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I'll note that, in a fight, Sayaka should be acting like a caster. She's a top-tier melee fighter, especially once she starts pulling in buffs like the Juggernaut and Invisibility, and she absolutely needs melee training, but her best plan in a fight would probably be to stand back and run all of her powers at maximum intensity. Just look at the first round she went with Kyouko - she was doing okay in melee, but her best attempt by far was using plant control to nail Kyouko down and then throwing lightning from invisibility.
 
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I can't help but feel like you guys are vastly overhyping Sayaka's power. You'd think she had reality warping stronger than what Sabrina's could have been from the vote says.

Also, can Sayaka use multiple powers at the same time or just one? I don't recall.
 
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You'd think she had reality warping stronger than what Sabrina's could have been from the vote says.
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She absolutely does. It is not hype. It is reality. Because:
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Also, can Sayaka use multiple powers at the same time or just one? I don't recall.
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She can't just use multiple powers at once, she can use all of the powers at once.

You know how we're limited to griefhax, which though powerful has a 100m radius limit? Sayaka doesn't have that limitation. Sayaka doesn't have to wait for griefhax. Sayaka doesn't have anything that's "impossible". If there is a meguca that can do it, Sayaka can do it too. And there are meguca that can do anything, and they're often better at what they do than Sabrina is because they're operating conceptually. For example, Hackerguca - conceptual computer security intrusion is flat-out impossible for griefhax because of the range limit, but Hackerguca can make like hollywood and completely ignore things like airgaps and math. Hackerguca can probably crack one-time pads. And that means that Sayaka can too. All she needs is that power. Apply similar results to weather control - all she need is a meguca that can make it rain - healing, postcognition, fabrication, chemistry, electronic warfare, illusion, stealth, there're literally dozens of things just off the top of my head that she's trivially better at than we are because she can operate conceptually on every problem. If we're from the Culture, she's from Touhou.

It is not hype to say that Sayaka has potential to be greater than us. It's not even far-fetched. She is one of the few people on the planet other than us that could probably figure out a cleansing solution. That's how powerful she is.
 
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Vebyast said:
It is not hype to say that Sayaka has potential to be greater than us. It's not even far-fetched. She is one of the few people on the planet other than us that could probably figure out a cleansing solution. That's how powerful she is.
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The only thing Sayaka can't do is run a perpetual motion machine, but that's what we're here for.
 
Vebyast said:
She absolutely does. It is not hype. It is reality. Because:

She can't just use multiple powers at once, she can use all of the powers at once.

You know how we're limited to griefhax, which though powerful has a 100m radius limit? Sayaka doesn't have that limitation. Sayaka doesn't have to wait for griefhax. Sayaka doesn't have anything that's "impossible". If there is a meguca that can do it, Sayaka can do it too. And there are meguca that can do anything, and they're often better at what they do than Sabrina is because they're operating conceptually. For example, Hackerguca - conceptual computer security intrusion is flat-out impossible for griefhax because of the range limit, but Hackerguca can make like hollywood and completely ignore things like airgaps and math. Hackerguca can probably crack one-time pads. And that means that Sayaka can too. All she needs is that power.

It is not hype to say that Sayaka has potential to be greater than us. It's not even far-fetched. She is one of the few people on the planet other than us that could probably figure out a cleansing solution. That's how powerful she is.
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I decided to do the digging and I'm not sure how well that gels with these passages(Everything I could find digging into how Sayaka's powers work). When it comes to using all the powers at once. (Edit: I just realized she's constrained by however many keychains she can carry unless she develops a gate of babylon to keep the power gems in so never mind).

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"Yup!" Sayaka says, and digs in her pocket before pulling out a large keychain full of tabs, each one mounted with a power gem. "Each of these is a power I copied!"

"Oh, that's cool," you say, leaning forward to peer at the wheel. "When did you make that?"

