Birds of a feather flock together, and we are an exceptional bird.

She's kind of like mirrorverse evil Sabrina.:V

How exactly does Kanna's connecting powers work exactly? Because bringing all of Sabrina's friends with OP powers might possibly be incredibly unwise depending on the answer.

Also, Feathers apparently is more active when Sabrina isn't around. And Sabrina's isn't going around for like half the day.
 
She's kind of like mirrorverse evil Sabrina.:V

How exactly does Kanna's connecting powers work exactly? Because bringing all of Sabrina's friends with OP powers might possibly be incredibly unwise depending on the answer.
The exact phrasing she used when she made her wish was, "I want the power to connect to others without drawing attention. I'll watch her (Niko) and burn her death into my eyes." Her power explicitly works by being able to connect to other Magical Girls in order to use their abilities, as well as connecting the powers that she has in order to make new results. She can also use magic strings from her hands (basically puppet strings) in order to attack or restrain enemies.

Obviously, she has to be aware of a person's existence and who they are in order to connect with them. Also, it seems that even after the original person's death, that she can still use their magic, as shown with her being able to use Niko's magic long after she turned into a Witch.
 
The exact phrasing she used when she made her wish was, "I want the power to connect to others without drawing attention. I'll watch her (Niko) and burn her death into my eyes." Her power explicitly works by being able to connect to other Magical Girls in order to use their abilities, as well as connecting the powers that she has in order to make new results. She can also use magic strings from her hands (basically puppet strings) in order to attack or restrain enemies.

Obviously, she has to be aware of a person's existence and who they are in order to connect with them. Also, it seems that even after the original person's death, that she can still use their magic, as shown with her being able to use Niko's magic long after she turned into a Witch.

Yeah, still not sure if it's a good idea to introduce time-stop, precognition, and anti-magic to her power-set.:V Her power might not work on Sabrina. Sayaka's didn't, though I wouldn't count on her not being able to use grief-bending.
 
Yeah, still not sure if it's a good idea to introduce time-stop, precognition, and anti-magic to her power-set.:V Her power might not work on Sabrina. Sayaka's didn't, though I wouldn't count on her not being able to use grief-bending.
Using magic to copy antimagic sounds a little queer, don't you think? :V
Kirika is basically our trump card when it comes to dealing with wacky bullshit, though, so she's pretty much on the team no matter what.
 
More seriously, I think this is the argument set:

Mami probably won't come because school.
Sayaka, same thing.
Homura won't come because Madoka.
Kyouko won't come because Yuma.
Yuma won't come because Kyouko.
Frankly? I'd love to bring Kirika and Oriko. I'd rather not separate them for now, and it'd be good to get them out of the house. Obviously that's a controversial suggestion. There's as many ways bringing in Oriko could go right as ways it could go wrong. But it's something I'd like people to consider.

... Oriko might object to it, lol.
 
Funnily enough, if we reveal to Kanna Hijiri her our origins, she might declare us her Onee-San/Nii-chan and try to become our new BestBuddy. After all, her Generic Villain Plan would fall under her Definition of Fix Everything, and we're also attempting to turn Greif Seeds into a race of Magical Artificial Superhumans by resurrecting them, which is pretty much her plan but without killing all humans (Kasumi was kinda bullshit, ya gotta admit. A stable version made with a Clear Seed would be F*ing bananas). The biggest thing is that we gotta make her dump her "kill all humans" part of her plan and its all golden.

But again, she was handled really really stupidly by the Manga. So her motivations and plans might be totally different. It is gonna be up to Firn if we even get a chance to social her in the first place, let alone have a chance of actually working. We just gotta be better at Identifying Brain Damage than we were with Hamasaki (Water Controlling "security" MG).
 
