Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
That's the idea.
It's just that it's such a horribly difficult task that, if it's even possible, it would take a lot of time, effort, and cooperation with other meguca.
What we are hoping for is to get some de-Witching research done, enough that if Mami gets Witchbombed somehow, we can show her it's not irrversible, that she hasn't been turning girls into Witches and then killing them while being led by the nose by Kyuubey, but that there's hope to save the girls.
Muramasa
Best Girl
If we can ever find time for it. Or actually bother Homu for a time stop enchant session.
We should get on that and stop procrastinating.
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
And get Aurora back from O&K and actually check what's up with her.
Stop procrastinating sounds good.
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You know, this has probably come up before, but after what happened in As N Approaches Infinity, I'm not sure if I'm more worried that it isn't possible or that it is...
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
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It has not, but having just looked up spoilers on TVTropes, while it sounds depressing as hell for the reader it still doesn't compare to being stuck as a Witch.
Subrosian_Smithy
endless
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- Washington
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- She/Her/Hers
You mean how Karin killed herself after she was de-Witched?
If that's a concern we need to worry about, we "just" need to try to figure out how to bring people back from the dead.
If that's a concern we need to worry about, we "just" need to try to figure out how to bring people back from the dead.
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Exactly that.
Or, for all we know, it could be even worse and we get back a girl so warped that she gets along well with Ayase, basically a human witch with no value but to be put down.
Or, for all we know, it could be even worse and we get back a girl so warped that she gets along well with Ayase, basically a human witch with no value but to be put down.
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
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None of the scenarios you're proposing are worse than them being a witch. The absolute worst case scenario seems to be that nothing improves.
Hello! I am new here. I have read all of the "story only" thread but only the last few pages of this thread.
I have questions!
(1) What is the difference between [X] and [Q]?
(2) What is 'metabomb' versus 'witchbomb'?
(3) We seem to think Sayaka is an angel. Why do we think that? I don't think either Madoka or Sayaka has the guile to conceal a secret of that magnitude. In fact I think either of them would view it as a betrayal to keep something like that a secret.
(4) What is the Feathers threat? Seems like it basically has to be Kyuubey, no?
(5) A few days ago, Mami suddenly went critically unstable while at school, with no new input on our part. What happened there?
(a) Was it somehow connected to our Barrier experiment? One theory might be that, when we created her apartment in our Barrier, we used a piece of her mind to do it somehow. Another theory might be that we released something when we opened that portal.
(b) Did Mami fail a random Sanity check? (Is the author still making random rolls behind the scenes? The first few chapters alluded to those...)
(c) Did someone say something to her at school while we weren't looking?
I have questions!
(1) What is the difference between [X] and [Q]?
(2) What is 'metabomb' versus 'witchbomb'?
(3) We seem to think Sayaka is an angel. Why do we think that? I don't think either Madoka or Sayaka has the guile to conceal a secret of that magnitude. In fact I think either of them would view it as a betrayal to keep something like that a secret.
(4) What is the Feathers threat? Seems like it basically has to be Kyuubey, no?
(5) A few days ago, Mami suddenly went critically unstable while at school, with no new input on our part. What happened there?
(a) Was it somehow connected to our Barrier experiment? One theory might be that, when we created her apartment in our Barrier, we used a piece of her mind to do it somehow. Another theory might be that we released something when we opened that portal.
(b) Did Mami fail a random Sanity check? (Is the author still making random rolls behind the scenes? The first few chapters alluded to those...)
(c) Did someone say something to her at school while we weren't looking?
Script Mak3r
(Verified Sun God) (Verified Feathers)
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Of course, the PMKM cast managed to get a safe, sane, and stable person out of a Witch. Only problem with it that we need to fix is the brain damage amnesia and the insanity that amnesia prevents.
Can't answer 3 or 5, but...
[Q] isn't meant to be a real vote, only [X] is counted.
Metabomb refers to Sabrina telling other people she knows things about them and might be created by a wish. Witch bomb refers to telling people where witches come from.
What makes you say that? Kyubey has no ability to fuck with Oriko's precog.
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
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- Somewhere Offscreen
(1) A line with [X] is an actual vote that gets tallied by the tally program, it actually counts. Putting anything else in the brackets doesn't count, and [Q] is a common choice for joke votes.
(2) The metabomb is revelations of the fact that we have inexplicable out-of-character knowledge of the PMMM setting and characters. The witchbomb is revelation of the fact that magical girls become witches.
(3) Some people think that, but there isn't any real evidence for it.
(4) We have no idea.
(5) It seems like the pressure of trying to stay strong and not be so clingy and insecure wore her down and she wasn't able to keep it up anymore. If there was an outside influence involved, we don't know about it.
-- I mean, if we're serious about world optimization, at some point we need to stop people from turning into witches, globally.
The main plot of the story seems to be 'system breaking' and I'm guessing that refers to Kyuubey's system.
I'm guessing Kyuubey and its mysterious alien civilization wouldn't like that.
So far, Kyuubey has actively refused to attack anyone, so we don't really know anything about its powers.
My pet theory has been that its true form is a great big bird-creature with big black feathers.
I don't have support for that, though.
I suppose another possibility for the Feathers threat is that it's something that gets released when we unwisely open a Barrier portal to another plane.
But we swore off making Barriers, and it shouldn't be that easy to avoid the threat.
(Also, it would be a little bit sad if the Feathers threat turns out to be directly caused by our actions. Weren't we supposed to be a force for good?)
But it sounds like there's no current consensus. : )
The main plot of the story seems to be 'system breaking' and I'm guessing that refers to Kyuubey's system.
I'm guessing Kyuubey and its mysterious alien civilization wouldn't like that.