"I got papa to help!" Sayaka says, beaming. "It's just sheet plastic, really. See, like this, they're all accessible quickly. And there's enough empty spots if I get more powers, though I might just make another one. Um... I was wondering, Mami, if you could help me enchant it to make it more durable?"
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Sayaka fairly bounces as she waves her hands, laughing and guiding the ribbons around the junkyard like a surging mass of seafoam.

Homura sighs again. "I know."

"Is there anything I can do, Homura?" you ask. "Anything to help, or anything to make you feel better?"

"Hey, should I try someone else's power?" Sayaka asks, voice bright and cheery. She grins at you, teeth nearly flashing in the later afternoon sun.

Mami shakes her head. "No, not yet... unless you think you can hold more than one power at a time?" she asks.

Sayaka frowns. "I think... I think I can only hold one at a time," she says. "It feels like it."
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"No, wait- no that's not it," Sayaka mutters distractedly, frowning. "What the hell, Sabrina?"

"Um... Have you released my powers yet, Sayaka?" Mami asks, taking a step forward.

"Ah, yeah, good idea," Sayaka mutters. Paying attention, you can see the way her power unfurls, smoothing out as she makes an effort. She bites her lip. "... No, still nothing."

"... Maybe there's a refractory period of some kind?" you suggest, pursing your lips.

"No," Sayaka says, shaking her head. Her eyes widen. "I- um, I don't know how I know that."

"Hmm," Mami says. A baffled frown furrows her brow. "Madoka, could you come over here a moment?"

"Ah, yes!" Madoka hops to her feet and hurries over. Hitomi stands, too, smoothing her skirts down and proceeding over to observe the hubbub.

"Sayaka, try copying from Madoka?" Mami suggests. "Since she isn't a magical girl at all."

"Right," Sayaka says, releasing your hand to grab Madoka's. Her frown deepens. "It's... not the same."

"Really now?" you ask. "How come?"

"It's, uh," Sayaka frowns. "It's like..." She gestures at Madoka. "I get nothing from Madoka, and it's a, a, known nothing. Like a zero. From you I get... like... 'none applicable'. An imaginary number, like, right angles to everything else."

"That's strange," Mami says, frowning.
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You're not absolutely certain, but you don't think Sayaka's Soul Gem is filling any faster than it had when she'd had only Mami's ribbon powers. Perhaps the difference is so small you don't notice it, or perhaps you're remembering wrong, but you don't think so.

That's interesting and very, very usefu-

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"Oh, and before I forget - Sayaka, you're still holding onto Nadia's and Mami's powers, right?" you ask, glancing up from the marble.

"Um? Yeah, I got 'em," Sayaka confirms.

"Right, hang on to them," you say.

Sayaka nods, looking thoughtful as she bends forward to inspect her own Soul Gem.

You return your attention to the Grief. Compressed, it's just a dull, dark purple that's nearly black, and mottled with different colours. And you... want to get rid of it. You're not unaware of the possible consequences, especially with regards to Kyuubey. But this is a small scale experiment, and to be frank, a magical girl dying is also lost energy to Kyuubey, as little as you like thinking about that prospect.

A slow breath out. You'll try simply willing it gone, first.

And so you try. You try vanishing the Grief with your will, but all that gets you is a blinding migraine that has Mami looking at you in concern. You try creating a device that can delete Grief, but that accomplishes nothing at all. In a fit of pique, you recreate your Infinity Gauntlet of Enchanting and try to enchant something, to no real success.

You do earn a look of fond exasperation from Mami, though, who's wrapped her arms firmly around your waist so that she can tuck her chin on your shoulder.

"Aha!" Sayaka says as you reach the outskirts of Ishinomaki, interrupting your enchanting.

Which is fine. Just fine. It wasn't working anyway.

You dissolve the gauntlet with a sigh, flicking the wisps of Grief off your hand. "What've you got, Sayaka?" you ask, dropping the speed a little on your platform as you coast in amongst the skyscrapers of Ishinomaki.