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Funnily enough, if we reveal to Kanna Hijiri her our origins, she might declare us her Onee-San/Nii-chan and try to become our new BestBuddy. After all, her Generic Villain Plan would fall under her Definition of Fix Everything, and we're also attempting to turn Greif Seeds into a race of Magical Artificial Superhumans by resurrecting them, which is pretty much her plan but without killing all humans (Kasumi was kinda bullshit, ya gotta admit. A stable version made with a Clear Seed would be F*ing bananas). The biggest thing is that we gotta make her dump her "kill all humans" part of her plan and its all golden.

But again, she was handled really really stupidly by the Manga. So her motivations and plans might be totally different. It is gonna be up to Firn if we even get a chance to social her in the first place, let alone have a chance of actually working. We just gotta be better at Identifying Brain Damage than we were with Hamasaki (Water Controlling "security" MG).

Somehow I doubt Firn has left intact the piece of lore that would let us instantly defuse the main antagonist.
 
Hopefully the defusing goes better than it did than with the last few antagonists.:V Oriko was threatened into compliance with a fate worse than death and Akiko went catatonic after attempts at diplomacy completely failed.
 
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Funnily enough, if we reveal to Kanna Hijiri her our origins, she might declare us her Onee-San/Nii-chan and try to become our new BestBuddy. After all, her Generic Villain Plan would fall under her Definition of Fix Everything, and we're also attempting to turn Greif Seeds into a race of Magical Artificial Superhumans by resurrecting them (Kasumi was kinda bullshit, ya gotta admit. A stable version made with a Clear Seed would be F*ing bananas). The biggest thing is that we gotta make her dump her "kill all humans" part of her plan and its all golden.

But again, she was handled really really stupidly by the Manga. So her motivations and plans might be totally different. It is gonna be up to Firn if we even get a chance to social her in the first place, let alone have a chance of actually working.
Not really. Her whole reason behind her revenge plot for Nico is because she believes that the latter more or less just made her existence in a roundabout manner just to feel better about her past. Kanna even points out that if Nico wanted to, she could have just wished to erase her own memories of the incident and lived a regular life. Instead, Nico made an ideal version of herself that knew nothing of the incident and live the ideal life that Nico wanted. There's also the case that over the course of Kanna's entire time with living with her family, she was living such a happy life to the point that she didn't even know about the gun incident until she bothered to look it up, implying that her parents pretty much were just shoving the incident under the metaphorical bus and lying by omission to her.

It started with revenge on Nico, but after she started to watch the Pleiades and realized how they're kind of obsessed, horrible people, she extended her plan to all the Pleiades. The only person she really wanted to save was Kazumi, and that was because she felt a sort of kinship with her as artificial beings made out of the selfish desires of the Pleiades. Eventually, her complex she had about being an artificial person kinda made her mental state go downhill until she decided to basically replace all the regular humans with artificial people.

Long story short, she has a lot of reason to be pissed off, and simple diplomacy won't solve it that easily.
 
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Not really. Her whole reason behind her revenge plot for Nico is because she believes that the latter more or less just made her existence in a roundabout manner just to feel better about her past. Kanna even points out that if Nico wanted to, she could have just wished to erase her own memories of the incident and lived a regular life. Instead, Nico made an ideal version of herself that knew nothing of the incident and live the ideal life that Nico wanted. There's also the case that over the course of Kanna's entire time with living with her family, she was living such a happy life that she didn't even know about the gun incident until she bothered to look it up, implying that her parents pretty much were just shoving the incident under the metaphorical bus and lying by omission to her.

It started with revenge on Nico, but after she started to watch the Pleiades and realized how they're kind of obsessed, horrible people, she extended her plan to all the Pleiades. The only person she really wanted to save was Kazumi, and that was because she felt a sort of kinship with her as artificial beings made out of the selfish desires of the Pleiades. Eventually, her complex she had about being an artificial person kinda made her mental state go downhill until she decided to basically replace all the regular humans with artificial people.

Long story short, she has a lot of reason to be pissed off, and simple diplomacy won't solve it that easily.
Sabrina can play up the "artificial person" angle, too. Maybe. Sabrina's origins are a mystery, of course, but there should be enough parallels for at least some sympathy in both directions.
 
