.... the Tokyo girls are all players in a grand RP quest thing where each player (or small group) gets to run a single girl or faction in the council.
 
The person who told Kirika to "STFU with your animu bullshit" on 2ch is one of the Tokyo girls confirmed. :V
 
Speaking of Tokyo, I'm still really curious to see what Akihabara is like here, and if cosplayers are common enough there that magical girls can freely walk around in public while transformed.

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We could also go to Comiket with Mami to publicly advertise our gem cleansing services without breaking the masquerade :V
 
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Speaking of gameplay, any thoughts to whether my vote is worth commenting on? Or are we just going to keep assuming that everything we "know" is accurate?
I'd like to talk to Homura about what happened last loop and figure out how it differs from what we expected, but I don't think she'd be comfortable with the idea of us probing her memories with Griefhax.
 
"It is... good to know you," Homura allows, eyes flicking awkwardly away from you.
"Then yeah," you say, sighing. "Say, Homura? If you don't mind my asking - do you know what Madoka's Wish was, exactly?"

Her expression falls, a little. You're still holding her wrist, and perhaps if you weren't, you wouldn't have noticed the way her hand twitches in that abortive little gesture.

"'I Wish that everything could be fixed!'" Homura says.

For some reason I have trouble with the idea that the wish "'I Wish that everything could be fixed!'" would result in our creation as is. I hate to ask this considering there was apparently a argument about Madoka's honesty while I was away, but are we sure Homura is not hiding something from us. I can't help but worry that she may know something that she considers a info hazard to us, and is thus not telling us the real exact wording of the wish.

She does not know that we have considered the possibility that we are Walpurgisnacht or some of our other pet theories like we actually are Madoka. Is it possible she is trying to protect us from a "Identity Bomb" or something else we have not even considered.

Edit: I also looked up the first time Homura told us about the wish for comparison.

"Wait. I'm sorry, Homura, but this is important - did Madoka make a Wish?" you ask urgently.

She swallows painfully. "Yes. She... she wished that everything could be fixed. And then she killed Walpurgisnacht, and..." Homura trails off, and her shield bearing arm makes a little gesture, grabbing at empty air.

What is with that gesture she makes both times?
 
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Homura has a long established bad habit of keeping secrets, even when it's counterproductive. That incident at the start of Timeline 3 where nobody believed her seems to have really scarred her.
 
Homura has a long established bad habit of keeping secrets, even when it's counterproductive. That incident at the start of Timeline 3 where nobody believed her seems to have really scarred her.
She keeps secrets mostly to prevent stuff from getting worse.

Mami: She immediately starts self-destructing if she learns about the truths about Witches.
Sayaka: Is naturally self-destructive as a Magical Girl and the truths about Magical Girls just make things worse.
Kyouko: Actually doesn't give too much of a shit but still gets pretty angry.
Madoka: Homura wants Madoka out of the Magical Girl business. Telling her the truths about it is counterproductive to that.

There's also the case of if she starts showing her hand too early, then Kyubey will get more curious about her and start putting the pieces together faster.
 
Homura has a long established bad habit of keeping secrets, even when it's counterproductive. That incident at the start of Timeline 3 where nobody believed her seems to have really scarred her.

Perhaps we should address this issue with her sometime and help her examine her motivations for her actions (Any other psych majors here btw). We can point out how the situation is different now since friendships and reputations have been established in this timeline now, Its not the same situation as when she tried to tell everyone before. Additionally she has us as to back up her about her story since we have established that we know things.
Adhoc vote count started by 4Dname on Jul 6, 2017 at 1:19 AM, finished with 120325 posts and 17 votes.