She holds up a little five-lobed charm made of blue crystal and trimmed with white. "Mami's ribbons," she says proudly.

"... eh?" you say. "... wait. Did you do what I think you just did?"

Mami holds her hand out for the charm, turning it over in her hands. "You managed to store your copy of my magic?"

"Yup and yup!" Sayaka says proudly. "Cool, eh?"

You're about to answer when a telepathic message intrudes. "Hello, Miss Sabrina!"
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I'm not sure when she started holding onto Nadia and Mami's powers at the same time.

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Mami leans over you to offer Sayaka a high-five, which is gladly returned. "You will likely be the most versatile magical girl on our team with time," she says.

"I mean, I guess you can't copy my power, and you can't copy how awesome Mami is, but everything else should be fair game, right?" you say. "By the way, how do those work?"

"They're just... instant powers, just add water?" Sayaka says, shrugging as she takes the little charm back from Mami. "Except I'm the water. I think I can turn any power into these... I dunno, what do I call these?"

"We'll have to think of a name," Mami says with a smile. You grin, and speak in sync with her. "Names are important!"

Sayaka stares, and then throws her hands up. "God, you two. I'll think of something. By the way, uh-"
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"Um... five minutes?" she says. She's leaning comfortably against your shoulder, Nadia's earrings held in her hands. "Um... sorry, I wasn't watching the time."

"Ah, no problem," you say. "Sayaka, whatcha doing?"

The bleunette grins at you, holding up the crystallised powers she has. "Trying to see if I can store these better," she says. "I wanna see if I can make a... I dunno, a thing that gives me the exact gem I want when I want."

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Sayaka's still working on her idea, though she's concluded that she wants some kind of cardboard or plastic to shape it out of. On the other hand, she's working with some contraption of sticks Nadia dug out from somewhere in her pockets, making it spin erratically with little sparks of magic.
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Vebyast said:
She absolutely does. It is not hype. It is reality. Because:

She can't just use multiple powers at once, she can use all of the powers at once.

You know how we're limited to griefhax, which though powerful has a 100m radius limit? Sayaka doesn't have that limitation. Sayaka doesn't have to wait for griefhax. Sayaka doesn't have anything that's "impossible". If there is a meguca that can do it, Sayaka can do it too. And there are meguca that can do anything, and they're often better at what they do than Sabrina is because they're operating conceptually. For example, Hackerguca - conceptual computer security intrusion is flat-out impossible for griefhax because of the range limit, but Hackerguca can make like hollywood and completely ignore things like airgaps and math. Hackerguca can probably crack one-time pads. And that means that Sayaka can too. All she needs is that power. Apply similar results to weather control - all she need is a meguca that can make it rain - healing, postcognition, fabrication, chemistry, electronic warfare, illusion, stealth, there're literally dozens of things just off the top of my head that she's trivially better at than we are because she can operate conceptually on every problem. If we're from the Culture, she's from Touhou.

It is not hype to say that Sayaka has potential to be greater than us. It's not even far-fetched. She is one of the few people on the planet other than us that could probably figure out a cleansing solution. That's how powerful she is.
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None of that is going to appeal to her right now. We can tell her that she has tons of potential all day, that she is going to stop hurricanes singlehandedly at some point, but it won't be what she needs to hear.

She needs to understand that what her team needs isn't some super-badass, or some kind of "you'll be a wizard someday" potential member. She needs to understand that what her team needs is a good friend, a dependable ally, and someone who can be there for others when Sabrina herself can't be, and that Sayaka is already making great strides towards that.

She needs to understand that the money was no big deal because we basically put in almost no effort or time for getting it, and the money is for the team. It's not a handout to her, it's an investment in her.

She needs to understand that we don't want her fighting Witches alone because fighting Witches alone is very dangerous, even for veterans, and should be avoided if at all possible. That Sabrina and Homura only do it because their powers are super-OP and they both have a strong sense of caution despite being so overpowered.