Sabrina can play up the "artificial person" angle, too. Maybe. Sabrina's origins are a mystery, of course, but there should be enough parallels for at least some sympathy in both directions.
She's also a sucker for (melo)dramatic speeches, if I recall correctly, so it might be the one time that hamming it up won't completely ruin our SOCIAL.
 
Sabrina can play up the "artificial person" angle, too. Maybe. Sabrina's origins are a mystery, of course, but there should be enough parallels for at least some sympathy in both directions.
Kanna's reason for existing is because her original self wanted to make her pseudo-escapism version of herself real after she accidentally shot some kids when they were playing with a gun. Sabrina's version for existing probably doesn't even compare.

Kanna can connect to Kazumi because they were both created through the selfish desires of their creators in order to feel better about the tragic events of their pasts.
 
Kanna's reason for existing is because her original self wanted to make her pseudo-escapism version of herself real after she accidentally shot some kids when they were playing with a gun. Sabrina's version for existing probably doesn't even compare.

Depends on how you look at it. Existential crisis aside, Kanna was set up to live a happy normal life. If you want to be uncharitable, Sabrina was immediately forced to become a magical girl to not die and was saddled with the immense responsibility of "fixing" everything. Or at the very least, preventing the creation of a planet eating Witch because of the actions and shortcomings of a couple of people.

Their problems are pretty different though, so not sure if they can even relate.
 
The exact phrasing she used when she made her wish was, "I want the power to connect to others without drawing attention. I'll watch her (Niko) and burn her death into my eyes." Her power explicitly works by being able to connect to other Magical Girls in order to use their abilities, as well as connecting the powers that she has in order to make new results. She can also use magic strings from her hands (basically puppet strings) in order to attack or restrain enemies.

Obviously, she has to be aware of a person's existence and who they are in order to connect with them. Also, it seems that even after the original person's death, that she can still use their magic, as shown with her being able to use Niko's magic long after she turned into a Witch.

It's worth noting that Hijiri only ever uses the Pleiades' power set outside of her controlling Witches thing, and that she's unable to counter Kazumi!guca's new powers. Either because she's locked in to the original Pleiades' power sets, or maybe she literally can only copy someone's powers if they don't know that she is.

Kanna's reason for existing is because her original self wanted to make her pseudo-escapism version of herself real after she accidentally shot some kids when they were playing with a gun. Sabrina's version for existing probably doesn't even compare.

Kanna can connect to Kazumi because they were both created through the selfish desires of their creators in order to feel better about the tragic events of their pasts.

I fully agree, but perhaps if we just say that we were "created to fix everything", it might let her fill in blanks favorably.
 
Funnily enough, if we reveal to Kanna Hijiri her our origins, she might declare us her Onee-San/Nii-chan and try to become our new BestBuddy. After all, her Generic Villain Plan would fall under her Definition of Fix Everything, and we're also attempting to turn Greif Seeds into a race of Magical Artificial Superhumans by resurrecting them, which is pretty much her plan but without killing all humans (Kasumi was kinda bullshit, ya gotta admit. A stable version made with a Clear Seed would be F*ing bananas). The biggest thing is that we gotta make her dump her "kill all humans" part of her plan and its all golden.

But again, she was handled really really stupidly by the Manga. So her motivations and plans might be totally different. It is gonna be up to Firn if we even get a chance to social her in the first place, let alone have a chance of actually working. We just gotta be better at Identifying Brain Damage than we were with Hamasaki (Water Controlling "security" MG).
I'm a sucker for convince someone to join your side and suceed scene and one less problem for Sabrina is always welcome thing for me.

That said considering from what i read above it's still early for me to judge and i will have to wait unitl Sabrina meet her.
 
I'm a sucker for convince someone to join your side and suceed scene and one less problem for Sabrina is always welcome thing for me.

That said considering from what i read above it's still early for me to judge and i will have to wait unitl Sabrina meet her.
Fly in, kick the shit out of them, then make friends over tea is how we roll in Gensokyo Mitakihara.
 
