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SaltyWaffles said:
Honestly, we should try making dangersense, clairvoyance, multitasking, forcefield-projecting, and teleportation enchanted objects out of Grief--we'll definitely want all of that for Walpurgisnacht, at the very least, so we need to practice that ahead of time. And since it's stuff we'd carry solely on our person anyway, there's no disadvantage to them being Grief constructs (allowing us to just cheat).
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Several of those are ideas worth pursuing in the future, certainly. But right now, we really need to try enchanting with our wish magic. We've already put it off way too many times.


AuraTwilight said:
Narrator, there's a difference between a broken spine and an entire limb that's simply not attached to a body anymore. Even if the spine was severed, Oriko wasn't bisected like Masami was.
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But if the question is "Do meguca still need to use their nervous systems to control their bodies?" then severed nerves are severed nerves. Whether or not other tissues are still attached doesn't really matter, because they don't transmit information. Whether you just cut the phone lines or knock down the whole wall, the phone doesn't work either way. (If your assumption is that the Incubators have implanted some sort of alternative nervous system that's non-centralized and so widely distributed that any amount of connecting tissue will suffice for it to function, or even wireless, then that's certainly possible, but I don't recall anything we've witnessed that indicates that it's probable.)

A meguca can survive and potentially recover from nearly anything, but that doesn't mean that they can't be disabled for a time by destroying the mechanisms their bodies need to operate. If they couldn't, then most fights would probably only be able to end when a gem was smashed. If that was the case, you'd think Kyouko would have noticed and caught on to the lichbomb sooner.

Actually, I went back and checked out the fight scene in Episode 5, and after the first time Kyouko hits Sayaka (not stabbing her, but throwing her back about twenty feet to ricochet off a wall), before knowing about her healing powers, she says that should have put Sayaka in the hospital for three months. Now, the "three months" might just be braggadocio on Kyouko's part, but she clearly expected that blow to take Sayaka out of the fight for the time being. And Kyouko has quite a bit of experience with meguca combat.

It seems like the healing capabilities of meguca who aren't specialized in it are neither particularly potent nor quick and have a high grief cost. Trying to fix Sabrina's maimed leg would have filled Mami's gem if Sabrina hadn't been cleansing it, and fixing Oriko's neck took quite a while. Weeks of occasional healing haven't been enough to restore Oriko's missing arm yet. It took multiple meguca multiple days to fix Kyousuke's nerve damage. Given the sheer volume of damage and missing tissue Masami suffered, it's quite possible that healing her would have taken a regular meguca more than the five Seeds it cost to have Rin do it, if it were even possible. Masami's description of what she's heard Rin can do...
Firnagzen said:
"Miss Mori can heal me, right?" Masami asks. "I... I heard she's regrown entire arms before. Chronic illnesses too, right?"
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...seems to imply that most magical girls can't fix that sort of damage. At least not within a timeframe and cost that would be sane without Sabrina or a Clear Seed around.
 
Isn't anybody curious about what would happen if Sabrina tries to make a grief cube? (for the sake of SCIENCE)

And while where at it, while Sabrina controls it because of her magic grief in itself is a thing she could try to enchant.

EDIT: What would happen if another magical girl tries to enchant one of sabrina's grief constructs?
 
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Ernest352 said:
Isn't anybody curious about what would happen if Sabrina tries to make a grief cube? (for the sake of SCIENCE)
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We know from The Wraith Arc that Grief Cubes are some sort of residue left by Wraiths processing human emotions into something uncapable of magic.

Or something.

I'm not sure Grief Cubes are Grief, per se.
 
Onmur said:
I'm not sure Grief Cubes are Grief, per se.
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Well, Grief Seeds aren't Grief, but that is because they are inverted Soul Gems that contain Grief.

But Wraiths aren't born from a person, and thus aren't the product of a inverted soul like Witches are. I suppose the answer depends on what Wraiths actually are.
 
Model DC.14F said:
Well, Grief Seeds aren't Grief, but that is because they are inverted Soul Gems that contain Grief.

But Wraiths aren't born from a person, and thus aren't the product of a inverted soul like Witches are. I suppose the answer depends on what Wraiths actually are.
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They're Universal anti-bodies created to keep large scale magical effects like Madoka's Wish from happening again.

So they 'eat' emotions, process them, and crap them out as something inoffensive.

Then, Grief Cubes aren't made with Grief as Sabrina uses, but with the whole spectrum of human emotion. Which is why the affected humans are left emotionless husks.
 
How horrible! some of us haven't read the wraith arc, warn before making a spoiler!

But seriously that's horrible, if that's what happens whe someone makes a universal changing wish, then thats a point against letting Madoka contract.
 
Ernest352 said:
How horrible! some of us haven't read the wraith arc, warn before making a spoiler!

