill for.

So we can hope she's not actually crazy.



[ ] Contact Homura and Sayaka, wake them up and inform them Asunaro is in a crisis. You'd like to work out a plan with them and Mami using Homura's power.
-[ ] Ask Homura if she could please pick up Sayaka and come over.

[ ] Once in Timestop: Go over the situation in Asunaro as you understand it. Rehash metaknowledge and Oriko's foresight as needed to fill Sayaka in and refresh memories.
-[ ] You need to deal with this thouroughly. In addition to not leaving Mami's friends in a crisis, you can't let the precedent of people stealing Clear Seeds and getting away with it develop if you want to improve things for everyone.

[ ] Who's coming, who's staying to hold the fort?
-[ ] If Hijiri is behind this, you'd like at least one anti-mind control trump card to come along, be that Homura's timestop, or access to antimagic. Sayaka can copy it from Kirika.

[ ] Don't be too pushy, accept insights and opinions from the others, and respect both Sayaka's desire to contribute and Homura's wishes.

Dunno what the word count is, but the general idea of a timestop war council spanning the whole next update is probably the best move.
[ ] Start moving towards the roof for take off.

[ ] Telepathically wake up everyone (Sayaka, Homura, Madoka, Hitomi, Oriko, Kirika).
-[ ] Briefly explain the emergency.
-[ ] You'll be asking for meguca volunteers.

[ ] Telepathy Homura: Ask her to use her power, pick up Sayaka and come over.
-[ ] Explain everything to them and Mami, in timestop.
-[ ] Ask to take either Homura or Kirika along, to counter the possible crazies you might have to fight.
--[ ] Alternatively... Sayaka with Kirika's power?

[ ] Once timestop's done, confer with the pleiades while moving.
-[ ] Ask about their tracking measures.
-[ ] Ask that they stick together and wait for reinforcements.
-[ ] Ask Umika if her powers would help finding out exactly what happened?


[ ] Take off.
Tentatively actually considering Sayaka with Kirika's power, though that's likely to piss her off. Maybe if phrased as a last resort...?

Also, we should make sure to interact with the Pleiades, if nothing else, to look like we're doing something.
 
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Or Kyubey, who really wants to study a clear seed and has the knowledge to knock out a distracted Magical Girl without them noticing.
That would be a massive break with character, though. Crazy meguca being crazy is expected, the terrifying engine of remorseless alien logic in cute cat form suddenly deciding to become an actual active threat, rather than just waiting around till one of the groups that have a clear seed inevitably fall apart because of magical girl drama and dig it out of the rubble seems a bit of a strech. Particularly when it's happening in an area where we know that there is a crazy meguca with a thing for all things shiny and soul related lingering around.
 
.... I'm sorry if I derail the thread, especially in the middle of a discussion, but I'm very shocked right now.
Currently I'm up to page 1300-ish, Feb 2015. 2 and a half years ago. I just see another "Go to Asunaro" being shouted down.
EVEN NOW WE HAVEN'T SOLVED ASUNARO PROBLEM YET?
...Wow.
Another reason to catching up.
*Go back to page 1300*
*Continue marathoning*
 
"Magical Nuke" doesn't necessarily have to be all at once; the important part is that it conveys similar strategic capabilities: Obliterate entire cities or strategic force concentrations, massively larger potential for offense than defense leading to game theoretic scenarios where everyone loses, capable of geopolitical destabilization. Like, Redshirt is shitposting, I'm totally serious - we need to treat this the way we would if a nuke went missing. We're incredibly lucky, if I'm correct in my understanding, that Hijiri will be focused on the Pleiades more than on being generally crazy. A magical girl like Mami or Sayaka with infinite magic and a grudge could wipe Asunaro off the face of the earth in minutes.

I like Redshirt's vote. Council of war, reinforce that we're responding to this with maximum power for multiple reasons, make sure everyone is up to speed. Cover home, specifically pay attention to people's issues, make sure to take countermeasures.
 
