What interpretations are there for "No identity to uncover" other than being a wish construct?
How many parents do you think would appreciate being told, essentially, "if you hadn't already figured out your kid was in trouble I'd keep hiding it from you"?
She started being suspicious when Sayaka contracted. No.
Calm down dude. I want her to say "When I say 'magical girls', I literally mean 'girls with magical powers'." Bam, done. I refer you back to literally every time I've pointed out that no-one aware of a pervasive masquerade could seriously be angry with someone taking literally a few seconds to confirm a misunderstanding isn't about to break it. We can have a frank and open discussion of the topic immediately after - why are you assuming she'll blow her top like a cartoon character?
Isn't that kind of redundant?
Chill. Your hostility is not doing your argument any favors.
That's not what some people are arguing. They seem to believe that someone not immediately admitting their most closely held secret the moment that someone implies that they know about it would greatly offend Mrs. Shizuki, rather than being an entirely normal and expected response from someone who has been habitually keeping said secret for an indeterminate amount of time.
How many parents would expect their kid's friends to tell them their kid's secrets? And again, a degree of confusion and reluctance is to be expected when you confront someone about a secret. Their first instinct is not going to be to tell you. That's what "secret" means.
That would be rather hypocritical of her. She almost certainly never told her own parents of the parents of the magical girls she knew.
"Aware of" and "approve of" are two very different things.
Likewise, "expect" and "want" are two different things. Every parent would want that. And this isn't an innocent secret like who she has a crush on, this is much more analogous to real life gang membership.
"I don't approve of this masquerade, and not only think it's totally reasonable that someone who's aware of it and abiding by it should immediately drop it at the earliest opportunity, but consider it unreasonable for someone not to do so" - Is this your argument for her position, or am I misunderstanding something? Because if it is, then I would once again point out that she's not an idiot.
At the same time, you can't expect adults to keep up with every new, tribal-like slang term groups of teenagers make up.
Right, only an idiot would value their status as their child's guardian above keeping secrets. What was I thinking.
Other people are proposing approaches that are far worse than what, but even that would not make the kind of first impression that I want to lead from. Plus there's a titanic opportunity cost here: You are proposing to lead with "Are you sure?" when we could be leading with "I am sorry for your loss". Which one of those do you think makes a better impression?
No. No she couldn't.
I'm sorry, I just have trouble staying calm when people spend huge amounts of effort pushing major conversational missteps predicated on basic failures of both logic and comprehension of human nature.
Er, that's not mentioned anywhere in canon, beyond the obvious fact that girls whom are too old can't contract (or Incubators don't want to contract them).
Quick let's fight over this for the next 5 pages!
For the sake of a 10-second detour, as opposed to actually attempting to shut her down? Why yes, getting mad at someone not even attempting to dissuade you but checking how much you already know is pretty silly, I agree.
I wouldn't be a huge fan of leading with "I'm sorry for your loss" anyway, since there's a few possibilities as to how she knows about magic that don't include the death of close friends/relatives, but I don't think "first impression" is limited to "literally the first sentence on the subject" - a 10 second detour is not a big deal.
Veb. I've had clearance for classified information before. One of the first things they teach you about knowing Classified information is that when someone says "Oh yeah I know all about that classified thing with the planes!" you don't respond with "OH YOU MEAN THE TYPE 2400000 SUPER-SECRET ENGINE PROTOTYPE WOW I DIDN'T KNOW YOU KNEW!" even if you know they have the same level of clearance as you do.
So if she says she doesn't know, we're going to fill her in anyway and you just want us to check to see how much filling in is necessary?
If she says she doesn't know, I want to finish the conversation with her about whatever it is she's actually talking about, go have a conversation with the others including Hitomi as to why we should tell her, convince Hitomi if she needs convincing, come up with the best way to break it to her with Hitomi's help and insight into her character, and come back and fill her in later on in the evening.
And I feel that you're the one misunderstanding basic aspects of human behavior. A reasonable person would expect someone confronted over a secret to show some reluctance to admit to said secret. Otherwise it would not be a secret in the first place. A reasonable person would not take offense to someone that they just met being reluctant to share their most closely guarded secret with them immediately upon being prompted, because a reasonable person does not expect someone that they've just met to immediately decide to trust them with confidential information. If Mrs. Shizuki is reasonable, she should fully expect us to be wary in how we respond. A reasonable person would not get upset over us being cautious, because that is what's expected in these circumstances.
If Hitomi okays it, yeah. This is her family we're tampering with. We should make sure she's okay with it.
