Jonen C
F.M.D.G.
- Location
- Lincopense, Ostrogothia, Suecia
No, no. Alcohol is mankinds oldest friend.
It is however a bad friend that will lead you astray, waking up with a headache in strange places with no recollection of what transpired.
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
- Thread starter Firnagzen
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It is however a bad friend that will lead you astray, waking up with a headache in strange places with no recollection of what transpired.
Askasknot
The wandering artist
- Location
- Norway
Since this page has become a bit heated lately, I found this picture that shows what we are fighting for... To save the epic cuteness that is the characters of Puella Magi Madoka Magica!
Epic and Cute! What more could you want from a picture.
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
- Pronouns
- He/Him
That only happened when Madoka used all of her magic to oneshot Walpurgisnacht. She doesn't burn magic like crazy otherwise, especially not at the level of potential (and thus, power) she'd have in this loop. Remember, her soul gem capacity by now would be huge--wasn't it a size comparable to the moon in episode 12?
The point is, the circumstances would be entirely different. There's also no reason whatsoever she'd burn through her soul gem just by existing--that would make no sense whatsoever. She isn't doomed to quickly Witch out just because she's powerful--if that were the case, Sabrina would be constantly burning through her Soul Gem like crazy just by existing, let alone when exercising her power, and she doesn't seem to generate Grief any more than any other magical girl with normal power usage (perhaps even less).
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I honestly can't imagine how. Especially since the same Madoka that used all of her power to oneshot Walpurgisnacht ended up becoming a Witch that would consume the entire planet in a week. The discrepancy is just far too great.
And just because Dedolere can be an ontological threat doesn't mean Sabrina as a magical girl would be capable of traveling across the universe and throwing down with the Incubators.
If we were that powerful, why is Sabrina clearly not even remotely powerful enough or capable enough to do anything at all on that scale? She's very powerful by magical girl standards, sure, but she's still got a maximum range of 100 meters, can't extend her own range by any means, can't make any lasting enchantments without manually learning them the hard way, can't make any enchantments along the lines of her natural power (something all other magical girls apparently don't have much trouble with, but Sabrina just plain can't do at all), and puts herself into an insensate trance for minutes on end every time she tries to do anything even remotely unusual with her Grief beyond just direct kinetic manipulation.
The only thing we've been able to figure out that's had any real, big impact thus far is the Clear Seeds, and even that's a ridiculously simple procedure (just empty out a Grief Seed of Grief--the most basic application of Sabrina's power, used on a Grief Seed instead of a Soul Gem). We've basically hit dead-ends everywhere else. The only other big thing of note was making our own Barrier, except that results in Dedolere coming out to play, so that's also a dead end. So long as we're limited to our 100 meter range, anything we can make can only be used locally, and it can't really help us figure anything out anyway. The only real scientific/development success we've had was making an enchantment by cheating with our power, while having Mami examine and reverse engineer it into an actually practical version. And since the one, truly important thing we need to make--a device that can cleanse Soul Gems that can be used by any magical girl--is something we apparently can't make even by cheating with our powers, we're kind of stuck at Step 1, with no conceivable way forward.
And you're suggesting that we'll be able to achieve Step 1,000,000,000 in any reasonable length of time?
Furthermore, if a Madoka-Wish could solve the biggest problem with the system on a universal scale, including the past/retroactively, and we can easily ensure Madoka's survival and quality of life, isn't that both the optimal and safest route to take?
- Location
- Illinois
You know how the ontological thing comes from a bootstrapping process? Nothing says that process doesn't involve outside materials. Nothing says Dedolere gets there on its own. Same goes for us.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
For the record, the belief that reclaiming those grief seeds and helping other species is possible, using all resources at our disposal (including cooperation with other magical girls and potentially the QB themselves) is the only reason I'm not pushing for a Madokawish.
I strongly suspect it is possible for it to be done, however: if it wasn't, Madoka's wish that "everything could be fixed" wouldn't have come true, and the primary reason Madoka's wish would even make an independent actor is if Madoka having wished wasn't necessary in the most optimal world anyway.
I strongly suspect it is possible for it to be done, however: if it wasn't, Madoka's wish that "everything could be fixed" wouldn't have come true, and the primary reason Madoka's wish would even make an independent actor is if Madoka having wished wasn't necessary in the most optimal world anyway.
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Bootstrapping from what? You do realize the level of bootstrapping required would be mind-bogglingly huge? If we're supposed to acquire the power to operate on a Madokami level, then why is the only source of that power the very same thing that was already spent bringing Sabrina into existence...with her meager 100 meter range and arbitrary inability to actually create anything useful and lasting with her powers?
It's entirely possible that Madoka from that loop simply wasn't aware of (or hadn't had the emotional capacity/opportunity to consider the implications) the sheer extent of how fucked up the universe is, so she wasn't thinking beyond the level of just Earth (and the present/immediate future). Thus, even in terms of intent, her Wish would be far more limited in scale than the kind of changes that Madoka's canonical wish brought about.