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Tentatively actually considering Sayaka with Kirika's power, though that's likely to piss her off. Maybe if phrased as a last resort...?
Use the flight to make a Magneto helmet, have Kazumi and Sayaka with Kazumi's power copy it. Antimagic is all well and good but it's not great against alpha strikes.
.... I'm sorry if I derail the thread, especially in the middle of a discussion, but I'm very shocked right now.
Currently I'm up to page 1300-ish, Feb 2015. 2 and a half years ago. I just see another "Go to Asunaro" being shouted down.
EVEN NOW WE HAVEN'T SOLVED ASUNARO PROBLEM YET?
...Wow.
Another reason to catching up.
*Go back to page 1300*
*Continue marathoning*
We're working on it.
 
That's one way we can convince Homura to use her time stop. "A loose clear seed is worse than a loose nuke."
 
Oh, something else that was brought up at some point.

[ ] Start moving towards the roof for take off.

[ ] Telepathically wake up everyone (Sayaka, Homura, Madoka, Hitomi, Oriko, Kirika).
-[ ] Briefly explain the emergency.
-[ ] You'll be asking for meguca volunteers.

[ ] Telepathy Homura: Ask her to use her power, pick up Sayaka and come over.
-[ ] Explain everything to them and Mami, in timestop.
-[ ] Ask to take either Homura or Kirika along, to counter the possible crazies you might have to fight.
--[ ] Alternatively... Sayaka with Kirika's power?
-[ ] Before ending timestop, ask for time to make a Privacy Device. Have Sayaka copy it.

[ ] Once timestop's done:
[ ] Give the Privacy Device to Kazumi to copy. Get rid of Privacy Device afterwards.
[ ] Confer with the pleiades while moving:
-[ ] Ask about their tracking measures.
-[ ] Ask that they stick together and wait for reinforcements.
-[ ] Ask Umika if her powers would help finding out exactly what happened?

[ ] Take off.
 
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That's the problem. Sabrina can't contain all clear seeds incidents on her own and doing so continue's to strain our ever increasingly valuable time. And we can't continue to impose on Homura. Girls are going to get their hands on magical nukes with us little to no way to actually respond to it.

So what exactly is the plan for dealing with the clear seed thief, assuming we find her?
 
Another thing.

If we have Homu and Sayaka come over in timestop to explain all the meta things, what do we do afterwards?

Let them pop out of thin air in front of the Pleiades? Have them wait on the roof?

I mean, it's probably not worth a vote line...

That's the problem. Sabrina can't contain all clear seeds incidents on her own and doing so continue's to strain our ever increasingly valuable time. And we can't continue to impose on Homura. Girls are going to get their hands on magical nukes with us little to no way to actually respond to it.

So what exactly is the plan for dealing with the clear seed thief, assuming we find her?
For the first part, the Empty Seed thievery should be dampered more by Nadia spreading out the word that the things are free, than by us trying to police everything, all the time.

Kicking thieves' asses should serve more as an example than anything else. It should discourage some future would be thieves; specially once word is out that they can just ask.

I'll say rehashing everything we know about Asunaro will have an effect on Homura; put pressure on her to either come with us, or let us take Kirika. I agree that we shouldn't impose on Homura, so I'm somewhat iffy about holding a timestop council at all, actually.

Like, alternative? Just ask for volunteers, pick up whoever wants to go, and go. I might just vote for that because I'm sure there's plenty of support for the timestop plan.

... About the thief, I guess the plan is to find her, have her return the Seed, and give her a new Seed if she promises to be good? There's not much else to do. We might have to fight her, but if we can talk things out, that'd be optimal.

We did want to have a talk with Hijiri.
 
We're gonna owe the Pleiades an apology, too.

If nothing else, because we kickstarted, if not outright created this situation.

We gave them something many magical girls would kill for, then took away half their firepower on vacation.