  • [X] Hug and comfort Homura. This is her worst memory -- act accordingly empathetic and understanding, and cleanse regularly throughout.
    -[X] Very gently and carefully: You know what happened. How Madoka asked not to let Kyuubey trick her again. What she asked Homura to do. But keeping her from being tricked doesn't mean keeping her in the dark.
    -[X] Explain why you think Madoka wouldn't wish, from your knowledge of loops that didn't happen. That if Madoka knows what Homura has done to protect her, she will only wish if all other hope is lost. That won't happen this time.
    -[X] You know Homura has tried to tell others about the loops before, and how hard it is for her to talk about it because of everything she's been through. But she's not alone any more. You won't tell Madoka about it if Homura doesn't want you to, but you can help her with it.
    [x] Sabrina
    [X] Hug and comfort Homura. This is her worst memory -- act accordingly empathetic and understanding, and cleanse regularly throughout.
    -[X] Very gently and carefully: You know what happened. How Madoka asked not to let Kyuubey trick her again. What she asked Homura to do. But keeping her from being tricked doesn't mean keeping her in the dark.
    -[X] Explain why you think Madoka wouldn't wish, from your knowledge of loops that didn't happen. That if Madoka knows what Homura has done to protect her, she will only wish if all other hope is lost. That won't happen this time.
    -[X] You know Homura has tried to tell others about the loops before, and how hard it is for her to talk about it because of everything she's been through. But she's not alone any more. You won't tell Madoka about it if Homura doesn't want you to, but you can help her with it.
    -[X] If she feels more comfortable showing us than telling us, we may be able to grief up something that could convert her memories to film or something. She'd still be in control.
    [X] Hug and comfort Homura. Be empathetic and understanding, and cleanse regularly throughout.
    -[X] Very gently and carefully: You know what happened. How Madoka asked not to let Kyuubey trick her again.
    --[X] Or is this something you're wrong about too?
    -[X] If she feels more comfortable showing us than telling us, we may be able to grief up something that could convert her memories to film or something. She'd still be in control.
    --[X] But keeping Madoka from being tricked doesn't mean keeping her in the dark.
    -[X] Explain why you think Madoka wouldn't wish, from your knowledge of loops that didn't happen.
    -[X] Reassure Homura that you won't tell Madoka about it if Homura doesn't want you to, but you can help her with it. She's not alone anymore.
 
For some reason I have trouble with the idea that the wish "'I Wish that everything could be fixed!'" would result in our creation as is. I hate to ask this considering there was apparently a argument about Madoka's honesty while I was away, but are we sure Homura is not hiding something from us. I can't help but worry that she may know something that she considers a info hazard to us, and is thus not telling us the real exact wording of the wish.

She does not know that we have considered the possibility that we are Walpurgisnacht or some of our other pet theories like we actually are Madoka. Is it possible she is trying to protect us from a "Identity Bomb" or something else we have not even considered.

Edit: I also looked up the first time Homura told us about the wish for comparison.



What is with that gesture she makes both times?


I just have been rereading some of the earlier chapters and realized I have been look looking at this wrong.

Re: The wish being the reason Sabrina's there, her wish being possible, and the potential being because of that...while a wish would neatly explain those away, it does seem a bit convenient.

I was going to post Gendo!Mami, but then I changed my mind. Suffice it to say that I love layers of complexity and all that, yeah?

For the Walpurgisnacht theory to be true, It would not need to directly be the wish that turned us back into a girl, The Wish that everything could be fixed could of granted Madoka Dewitching powers and turned Walpurgisnacht into us.

She swallows painfully. "Yes. She... she wished that everything could be fixed. And then she killed Walpurgisnacht, and..." Homura trails off, and her shield bearing arm makes a little gesture, grabbing at empty air.

When Homura first told us about the wish she was about to say something else happened after Walpurgisnacht was killed but stoped mid sentence, and this seems to add "Layer's of complexity" like Firnagzen said he likes.

I still haven't figured out how that could of gotten us back in time, but has anyone proposed this particular variant on the we are Walpurgisnacht theory before?
 
When Homura first told us about the wish she was about to say something else happened after Walpurgisnacht was killed but stoped mid sentence,
Well, what usually happens after Madoka contracts and kills Walpurgisnacht is that she witches out and destroys the world, so it would be understandable if she didn't want to talk about that. That hand gesture is interesting, though. She does it again when she tells us Madoka's wish again later. Reaching out to try to pull Madoka back? To catch her as she falls? To catch Walpy's falling Grief Seed? A general symbolic reaching for what always seems to be beyond her grasp? Or something else entirely?

It should be noted that, as opposed to Episode 12 where she wished that she had the power to change things, in this timeline Madoka instead only wished that some mechanism to do so existed. So it's not unreasonable that the wish created a third party to solve things for her.

I still haven't figured out how that could of gotten us back in time,
Maybe we were touching Homura when she looped? :p
 
Umm...that grabbing motion...that couldn't be an episode 12, could it? You know, the naked space hugs bit, where Homura's reaching out and trying to hold on to the fading Madoka?

Because that would imply post-Rebellion.
 
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