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- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
If that's shown to be true, and as a result we can't reclaim those grief seeds even with the help of others, then and only then I will begin actually voting to push Madoka to wish.
- Location
- Illinois
Firn called it "hilarious" which certainly lends itself to exactly that...
Always Happening
We could have prevented this.
- Location
- On a train with no brakes
To be fair, we haven't proven this, because
and
There were strong implications that it didn't work because we were cheating with our power, and trying to manipulate grief to make an enchantment to manipulate grief was causing a feedback loop. This is why it's vital that we actually knuckle down and burn some time learning how to enchant right and proper-- sleeping is technically optional for magical girls, anyway.
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
Not that I recall. It was that her barrier extended far enough to reach past the orbit of the moon.
A while back, someone posted a page from Tart Magica talking about how Tart's soul gem was filling up faster than a normal magical girl's because she was so powerful and using so much magic. So if one were to treat that manga as canon, then it's implied that the soul gem's grief capacity doesn't increase with potential at the same rate that raw power and magic consumption do. Which means that the higher the potential, the more pronounced the difference would become.
Maybe we could keep her gem clean, but it's not a chance I'm willing to take.
Sabrina is still learning how her power work. Hers is an ability that grows more potent with practice and experimentation. We've barely scratched the surface of what she's capable of.
Our grief control powers can't extend beyond that range, but we recently discovered that any effects based on real-world physics can. And many of us know quite a bit about physics. We've had to restrain ourselves because we're operating on our own planet, in a populated area, and don't want to kill anyone. But if we ever took the fight to space? None of that would apply. Who knows how how high the wattage on our laser can go, or how fast we can throw a projectile? Is it possible to use grief to make a magic FTL engine? Could we make our own starship with deflector shields and lasers and relativistic projectile launchers? Can we use our grief FTL to drop a rock on the Incubators at near-light speed? That would be a superweapon that would make a Sith Lord jealous.
Sabrina's capable of much more than she's done so far. She just can't really cut loose on Earth without destroying what she's trying to save.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
So. Mami is taking us out to dinner.
Don't mind me, just setting the mood...
Don't mind me, just setting the mood...
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
- Location
- The Silver City
It's worth noting that Tart has very poor control over her magic, and when she goes all out she's basically dumping out all her magic reserves at once. She still has a shitload of magic to throw around compared to everyone else, but she burns through Clear Seeds because conservation isn't in her dictionary.
Her magic also makes her basically totally invincible when she turns it on, which is uh.
A good point for the Walpurgis theory.
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
Time-travel arc where Sabrina goes to medieval France confirmed?
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
- Location
- The Silver City
One of the funniest phone auto-corrects so far.
UbeOne
Daydreaming CPU
- Location
- Philippines
- Pronouns
- She/Her
World of cardboard?
Dantalion
Insight: 365
- Location
- A Guest Room at the Brass Embassy, dying of Frenzy
- Pronouns
- Any
Worse. He can still go all out against one target without too badly damaging the surroundings, assuming that target can take it.World of cardboard?
We've gotta make sure our surroundings can take it, or can afford to exist a bit less. All our real power against non-witches comes with massive AoE.
World of Bubbles, perhaps.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
Wait, we're going on a date with Mami?!
When did this happen?! Shouldn't we get something nice to wear? Did Sabrina get anything nice? We should ask Homura to borrow timestop so we can get something nice to wear!
EDIT: No, this is serious! How did I miss that happening?! Which update was it?
When did this happen?! Shouldn't we get something nice to wear? Did Sabrina get anything nice? We should ask Homura to borrow timestop so we can get something nice to wear!
EDIT: No, this is serious! How did I miss that happening?! Which update was it?
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Well, she kind of caught us flatfooted, us still making plans and, well, she asked first.
Also, she asked just so casually, while we're already busy out there, no time to change or anything...
[Q] Undo last update. Ask to go clothes shopping instead.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
Okay, no, you're right, it's a bad time to ask Homura for a favor like that, but..Well, she kind of caught us flatfooted, us still making plans and, well, she asked first.
Also, she asked just so casually, while we're already busy out there, no time to change or anything...
[Q] Undo last update. Ask to go clothes shopping instead.
*furiously rereads last few updates*
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Mami asked us to go with her to a restaurant tonight right after we got back from the cleansing trip. If she's planning to go back to the apartment for a change of clothes, we can go with, but I get the impression this is supposed to be more casual.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
[Q] Realize Mami's such a CASUL.
-[Q] Look at Mami in a different li-
--[Q] Nah.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Yeah, she wasn't even planning on dropping out groceries off first. Definitely a casual dinner out.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Some people...
EDIT: Kind of ninja'd.
EDIT2: Almost. Does it count if it's by half a post?
EDIT: Kind of ninja'd.
EDIT2: Almost. Does it count if it's by half a post?