Saying that she'll be able to do all of these things in the future isn't going to really address her insecurities. She's feeling insecure about herself as she is now. What we should tell her is that she's already well on her way to being what her team needs, and those needs aren't what she thinks they are.
 
Even if it's not hype, it's going to sound like it is to Sayaka.

Telling her that she can stop a hurricane will come across as vapid flattery. Even though it's probable that within a few months she'll be able to destroy entire biospheres with her powers, much less a single instance of a weather system (in fact the two will likely be connected), right now she can't win in a fistfight against Kyouko, who she just met a little while ago and has a budding friendship. She just had all her faults thrown in her face, and now she's feeling down.

The thing is, she wants to be useful now. That's why I pushed for us focusing on her character; that doesn't change even if she somehow stops being a magical girl. She has a similar but distinct role from Madoka, so if that won't work for making Sayaka feel like she has agency, how can we expect it to work for Madoka?

She doesn't need to hear from us about how much she'll be capable of in some nebulous future. She needs to hear that she's valuable now as an addition to the team, and that we aren't carrying her around. And let's be honest, we totally are, combat-wise. We can't actually take that angle, because she was just handed actual, tangible, and rather sharp proof that she's not nigh-Omnipotent like the rest of her friends and her friends friends. So we need to take a different angle, because she will not believe us otherwise.

TL;DR: Sayaka's ability to stop a hurricane is not relevant and will only make her think anything else we say is just us buttering her up with more bullshit. We should take a different tack more focused on her role in the group as a Paladin-type person.
 
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She needs to understand that what her team needs is a good friend, a dependable ally, and someone who can be there for others when Sabrina herself can't be, and that Sayaka is already making great strides towards that.
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"Then why did I make a wish?"

No. Fuck everything about that. She wished to be useful and you're going to tell her that that was useless and that the power was inside her all along? I do not think that you could find a better way to get her to reject her wish if you tried. Your interpretation of Sayaka and her problems misses the point to such a degree that it would be comical if it were not going to kill her.
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We should take a different tack more focused on her role in the group as a Paladin-type person.
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See above commentary regarding convincing Sayaka to commit suicide.

No, what we need to be doing right now is convincing Sayaka that she didn't wish bad. For fuck's sake, WE GOT A WORD OF GOD that her problem is "What good are my powers I if I'm not using them to fight people"? We do that by showing her what she can do! We do that by telling her all the thousands of ways she can do things that aren't fighting! We do that by showing her that her powers are bullshit in ways that surpass even us! We tell her that she didn't just wish good, she wished the goodest.
 
Remember when we said that we'd be glad to have Mami along with us because she was a powerful and experienced magical girl? Remember how she reacted to that?

Sayaka had these insecurities before she contracted. Becoming a magical girl didn't really address these insecurities. Telling her that she'll be great one day won't address those insecurities.

Telling her that she's needed now, that she's useful now just as she is, that it's who she is that matters here and now, is important, and it's something that she'll accept. If Sayaka were Superman the moment she contracted, she'd still be feeling like she's not really standing with the rest of her team, because she'd feel like her team didn't need her power in the first place, and she'd be right. What will give her validation is the assurance that she's already being what her team needs. That she's not a burden, but a boon--not because she'll be all-powerful in the future, but because she's the kind of person who gives us the emotional support we need, who can be relied upon, who can have tasks delegated to her.

Her wish empowered her to be someone who can, down the line, do lots more things. Who can hold her own in a fight with another magical girl if she has to defend herself against one in the course of her supporting other magical girls in need. And who can protect people from Witches and Familiars when we aren't around to do it ourselves. It wasn't pointless. But the core idea is that power is only helpful in the right hands, and what makes her already valuable to her team despite being a newbie is that hers are the right hands.

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"Then why did I make a wish?"

No. Fuck everything about that. She wished to be useful and you're going to tell her that that was useless and that the power was inside her all along? I do not think that you could find a better way to get her to reject her wish if you tried. Your interpretation of Sayaka and her problems misses the point to such a degree that it would be comical if it were not going to kill her.

