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Wait does anyone here make guns?? Maybe Sabrina has the skills already.
 
defenestrator said:
I sure wish we knew a really awesome meguca who can make guns using a somewhat unrelated form of magic. :V
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Mami's and Homura's gun knowledge don't really match, unfortunately.

I'm sure we could ask Mami for help, in general. A Mami and a Brina working together is better than a lone Brina or a lone Mami!

If nothing else, because hugs.
 
Always Happening said:
Harkonnen-II system has a 4km effective range, 30mm silver-coated depleted uranium rounds, and can be belt or drum fed. Only problem is the gun's something on the order of 130 pounds, but she was already going to need to magically reinforce herself for the recoil to not break every bone in her upper body.
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I'm afraid that super-strength and magical reinforcement isn't going to cut it. Assuming this weapon is equivalent to the 30mm GAU-8 autocannon on the A-10 Thunderbolt, then its recoil has more thrust than a jet engine. Nothing human-sized could control that no matter how strong they were, because they still have the same mass. If Homura tried to fire it, she'd fly backwards through the nearest wall at several hundred miles per hour.
 
Mami specializes in Historic Weapons Manufacture, not Modern Weapons Manufacture. I doubt she can do much further than the mid-1800's in terms of sheer tech without training up.
 
The Narrator said:
I'm afraid that super-strength and magical reinforcement isn't going to cut it. Assuming this weapon is equivalent to the 30mm GAU-8 autocannon on the A-10 Thunderbolt, then its recoil has more thrust than a jet engine. Nothing human-sized could control that no matter how strong they were, because they still have the same mass. If Homura tried to fire it, she'd fly backwards through the nearest wall at several hundred miles per hour.
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Were talking about the girl who set up anti ship missiles for proper firing.
 
Karnewarrior said:
Mami specializes in Historic Weapons Manufacture, not Modern Weapons Manufacture. I doubt she can do much further than the mid-1800's in terms of sheer tech without training up.
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If we provided her with the blueprints, she could probably make the parts, but they have too many moving parts for her to make the whole thing from memory. That's the reason that she used breach-loaders in the first place.

SpeckofStardust said:
Were talking about the girl who set up anti ship missiles for proper firing.
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She wasn't holding them. They were on a mounting. And recoil for missiles is entirely different because they have an engine; the shooter doesn't have to absorb the full force of Newton's Third Law to accelerate it.
 
Homura can do air-steps, IIRC. Additionally, Tiro Finale doesn't send Mami flying across the room, and Homura regularly opens up with LMGs offhand and in midair without so much as swaying or bracing. I'm fairly sure that meguca have ways to flat-out ignore recoil. Maybe not up to aircraft-grade rotary cannons, but Homura can probably shoot anything she can lift.
 
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Vebyast said:
Homura can do air-steps, IIRC. Additionally, Tiro Finale doesn't send Mami flying across the room, and Homura regularly opens up with LMGs offhand and in midair without so much as swaying or bracing. I'm fairly sure that meguca have ways to flat-out ignore recoil. Maybe not up to aircraft-grade rotary cannons, but Homura can probably shoot anything she can lift.
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Homura can probably shoot anything she can lift.
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... Time for Homu to hit the gym.
 
Vebyast said:
Homura regularly opens up with LMGs offhand and in midair without so much as swaying or bracing.
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5.56x45mm M249 SAW = ~1.7 KJ per round at 800 rpm.
30x173mm GAU-8 = ~200 KJ per round at 3,900 rpm.
Being able to handle one doesn't imply being able to handle the other. It's a difference of about three orders of magnitude.
 
AuraTwilight said:
It's worth noting that Tart has very poor control over her magic, and when she goes all out she's basically dumping out all her magic reserves at once. She still has a shitload of magic to throw around compared to everyone else, but she burns through Clear Seeds because conservation isn't in her dictionary.

Her magic also makes her basically totally invincible when she turns it on, which is uh.

A good point for the Walpurgis theory.
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You know, the more I think about it...the less I'm convinced that it's possible to turn Grief Seeds back into Soul Gems. Madoka's canon Wish seems to imply that Witches are separate entities from their respective magical girls. She wishes to remove Witches from existence before they can be born. Perhaps it's just a case of wording versus intent, but what if it isn't?

Certainly, the fact that Dedolere seems to have a sort of independent agency from Sabrina even when Sabrina is not in the least bit in a grief spiral strongly supports this notion. If Magical Girls directly transform into Witches, then Witches shouldn't exist in a form capable of any kind of agency until the Soul Gem becomes a Grief Seed.

Mechanics-wise, if it were possible to transform a Grief Seed into a Soul Gem, then shouldn't emptying a Grief Seed of all of its Grief have a more pronounced effect than the Seed simply going quiescent, especially over time? Shouldn't an empty Grief Seed respond to magic being infused into it, rather than being completely unaffected by it? The closest we've come to seeing any change is the fact that Clear Seeds behave like some sort of intermediate point between a Soul Gem and a Grief Seed when it comes to grief transfer (will take grief from a Soul Gem, will relinquish grief to a Grief Seed)--but even the quiescent part seems to only apply to some Clear Seeds (I assume the ones that come from Witches born from familiars are the ones that remain hungry for Grief). Speaking of which, did we actually give away Hildegarde? Isn't that a big mistake, since it was our pet project?