But seriously that's horrible, if that's what happens whe someone makes a universal changing wish, then thats a point against letting Madoka contract.
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You... you were asking about Grief Cubes... we're 4838 pages into this quest... :V
 
"I never expected this when I met you, you know? But I'm so, so glad that it's happened."

-- Sabrina on the date

... Urhg I wasn't expecting this! I didnmt have time to come up with proper fluff! Catgirl is sadz
 
The Narrator said:
But if the question is "Do meguca still need to use their nervous systems to control their bodies?" then severed nerves are severed nerves. Whether or not other tissues are still attached doesn't really matter, because they don't transmit information. Whether you just cut the phone lines or knock down the whole wall, the phone doesn't work either way. (If your assumption is that the Incubators have implanted some sort of alternative nervous system that's non-centralized and so widely distributed that any amount of connecting tissue will suffice for it to function, or even wireless, then that's certainly possible, but I don't recall anything we've witnessed that indicates that it's probable.)

A meguca can survive and potentially recover from nearly anything, but that doesn't mean that they can't be disabled for a time by destroying the mechanisms their bodies need to operate. If they couldn't, then most fights would probably only be able to end when a gem was smashed. If that was the case, you'd think Kyouko would have noticed and caught on to the lichbomb sooner.

Actually, I went back and checked out the fight scene in Episode 5, and after the first time Kyouko hits Sayaka (not stabbing her, but throwing her back about twenty feet to ricochet off a wall), before knowing about her healing powers, she says that should have put Sayaka in the hospital for three months. Now, the "three months" might just be braggadocio on Kyouko's part, but she clearly expected that blow to take Sayaka out of the fight for the time being. And Kyouko has quite a bit of experience with meguca combat.

It seems like the healing capabilities of meguca who aren't specialized in it are neither particularly potent nor quick and have a high grief cost. Trying to fix Sabrina's maimed leg would have filled Mami's gem if Sabrina hadn't been cleansing it, and fixing Oriko's neck took quite a while. Weeks of occasional healing haven't been enough to restore Oriko's missing arm yet. It took multiple meguca multiple days to fix Kyousuke's nerve damage. Given the sheer volume of damage and missing tissue Masami suffered, it's quite possible that healing her would have taken a regular meguca more than the five Seeds it cost to have Rin do it, if it were even possible. Masami's description of what she's heard Rin can do...

...seems to imply that most magical girls can't fix that sort of damage. At least not within a timeframe and cost that would be sane without Sabrina or a Clear Seed around.
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Counterpoint to almost all the above is that none of the characters, in any of these scenes, were Lichbombed, except for Masami.

If a Magical Girl can be just a gem and SEE out of it, they can probably make their body move by pure force of magic if they have to, but this probably requires being lichbombed and practice.
 
AuraTwilight said:
If a Magical Girl can be just a gem and SEE out of it
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Er... has any magical girl that we know of ever actually done this? We've theorized that we might be able to use our grief senses to sense our surroundings when reduced to just a gem, but so far every girl that's been separated from their body (including Sabrina, when Homura accidentally took our gem out of range that time) has just blacked out for the duration.
 
The Narrator said:
Er... has any magical girl that we know of ever actually done this? We've theorized that we might be able to use our grief senses to sense our surroundings when reduced to just a gem, but so far every girl that's been separated from their body (including Sabrina, when Homura accidentally took our gem out of range that time) has just blacked out for the duration.
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We have Word of Urobuchi that they can, that's good enough. It's not an automatic, default thing, it's a learned skill like enchantment. Just like dissociating your pain response and selectively blocking out life processes is a learned skill. Just like learning to heal your body and modify it in ways outside the default seems to be a learned skill.

Additionally, in the PSP game, Sayaka's able to move her body just fine, without even noticing anything is wrong, after it rots to a zombie-like state, and that most likely fucked up her nervous system in some way, so honestly it seems to me a girl can move their body supernaturally even if they shouldn't be able to, if they know better or if they have no idea their shit's broken.
 
The Narrator said:
Er... has any magical girl that we know of ever actually done this? We've theorized that we might be able to use our grief senses to sense our surroundings when reduced to just a gem, but so far every girl that's been separated from their body (including Sabrina, when Homura accidentally took our gem out of range that time) has just blacked out for the duration.
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Homura does in Rebellion. She looks out and sees the Incubators gathered around her gem, beyond the city skyline.
 
AuraTwilight said:
Additionally, in the PSP game, Sayaka's able to move her body just fine, without even noticing anything is wrong, after it rots to a zombie-like state, and that most likely fucked up her nervous system in some way, so honestly it seems to me a girl can move their body supernaturally even if they shouldn't be able to, if they know better or if they have no idea their shit's broken.
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That's a good point.
 
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