So far, Kyuubey has actively refused to attack anyone, so we don't really know anything about its powers.
My pet theory has been that its true form is a great big bird-creature with big black feathers.
I don't have support for that, though.
I suppose another possibility for the Feathers threat is that it's something that gets released when we unwisely open a Barrier portal to another plane.
But we swore off making Barriers, and it shouldn't be that easy to avoid the threat.
(Also, it would be a little bit sad if the Feathers threat turns out to be directly caused by our actions. Weren't we supposed to be a force for good?)
But it sounds like there's no current consensus. : )
Okay, next question: why aren't we asking Kyuubey more questions?
It apparently has a policy of never lying, so we should be pumping it for all it's worth.
If we're worried about it being an eventual villain (and I certainly am), we should be really careful about feeding it information in return, but there's still a lot we can ask.
It apparently has a policy of never lying, so we should be pumping it for all it's worth.
If we're worried about it being an eventual villain (and I certainly am), we should be really careful about feeding it information in return, but there's still a lot we can ask.
- What do you know about me? What do you think of me?
- You've told me that people keep making errors when contracting with you because they "don't ask the right questions". Are there any questions I should be asking you?
- What do you think I would do differently if I knew everything you know?
- Are there any more Really Bad Secrets, like the one about us turning into witches, that I haven't discovered yet? No, no, please don't tell me what they are right now -- this is the sort of thing one has to brace for.
- Are there any hidden drawbacks to Clear Seeds?
- Do Clear Seeds have the ability to become the original magical girl again? If so, how?
- Do Clear Seeds reduce your (Kyuubey's) Grief intake, and if so, how do you feel about that?
- Generally, how do Soul Gems and Grief Seeds work? What is their nature? How can we manipulate them?
- A few days ago I tried making a Barrier, and a whole bunch of bad stuff happened immediately after. Is there a connection? How does me-making-Barriers work? No, I won't demonstrate any more Barriers.
- Do you know of any dire threats that will happen in this general timeframe? (Does Kyuubey know what Oriko has said about the Feathers threat? If so, we can be a little more specific here.)
- I'm trying to stop magical-girl conflict; is that okay? If I increase the total population of magical girls, that should increase ambient grief generation; you like that, right?
- What can you tell me about all these Grief spheres? If I let them out of my range and lose control and they evaporate, is that harmless, or is it really bad?
- What can you tell me about your people and your culture? I assume this isn't your real body that I'm talking to. I'm just curious, mostly, but -- uh, do your people have long black feathers by any chance?
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We don't know that. Who's to say a witch is dissatisfied with being a witch more than a magical girl who was formerly a witch is with remembering what it is to be a witch?
I agree the alternatives are likely better, but I don't know why you'd be willing to assert it must be so. Better for her, at any rate. I feel like we'd probably have an instant witchout or have Homerun go to bat on our gem if we tried to revive Mami and got Candeloro instead.
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
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By all indications, witches are basically non-stop misery generators who spend their entire existence wallowing in despair and cursing the world. I doubt they find it very satisfying.
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
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They are literally made of despair.
Madou Sutegobana
Autocorrupt has been disabled.
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While I too believe that Kyuubey's form isn't his true looks, I think that were he avian he'd have chosen to look like a bird mascot.
Dantalion
Insight: 366
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- Any
Mainly, because most of us are hyperparanoid about the Incubator. I'll grant that it's not entirely unwarranted, but any means of actual progression on Adfligo-ing the Systema is going to require some interaction beyond 'Have some Grief, hate you, kthxbai.'
As to the questions... while it has yet to be observed to state something untrue to the best of its knowledge, it remains capable of refusing to answer or giving dangerously incomplete answers. And what one asks can indicate a fair bit about what they're thinking.
It also lacks knowledge of Clear Seeds beyond the theoretical and what it's observed with us - we are the first to have Grief Control, if I recall correctly. Heck, they may not have access to Grief in a non-Seed form outside of what we're giving them - we still don't really know how they're turning Seeds into Energy.
Knowledge of threats in the general timeframe is likely to be limited to Walpurgisnacht, given that the Incubators aren't looping (and thank Madokami for that) - they're only going to know about things in the same manner we know about hurricanes.
Asking about our Barrier is going to get theory at best, as again, a pre-Witch making a Witch Barrier is new. Yes, bad stuff happens when a Barrier forms - a Witch starts preying on those around it, but it's a chicken-and-egg problem. Is the bad stuff because of the Barrier, or because of the Witch making the Barrier?
Reducing conflict may be a net positive for the Incubators in other circumstances - every girl that doesn't get their gem broken is one that can Witch, and more meguca getting along means less Seeds to go around, leading to resource issues. Of course, we're alleviating those too, so likely not as useful as it could be. Ambient Grief at the expense of Seed quantity is a poor trade at the moment.
UbeOne
Daydreaming CPU
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- Philippines
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- She/Her
*is sniped by Homura*
Jonen C
F.M.D.G.
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- Lincopense, Ostrogothia, Suecia
So I figuree out how we check of Sayaka is more than she appears. We take her to KFC and give her one chicken wing, and listen for a BGM switch.
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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Well, we've already got a Yakumo Yukari expy with portals. There's probably a meguca out there with "transformation powerups" powers, too, due to a wish.
Incidentally, Sabrina can actually pull this trope off herself, to a degree.
First form: base form. Uses some Grief manipulation.
Second form: big Grief wings, the Grief ring around her waist, and Grief armor. More Grief manipulation.
Third form: Kaiju mode, with an 80-meter tall giant mecha made out of Grief. MECHA GURREN ZILLA LAGGAN, in other words.
Fourth form: Walpurgisnacht, or an expy thereof. Warning: life warranty is voided by assuming this form, due to a probable triggering of Murderface.