I know it might sound exaggerated, but I think it's worth mentioning.

.

Also, if this thing takes long, we'll need to bring up school. Both about Mami and Sayaka. I don't see us leaving Asunaro until the whole mess is sorted out, so maybe we can call Sakura and ask for a teleport, later.

[ ] Start moving towards the roof for take off.

[ ] Telepathically wake up everyone (Sayaka, Homura, Madoka, Hitomi, Oriko, Kirika).
-[ ] Briefly explain the emergency.
-[ ] You'll be asking for meguca volunteers.

[ ] Telepathy Homura: Ask her to use her power, pick up Sayaka and come over.
-[ ] Explain everything to them and Mami, in timestop.
-[ ] Ask to take either Homura or Kirika along, to counter the possible crazies you might have to fight.
--[ ] Alternatively... Sayaka with Kirika's power?
-[ ] Bring up the issue of school. If necessary, we can ask Tachibana Sakura for a teleport back for Mami and Sayaka?
-[ ] Before ending timestop, ask for time to make a Privacy Device. Have Sayaka copy it.

[ ] Once timestop's done:
[ ] Give the Privacy Device to Kazumi to copy. Get rid of Privacy Device afterwards.
[ ] Confer with the pleiades while moving:
-[ ] Ask about their tracking measures.
-[ ] Ask that they stick together and wait for reinforcements.
-[ ] Ask Umika if her powers would help finding out exactly what happened?

[ ] Take off.
 
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.... I'm sorry if I derail the thread, especially in the middle of a discussion, but I'm very shocked right now.
Currently I'm up to page 1300-ish, Feb 2015. 2 and a half years ago. I just see another "Go to Asunaro" being shouted down.
EVEN NOW WE HAVEN'T SOLVED ASUNARO PROBLEM YET?
...Wow.
Another reason to catching up.
*Go back to page 1300*
*Continue marathoning*
Ye poor bastard. Good luck mate
 
People are kind of arguing at cross-purposes here.

If clear seeds are nukes, too dangerous to be allowed loose in the world, Sabrina needs to stop handing them out to every magical girl that asks for one. Like, seriously, as things stand a villainous magical girl could just walk up with a grief seed and politely request that it be cleared out, and Sabrina would do it. That's exactly what she's been encouraging people to do, and saying she wanted to do. If untrusted magical girls having all the magic they need is a problem, it's time for Sabrina to stop digging the hole deeper.

The real issue isn't "unknown magical girl possesses a clear seed", it's "unknown person attacked Niko".
 
Having near-infinite magic at your beck and call due to having a Clear Seed? I'd call that a nuke.
The funny thing is, 99% probability that when all is said and done and we're done breaking down doors like New Meguca ESWAT tank police section 9, we're probably going to offer the thieves a clear seed of their own.
 
People are kind of arguing at cross-purposes here.

If clear seeds are nukes, too dangerous to be allowed loose in the world, Sabrina needs to stop handing them out to every magical girl that asks for one. Like, seriously, as things stand a villainous magical girl could just walk up with a grief seed and politely request that it be cleared out, and Sabrina would do it. That's exactly what she's been encouraging people to do, and saying she wanted to do. If untrusted magical girls having all the magic they need is a problem, it's time for Sabrina to stop digging the hole deeper.

The real issue isn't "unknown magical girl possesses a clear seed", it's "unknown person attacked Niko".
It's the crazies we need to deal with; yes, not because of the Clear Seed, but because they're crazy and we'd want to deal with them anyway.

Everyone having a Clear Seed is better than not.
 
Ooh, the Grief Seed shortage thay're having in Asunaro is because Hijiri is hunting Witches too, isn't it? So she's probably just as short on cleansing as the Asunarians we know about.
... About the thief, I guess the plan is to find her, have her return the Seed, and give her a new Seed if she promises to be good? There's not much else to do. We might have to fight her, but if we can talk things out, that'd be optimal.
I mean, if it's Hijiri we're going to have to therapyize her so she's not a crazy evil clone any more, but yes, take the clear seed back, lecture her, make her promise to be good, and then make a new clear seed for her and give her that clear seed.