Regardless, the fact that a Soul Gem seems to undergo some kind of permanent transformation into a Grief Seed (such that even its barest "core" changes) seems indicative of the potential fact that transforming into a Witch is permanent. A soul itself changing so drastically doesn't seem like it would be reversible. I suppose that the only way to confirm this is to consult the soul mage coming to Mitakihara very soon, and give her a Clear Seed (one of each type) to examine, and see if she knows about the Witchbomb.
 
The Narrator said:
I'm afraid that super-strength and magical reinforcement isn't going to cut it. Assuming this weapon is equivalent to the 30mm GAU-8 autocannon on the A-10 Thunderbolt, then its recoil has more thrust than a jet engine. Nothing human-sized could control that no matter how strong they were, because they still have the same mass. If Homura tried to fire it, she'd fly backwards through the nearest wall at several hundred miles per hour.
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While it's the same caliber, it has a significantly lower rate of fire (I'd guesstimate in the 600-800 rpm range). When Seras Victoria (super-strong vampire) used two of the guns to tear an armored zeppelin out of the sky, they were also counterbalanced by two giant ammunition tanks strapped to her back (likely 2000+ rounds), which were equipped with bracing legs.

I'd link a clip from the anime, but Funimation's apparently gone DMCA-happy and I can't find anything but fucking AMVs.
 
Always Happening said:
While it's the same caliber, it has a significantly lower rate of fire (I'd guesstimate in the 600-800 rpm range). When Seras Victoria (super-strong vampire) used two of the guns to tear an armored zeppelin out of the sky, they were also counterbalanced by two giant ammunition tanks strapped to her back (likely 2000+ rounds), which were equipped with bracing legs.

I'd link a clip from the anime, but Funimation's apparently gone DMCA-happy and I can't find anything but fucking AMVs.
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You can't use a fucking anime as your citation for how the physics of that situation would play out, are you crazy? :V
 
SaltyWaffles said:
Mechanics-wise, if it were possible to transform a Grief Seed into a Soul Gem, then shouldn't emptying a Grief Seed of all of its Grief have a more pronounced effect than the Seed simply going quiescent, especially over time? Shouldn't an empty Grief Seed respond to magic being infused into it, rather than being completely unaffected by it? The closest we've come to seeing any change is the fact that Clear Seeds behave like some sort of intermediate point between a Soul Gem and a Grief Seed when it comes to grief transfer (will take grief from a Soul Gem, will relinquish grief to a Grief Seed)--but even the quiescent part seems to only apply to some Clear Seeds (I assume the ones that come from Witches born from familiars are the ones that remain hungry for Grief). Speaking of which, did we actually give away Hildegarde? Isn't that a big mistake, since it was our pet project?
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Aurora, after being cleansed and going 'quiescient', was used heavily by O&K, and became active again. Cleansing her further does not change that state of activity.

We can test whether that's 'normal' by making heavy use of other Clean Seeds (or perhaps re-filling Clean Seeds to a certain point).

We still have Hildegarde on us.
 
TheFanficAddict said:
No it was Sereg first here, then he got banned, and that's when Ugo became abrasive.
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Ugo was abrasive long before anything happened with Sereg, IIRC. I mean, he'd treated me so offensively for years (going beyond just this quest) that I more or less quit the quest (at least in terms of voting or arguing about the vote) until he was threadbanned. The Sendai War arc, particularly during the negotiations and subsequent battle, saw me being vilified and insulted on a personal level by numerous people (Ugo being one of them) for suggesting the very thing that those people ended up doing a few updates later. I suggested laying out the facts of the situation to Akiko and her team and giving them an ultimatum when it became completely clear that Akiko had no intention of negotiating in good faith, abandoning her aggressive pursuit of war against Ishinomaki, or ending her lethal exploitation of the University Group (and it was clear that Akiko was just stalling to get reinforcements and set up an ambush, and that Sabrina continuing to act like a doormat was not just irresponsible, but dangerous--and lo and behold, Akiko was just bringing in reinforcements, the rest of the Sendai team was in on it and hadn't heard Akiko's damning words, because we kept contacting her privately instead of communicating with their whole team, and they got a big ambush off on us that would have actually defeated us if Sabrina wasn't so gamebreakingly powerful and if Akiko hadn't failed to prioritize taking out Sabrina over everything else in the initial ambush), and I was attacked on a personal level by several people who got nothing more than an eventual soft insistence by Firn to knock it off (which didn't even name names).

I imagine that the only reason why Ugo didn't continue acting that way regardless was because I quit the quest out of disgust about how I'd been treated and how the perpetrators were essentially given the lightest, most impersonal slap on the wrist possible (no names were even mentioned). I vaguely remember calling Firn out on this by PM some time afterwards, when the vitriol eventually continued even without me there and Firn was expressing his frustration with this--that not naming names and holding the specific offenders accountable with actual punishment or official warnings would just result in the same behavior over and over again.

IIRC, even earlier than that arc (around the time when we were getting Masami healed, IIRC), I pointed out how the voters were missing something critical about their interpretation of the last update, and made a vote of my own. And Ugo basically responded by saying something along the lines of, "Loathe as I am to admit it, but SaltyWaffles actually has a good idea for once." I mean, really? This is the guy tons of people continue to idolize even after he got threadbanned after failing to heed repeated warnings that themselves came after a long history of being a dick to certain people? When actually and directly held accountable for his unacceptable behavior, he doubled down on it. I just wish people had held him accountable for his behavior sooner.

IIRC, Sereg got banned well after Ugo did. And Sereg's issues were different from Ugo's.
 
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