Homura won't come because Madoka.
Kyouko won't come because Yuma.
Yuma won't come because Kyouko.
Frankly? I'd love to bring Kirika and Oriko. I'd rather not separate them for now, and it'd be good to get them out of the house. Obviously that's a controversial suggestion. There's as many ways bringing in Oriko could go right as ways it could go wrong. But it's something I'd like people to consider.

... Oriko might object to it, lol.
Bringing O&K would be ideal.

The problem is that Homu won't trust them with our life.

That's why it was brought up bringing all three of them, because this way Homu can keep an eye on O&K, who are out of the city, so not a threat to Madoka, who can be watched by Sayaka and Mami.

I fully agree, but perhaps if we just say that we were "created to fix everything", it might let her fill in blanks favorably.
Just give that hoe a hug.

She'll love hugs. We must be around lvl 50 at least at hug-giving. :V

Fly in, kick the shit out of them, then make friends over tea is how we roll in Gensokyo Mitakihara.
Remember we're supposed to invite them for tea at our place.

We can facilitate travel, I'm sure.
 
Voting's open, but maybe we can hash out plans before casting votes?

[ ] Thank Oriko.
[ ] Plan to bring: Homura, Oriko, and Kirika. Tomorrow during school hours. Ask opinions.
[ ] Ask Mami to contact Kazusa.
-[ ] Expand here.

This is my idea; let everyone know about that team composition first, then call Kazusa. Team composition is subject to change, and Mami probably needs comforting.

[ ] Thank Oriko.
[ ] Ask Mami to contact Kazusa.
-[ ] Expand.

The more popular idea, I think, is to just talk with Kazusa first before proposing anything.

"Truth be told, it is hard to make sense of it, with my powers faded,"
"I am uncertain," Oriko says, frowning and rubbing at her temple. "It is emotional, and you are at odds with it." She sighs. "I apologise. I cannot see any clearer than that."
[ ] You know Oriko, for a moment there it sounded like your powers were coming back.

I mean, forget for a moment about Oriko's powers having faded completely, then re-read these quotes.
 
[ ] You know Oriko, for a moment there it sounded like your powers were coming back.
Nah, let her figure it out herself. Definitely don't get her hopes up. I think that we do want to subtly poke Kirika about it, though. Just let her know that a Magical Girl's signature powers are related to their wish, and that rejecting the Wish can cause the power to atrophy. She's sharp, she'll figure out what we're pointing her at and what it means if Oriko's powers are subtly coming back. And then she'll be sitting there ready to stabilize Oriko when she realizes - remember that Priority One on Oriko getting her powers back is "make sure they aren't fucking with her again", and Kirika's guaranteed to be the first responder to Oriko regaining her foresight. Oriko'd probably going to be a little bit shaken and it's important for someone there to understand and be ready to support her.

edit: Or, as the case may be, take full advantage of whatever lovey-dovey epiphany Oriko may have. :p
 
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One thing to consider with Kanna Hijiri and Airi Anri is that both of them wished for revenge. As such it's worth considering that giving up that revenge may well constitute rejecting their wish. Thankfully, if the way we react any time we seriously consider turning someone into a witch is any indication, it may be easy enough to check that if we can get to talk to them on speaking terms. (and if we can't it doesn't matter anyways)

Anyways, some suggested additions to the vote:

[ ]Ask Oriko whether she saw Hijiri connect with our powers, or those of girls we brought with us.
Because there has been discussion on the matter and this heavily influences who we can bring.

[ ]Ask Kirika if she can look up recent news of bomb threats in Asunaro.
With a changed story, a false negative is quite possible, but if we do have news of it we have a rough idea of where we are in the story.

[ ] Contact Sayaka as soon as you get a chance:
-[ ]you were a complete idiot and forgot to fill her in [on the metabomb] last night, need to talk to her in private when you get the chance.
Not truly relevant right this vote, but we should at least make a note of it, may be worth including in the end if it can be fit.
 