See above commentary regarding convincing Sayaka to commit suicide.

No, what we need to be doing right now is convincing Sayaka that she didn't wish bad. For fuck's sake, WE GOT A WORD OF GOD that her problem is "What good are my powers I if I'm not using them to fight people"? We do that by showing her what she can do! We do that by telling her all the thousands of ways she can do things that aren't fighting! We do that by showing her that her powers are bullshit in ways that surpass even us! We tell her that she didn't just wish good, she wished the goodest.
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If that were true, her insecurities would have already been addressed by us telling her that her power is awesome and that she's got loads of potential (which we have done). Obviously, they haven't been addressed.

I'm with you on the last part--that she wished damn well, and letting her know it--but I think you're focusing too much on the long-term, nebulous future and grandiosity than on her actual insecurities.
 
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"Then why did I make a wish?"

No. Fuck everything about that. She wished to be useful and you're going to tell her that that was useless and that the power was inside her all along? I do not think that you could find a better way to get her to reject her wish if you tried. Your interpretation of Sayaka and her problems misses the point to such a degree that it would be comical if it were not going to kill her.

See above commentary regarding convincing Sayaka to commit suicide.

No, what we need to be doing right now is convincing Sayaka that she didn't wish bad. For fuck's sake, WE GOT A WORD OF GOD that her problem is "What good are my powers I if I'm not using them to fight people"? We do that by showing her what she can do! We do that by telling her all the thousands of ways she can do things that aren't fighting! We do that by showing her that her powers are bullshit in ways that surpass even us! We tell her that she didn't just wish good, she wished the goodest.
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You're starting to come off as a little bit hostile.
Adhoc vote count started by Firnagzen on Sep 2, 2017 at 9:01 AM, finished with 243 posts and 24 votes.
  • [X] Reassure Sayaka about the following in no particular order, as appropriate. Refer to Kyouko as "That Tsundere" at least once.
    -[X] Training
    -[X] Potential (not the wishing kind)
    -[X] Usefulness in general
    -[X] Anything else that comes to mind or arises in conversation
    [X] Ask about what she cut off when she was asking if "Kyouko was right"
    -[X] Respond appropriately if needed
    [X] Physically pat her on the back and do something to lighten the mood, like cheerily calling her blueberry to her face.
    [X] Go back to Mami, be happi.
    [X] Wishing is not everything, is it? We've got to work for our Wishes.
    [X] Sayaka's power gave her endless possibilities. She'll be stronger than any of us some day...
    -[X] But what does she want to be right now?
    [X] Talk with her. Try to give her what she needs: Reassurances; perspective; her possible roles and things she can do that none else can; give her ideas (Clone police, quick response once she gets teleporting, etc.).
    -[X] If it's about Kyouko, Kyouko's harsh, and a little tsundere. She was also nervous because this her first day having a job. Which we paid for with stolen Yakuza money.
    [X] Don't be overbearing. Let Sayaka end the conversation when she wants.
    [x] Ask Sayaka to elaborate.
    [x] Reassure Sayaka. She is standing with you. "Let me explain some things to you."
    [x] Put things in perspective. She's comparing herself to several of the best magical girls around. And whatever she thinks, it's only a matter of practice for her to match them.
    -[x] Elaborate as appropriate. There are more ways to be a hero than fighting, especially with superpowers. Healing, teleportation, peacekeeping, disaster relief, you name it. She made a damn good Wish for making a difference.
    -[x] What Mami needs most isn't a powerful ally, but a good friend. What Homura needs most is someone she can rely upon. Sabrina needs someone who can be there for others when she can't be there herself. Sayaka is already making good strides towards that. She'll be a powerful teammate regardless, and that's always helpful, but now she can be both. She only feels like she hasn't been contributing yet because no new crisis or mess has happened since she contracted (yet). Give it time.
