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So Easily Forgotten
Behold the face of our enemy. I won't link the whole video, but it is a bit of classic internet gold if you wanna look it up.
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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What we need is some less painful way to get Homura to relate her memories other than forcing her to talk about them. Griefhax to the rescue?
We just haven't shouted "Raketenform" yet.
[Q] Ask Homura to hold that thought.
-[Q] Take out hammer, test out Raketenform, Gigantform, Zerstörungsform
-[Q] Lament that the Cartridge System doesn't exist; that'd be an easy way to inject magic into a Grief Seed
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
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- Somewhere Offscreen
And last update, the part of the vote where we wanted to discuss Walpurgisnacht's origins got cut.
I think this is key to making Homura understand. Kyubey preys on Madoka's ignorance of the consequences. The best way to protect Madoka is to keep her informed. Maybe we should ask her if there were any previous timelines where Madoka knew about the witchbomb and/or the end of the world, and how that went?
redzonejoe
Vaguely Pastafarian
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- Canada
Is Madoka's looped potential something we're going to want to bring up to Homura eventually? it's another one of those weapons the Kyubey has at his disposal here, so it's something we might want to neutralize before he has the chance...
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
[Q] Tell Homura that, if she was hopping to not get hugs, she's been doing everything wrong these past few updates.
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... Uh, you know, THOUGHT.
I want to try and get Homura to think about telling Madoka everything. Let her know we truly believe it'll keep her from Wishing and offer our full support.
But for gods' sake, don't push.
I think we might even have to include a line in the vote:
[] Don't push.
Homura's actually opening up to Sabrina. This is huge. She's letting her emotions out, and it's up to us to give back something good. To not betray that trust she's giving us.
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... Uh, you know, THOUGHT.
I want to try and get Homura to think about telling Madoka everything. Let her know we truly believe it'll keep her from Wishing and offer our full support.
But for gods' sake, don't push.
I think we might even have to include a line in the vote:
[] Don't push.
Homura's actually opening up to Sabrina. This is huge. She's letting her emotions out, and it's up to us to give back something good. To not betray that trust she's giving us.
Homura is very good at ignoring a problem that has been staring her in the face for a decade; we don't have the centuries it would take to wait out her denial. We don't need to be harsh about it, but if we don't insist that she look at the problem in a new way then she'll happily keep smashing her face against that same brick wall until the Incubators potential-bomb her.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Godwinson's half vote seems pretty good, really.
Just go no further than that. Offer our opinion, our support and help, thank Homura for listening, and give her space.
To try and change the topic then, we could ask if she would be up to brainstorming differences between the previous loop and the last Canon loop. And if she doesn't seem up to it, just more hugs and relax for a bit before ending the conversation.
She'll need time to stew on the idea to reveal things to Madoka.
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And last update, the part of the vote where we wanted to discuss Walpurgisnacht's origins got cut.
That was always a terrible idea though.
NexysDhyArchen
Throne Breaker
Perhaps we could take a 'shopping trip' into a cheap and simple witch barrier, just us and Momura. Boding trip where we show off MECHA GURREN ZILLA LAGANN and talk about having our own fusion attack, us and Mom?
Gadjo
Doka
We were just warned by the GM last update not to do that. Twice.
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
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I didn't see much point to bringing it up and didn't think it would accomplish much, but it would have been nice to hear what Homura knows about Walpy. And it's always a little disheartening when things that we voted to do don't happen. Makes it feel like we aren't getting to make our own choices.
Karnewarrior
Leastmost of the Hanged Man Arcana
So we went with the creepy line about Homura being our mom and probably made her feel old.
Good job guys. #Orcguysalt
Anyway, we want to continue this conversation, but Kai is right, and we should press further into details on the last loop.
Good job guys. #Orcguysalt
Anyway, we want to continue this conversation, but Kai is right, and we should press further into details on the last loop.
Was semi-serious before when suggesting we try to Griefhax a Pensieve or something similar; it'd be much easier on Homura than trying to pry her into talking about it.
Higure
Witch of Faith
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- The Golden Land
Wait...we could build that. We know using Grief to move things works...I bet we could make a Witchy Grief Construct that transfers Magic between Soul Gems and Grief Seeds...or stores it and pushes it out of storage into something else...