People are kind of arguing at cross-purposes here.

If clear seeds are nukes, too dangerous to be allowed loose in the world, Sabrina needs to stop handing them out to every magical girl that asks for one. Like, seriously, as things stand a villainous magical girl could just walk up with a grief seed and politely request that it be cleared out, and Sabrina would do it. That's exactly what she's been encouraging people to do, and saying she wanted to do. If untrusted magical girls having all the magic they need is a problem, it's time for Sabrina to stop digging the hole deeper.

The real issue isn't "unknown magical girl possesses a clear seed", it's "unknown person attacked Niko".
Part of the issue is that they're not just nuclear weapons, they're also nuclear reactors, in a world with constant rolling brownouts and if you run out of battery on your cell phone you die, and where the overwhelming majority of the conflict comes from people fighting over the limited electricity. Making sure that everyone has a clear seed will remove most of the motivation to use them for evil. The rest are the people like Hijiri that're just out to be evil anyway, and we'd need to stomp on all of those people anyway.
 
I'll vote for the vote that stops time as soon as we find the damn seed, then hatches it right in the thief's hands.

A little extreme, but I'm pretty salty.
 
We have established that force-hatching is an idea that makes Sabrina (amongst others) almost physically sick to comprehend, right? I'm sure that we can just settle for some nice clean ultraviolence without becoming the Magical Girl version of Doctor Mengele.
 
We might want to ask Masami and Hiroko along.

IIRC one of them has a technique that helps with tracking.
 
Ooh, the Grief Seed shortage thay're having in Asunaro is because Hijiri is hunting Witches too, isn't it? So she's probably just as short on cleansing as the Asunarians we know about.

I mean, if it's Hijiri we're going to have to therapyize her so she's not a crazy evil clone any more, but yes, take the clear seed back, lecture her, make her promise to be good, and then make a new clear seed for her and give her that clear seed.


Part of the issue is that they're not just nuclear weapons, they're also nuclear reactors, in a world with constant rolling brownouts and if you run out of battery on your cell phone you die, and where the overwhelming majority of the conflict comes from people fighting over the limited electricity. Making sure that everyone has a clear seed will remove most of the motivation to use them for evil. The rest are the people like Hijiri that're just out to be evil anyway, and we'd need to stomp on all of those people anyway.
they dont die, they get turned into horrible monsters that live on killing people.
 
she's already skipped school today
Yesterday, I do believe.
they dont die, they get turned into horrible monsters that live on killing people.
Worse, those horrible monsters are normally the only known source of electricity.
We have established that force-hatching is an idea that makes Sabrina (amongst others) almost physically sick to comprehend, right? I'm sure that we can just settle for some nice clean ultraviolence without becoming the Magical Girl version of Doctor Mengele.
It's forcing meguca to Witch that causes the whole "Sabrina cancels job: Horrified", IIRC.
 
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So what exactly is the plan for dealing with the clear seed thief, assuming we find her?
Capture, possibly de-gem. After that, it's going to depend on who it is. If it's Hijiri, she's going to need to a hell of a lot of therapy until she stops being a danger to herself and others, and we might need to keep her on ice until that's possible.

If we have Homu and Sayaka come over in timestop to explain all the meta things, what do we do afterwards?

Let them pop out of thin air in front of the Pleiades? Have them wait on the roof?
That's kind of up to Homura.

Part of the issue is that they're not just nuclear weapons, they're also nuclear reactors,
A metaphor that I was going to propose is that they're like nuclear material. In the right hands, they can be used to make reactors that improve people's lives. In the wrong hands, to make dirty bombs that bring untold death and destruction.

they dont die, they get turned into horrible monsters that live on killing people.
Most of them don't know that.
 
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