    -[x] You absolutely trust her to solve problems. She's impressed Mami. And Kyouko is 110% tsundere.
    [x] Also, the money was just stolen from the Yakuza in a few minutes via timestop. The money is for the team, anyway, and teammates invest in each other.
    [x] Lastly, fighting Witches alone is always dangerous, even for veterans, and should be avoided if at all possible. Only those with super-OP powers and a heavy dose of caution can safely get away with it.
    [x] If appropriate, do the supportive-listener thing: ask if there's anything else bothering her, if we missed the point entirely, etc.
    [X] But that's enough of heavy topics. Go enjoy karaoke. Hug teh Mumi. Duet?
    [X] Tone is reassuring, unreserved: She already stands with you. Describe how lame most newbies are, compare with how capable she is. Explain that training is only partly to help her fight better, (her skills are good, it's her tactics that are improving). The rest is to help Kyouko and Yuma, both cash and grief. Kyouko is prickly, won't accept help, that's why pay is so high -- both are homeless, home territory has no witches, Kyouko is taking care of Yuma. Sayaka is already helping you with main goal of helping others.
    [X] Greet Mami with hug-and-spin. Maximum adorkable affection.
    [X] Minimal description of training. It's off to a good start.
    [X] Karaoke! Try your best! You're Mami's biggest fan! Be supportive of your friends! Have fun!
    [X] An Onmur is fine too
    [X] Wishing is not everything, is it? We've got to work for our Wishes.
    [x] If she's worried about the over-focus thing, reassure her - that's also something that can be practiced. Why else would Kyouko have her practicing it? And focus can be a good thing if used right, same way that lack of focus can be useful.
    [X] As far as broader usefulness... Sayaka's power gave her endless possibilities. She'll be stronger than any of us some day...
    -[X] But what does she want to be right now?
    [X] Talk with her. Try to give her what she needs: Reassurances; perspective; her possible roles and things she can do that none else can; give her ideas (Clone police, quick response once she gets teleporting, etc.).
    -[X] If it's about Kyouko, Kyouko's harsh, and a little tsundere. She was also nervous because this her first day having a job. Which we paid for with stolen Yakuza money.
    [x] If appropriate, do the supportive-listener thing: ask if there's anything else bothering her, if we missed the point entirely, etc.
    [x] Omnur
    [x] Reassure Sayaka. She is standing with you.
    [x] Put things in perspective. She's comparing herself to a lot of outliers. And whatever she thinks, it's only a matter of practice for her to match them.
    -[x] Elaborate as appropriate - Sayapolice, weather control and clones+teleport+healing for disaster response, plant control for chemistry and fabrication, etc.
    -[x] The utility, logistics, and research value of her powers are insane. She's impressed Mami. And Kyouko is 110% tsundere.
    [x] If she's worried about over-focusing, reassure her - working around that is something that can be practiced. Why else would Kyouko have her practicing it? Tunnelvision is a normal part of the human response to violence. and if she finds a biology manipulation power, she may not even need to work around it.
    [x] If appropriate, do the supportive-listener thing: ask if there's anything else bothering her, if we missed the point entirely, etc.
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Vebyast said:
"Then why did I make a wish?"
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Because her role in the team is augmented by her being able to enter combat if she needs to. That doesn't mean Combat is her major focus or even that she needs to be the best at it ever right the fuck now. It certainly doesn't mean that it's the only thing that she contributes.

Vebyast said:
No. Fuck everything about that. She wished to be useful and you're going to tell her that that was useless and that the power was inside her all along?
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We are Magical Girl Classic and that's absolutely a speech MGC gives out regularly. And, no to the first, yes to the second. No, her wish wasn't useless. But that doesn't mean her most valuable contribution stems from her wish. Her contribution is incredibly close kin to ours - and our grief powers obviously aren't the focus of the plot here.