We could actually make a Catridge System (limited by our range)...huh, you know, if we could make an Enchantment-based one...
Externally powered bow for Madoka?
Or team up with Mami (enchantment expert) and maybe someone else to figure out how to reverse engineer witchy grief constructs using regular magic.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Still salty about letting sayaka walk all over us.
Karnewarrior
Leastmost of the Hanged Man Arcana
I thought I said to do that?
Pensievemind confirmed.
But seriously, we could definitely take a moment to try to grief one up. I'm imagining something like a tiara, a movie projector, and a screen to project onto. Even pictures would be enough.
We should cleanse Homura first though - chances are that we'll be under for a little bit.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I'm gonna say no to Grief Vision.
It'd be intrusive, flashy, and it would take away Homura's freedom to stop without having to tell us to stop.
I think we can talk this through, if Homu is up for it, but we'd need to either go through all important points of canon one by one (omitting PotentialBomb), or guess which points might have changed to cause the divergence and ask about those.
For example, did Kyuubey figure out Homura's powers last loop? - Without KB figuring that, it can't PotentialBomb Homura.
Did Sayaka Witch out, and Madoka and Kyouko try to save her? Did Madoka get Witchbombed? - Without being Witchbombed, Madoka can't Wish to take care of all Witches.
What other reasons could there be for Madoka's Wish to have changed?
I'd love to binge PMMM right now, but haven't got the time.
It'd be intrusive, flashy, and it would take away Homura's freedom to stop without having to tell us to stop.
I think we can talk this through, if Homu is up for it, but we'd need to either go through all important points of canon one by one (omitting PotentialBomb), or guess which points might have changed to cause the divergence and ask about those.
For example, did Kyuubey figure out Homura's powers last loop? - Without KB figuring that, it can't PotentialBomb Homura.
Did Sayaka Witch out, and Madoka and Kyouko try to save her? Did Madoka get Witchbombed? - Without being Witchbombed, Madoka can't Wish to take care of all Witches.
What other reasons could there be for Madoka's Wish to have changed?
I'd love to binge PMMM right now, but haven't got the time.
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Kyubey didn't Show Madoka the history of all magical girls suffering, which Homura wouldn't know about in any case and is the only thing that seems like it didn't happen before in any other known loops.
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
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- The Silver City
It's possible Madoka's wish was changed by being MORE informed.
What if Kyubey potentialbombed Madoka instead of Homura?
What if Kyubey potentialbombed Madoka instead of Homura?
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Can I say I love this update?Homura is not good with these 'feeling' things.
Votewise, this is a good start.
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[] Be gently. Offer comfort and be ready to stop if Homura needs it.
[] You know what happened. How Madoka asked not to let Kyuubey trick her again. What she asked Homura to do.
[] Explain that as far as you understand Madoka, she will always try to help the best she can, even sacrificing herself. The less she knows, the easier it is for Kyuubey to prey on her ignorance.
[] If there's one reason for Madoka to not Wish, it would be knowing how much it would hurt Homura. It'd be for her sake.
[] Ask Homura to consider it, and offer all your help and support.
[] Take a breather. Relax. If Homura's up to it:
-[] Ask about important events from the last canon loop, to check if anything is different.
-[] Was Madoka Witchbombed?
-[] Did Kyuubey figure out Homura's powers?
It would seem at first glance that Madoka made a less well informed Wish, since it was a more general, less focused Wish than the canon one, but maybe?
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
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- The Silver City
Well, wishing away all witches is the wish she makes without realizing her contracting INHERENTLY makes Homura suffer, trying to do the most good so that Homura's efforts weren't in vain.
But imagine the same situation, but Homura doesn't know that the loops are torturing Madoka, and Madoka DOES? She wants to help, the situation seems hopeless, but contracting makes Homura suffer. "I...I wish everything would just be fixed!" Praying that next time, the next loop, everything is fine.
But imagine the same situation, but Homura doesn't know that the loops are torturing Madoka, and Madoka DOES? She wants to help, the situation seems hopeless, but contracting makes Homura suffer. "I...I wish everything would just be fixed!" Praying that next time, the next loop, everything is fine.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Is there a way to find out? Since this would be info Homura does not have, it would be difficult to confirm.
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Potential Bomb wouldn't however cause Madoka to realize this.