Vebyast said:
"What good are my powers I if I'm not using them to fight people"?.
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What good are powers without the girl behind them? Do you think anyone would read a Superman comic that cut out the man and just left in nothing but the Super?

Also, please amplify your relaxed state - Agent Whiskers is right. I don't think our answer one way or another is going to cause Sayaka to become depressed and die. It's not like we're telling her we're the ones who burned down her apartment or something - She's not Uber-dependent on us like Mami is so even if we give her some truly awful advice and comfort she'll probably be able to shrug it off. It's certainly not worth getting hostile over.
 
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If that were true, her insecurities would already be addressed by us telling her that her power is awesome and that she's got loads of potential (which we have done). I'm with you on the last part--that she wished damn well, and letting her know it--but I think you're focusing too much on the long-term, nebulous future and grandiosity than on her actual insecurities.
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Except that she clearly doesn't fucking understand what we were talking about and we need to try again. She feels useless because she feels like just being a friend isn't enough and being a beatstick isn't enough, and for some reason she completely failed to consider that all of her powers could be applied to situations that aren't beating people up.

Like, you think that Sayaka doesn't understand the power of friendship? She fucking wished because she thought that the power of friendship wasn't good enough! That was her entire wish! She wished to be able to contribute directly, with magic powers, and now she's worried that her magic powers aren't good enough. That's it. That's all of her problem.
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Yes. Yes, I am angry. The author just said "Let me tell how that's going to go over". Ignoring that tends to make me very slightly unhappy.
 
[X] Wishing is not everything, is it? We've got to work for our Wishes.
[X] Sayaka's power gave her endless possibilities. She'll be stronger than any of us some day...
-[X] But what does she want to be right now?
[X] Talk with her. Try to give her what she needs: Reassurances; perspective; her possible roles and things she can do that none else can; give her ideas (Clone police, quick response once she gets teleporting, etc.).
-[X] If it's about Kyouko, Kyouko's harsh, and a little tsundere. She was also nervous because this her first day having a job. Which we paid for with stolen Yakuza money.
[X] Don't be overbearing. Let Sayaka end the conversation when she wants.


By the way, what if Sayaka tried to enchant a shield with Bennouna's power? Unmovable object?
 
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[X] Wishing is not everything, is it? We've got to work for our Wishes.
[X] Sayaka's power gave her endless possibilities. She'll be stronger than any us some day...
-[X] But what does she want to be right now?
[X] Talk with her. Try to give her what she needs: Reassurances; perspective; her possible roles and things she can do that none else can; give her ideas (Clone police, quick response once she gets teleporting, etc.).
-[X] If it's about Kyouko, Kyouko's harsh, and a little tsundere. She was also nervous because this her first day having a job. Which we paid for with stolen Yakuza money.
[X] Don't be overbearing. Let Sayaka end the conversation when she wants.
 
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I guess I should say something. I'm trying to keep most of the good points that have been brought up, but to let Sabrina decide whether to bring them up or not based on how the conversation goes.

Also some commiserating at the start, though light as trying too hard would seem condescending (Empress Sabrina Tomoe née Vee also has problems you know?).

And just a reminder to Brina to not speech the poor blue guca. :p
 
You know what? Fuck this.

[] Tell Sayaka she's awesome. Part one: In the future. Part two: Now. Refer to thread for details re: role in party is god not beatstick, current task is training to become god, helping us manipulate kyouko for her own mental health.

If the thread is still full of shit when I get out of bed tomorrow morning I'm switching my vote to that.

Go ahead, try to fight me on the wording. I would love to copy and paste my last fifteen posts.
 
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Onmur said:
By the way, what if Sayaka tried to enchant a shield with Bennouna's power? Unmovable object?
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I dunno, this seems like something that might actually be dangerous to experiment with, depending on how physics and magic interact with non-sentient objects.

You think 'immovable shield', I think "CLANG" "WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT?!"
 
She's only limited by her imagination. and by needing soul gem cleansing, but with us and clear seeds around, the second one's already taken care of.
 
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