I'm firmly in the "Speak to Kazusa before deciding on team composition" camp. We can bring up that if things have gone bad then there's infohazards out there that might place Mami in danger, so we're loathe to bring her along and put her at any risk, but that's not certain yet.

Basically everything hinges on Kazusa. If we call her and she answers with "ALL MY FRIENDS ARE WITCHING OUT AROUND ME AND MY SOUL GEM IS GOING BLACK GOODBYE" then we know it's probably best not to include Mami in the team.

Otherwise, as stated before, it would be very rude not to let her come along if we met with the Pelaides in person.


Contacting Sayaka might want to wait. It's a decent-sized bomb, so she should be mollified if we just tell her the truth and say we wanted to make sure that we're dispensing everything in chunks big enough to digest and not black her gem.
 
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Bringing O&K would be ideal.

The problem is that Homu won't trust them with our life.

That's why it was brought up bringing all three of them, because this way Homu can keep an eye on O&K, who are out of the city, so not a threat to Madoka, who can be watched by Sayaka and Mami.

That sort of discussion would need an actual discussion and not a normal vote.

I categorically do not support bringing Homura. I think that having both Sabrina and Homura outside of Mitakihara while leaving Mami, Sayaka, and Madoka there, and having that situation persist for a long period of time is insanity.

Ask the question, "Under what circumstances could we feasibly lose Mami, Sayaka, or Madoka?"

Virtually all answers begin with "well, if neither Sabrina nor Homura was there..."

It's foolishness and I'll have no part in it. If we need and/or want support from Homura, we should consider longer-distance options. We're certainly capable of surviving being at ground-zero of a missile strike, for instance, or a bombing. Homura is almost certainly in posession of or capable of acquiring military aircraft, a Mitakihara-based airstrike via timestop is an option. Given the urban environment that's probably undesirable; however, by the same token, if we actually ended up needing to be bailed out, the same premise permits rapid travel to Asunaro in timestop.

If it's a safety concern on Homura's part, then I... I don't even know how to reply to that. Probably something along the lines of *creates paranoia constructs*, along with the previous paragraph, and a "yes it's a risk but the potential reward is high and I'm op."

Otherwise, as stated before, it would be very rude not to let her come along if we met with the Pelaides in person.

You say "let" I say "school." Where are we not letting her come along? If Mami decides she wants to come we're damn well taking her.
 
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If it's a safety concern on Homura's part, then I... I don't even know how to reply to that. Probably something along the lines of *creates paranoia constructs*, along with the previous paragraph, and a "yes it's a risk but the potential reward is high and I'm op."
Homu wouldn't let us have Oriko tag along with us back then when Oriko was using our Grief Anti Pain Ring, even if we'd leave Kirika behind.

She sure as hell won't give Oriko and Kirika a chance to be alone with us in the middle of nowhere.

Taking Oriko and Kirika requires taking at least someone else, and then Homu is still likely to veto it.

One thing to consider with Kanna Hijiri and Airi Anri is that both of them wished for revenge. As such it's worth considering that giving up that revenge may well constitute rejecting their wish. Thankfully, if the way we react any time we seriously consider turning someone into a witch is any indication, it may be easy enough to check that if we can get to talk to them on speaking terms. (and if we can't it doesn't matter anyways)

Anyways, some suggested additions to the vote:

[ ]Ask Oriko whether she saw Hijiri connect with our powers, or those of girls we brought with us.
Because there has been discussion on the matter and this heavily influences who we can bring.

[ ]Ask Kirika if she can look up recent news of bomb threats in Asunaro.
With a changed story, a false negative is quite possible, but if we do have news of it we have a rough idea of where we are in the story.

[ ] Contact Sayaka as soon as you get a chance:
-[ ]you were a complete idiot and forgot to fill her in [on the metabomb] last night, need to talk to her in private when you get the chance.
Not truly relevant right this vote, but we should at least make a note of it, may be worth including in the end if it can be fit.

[ ] Ask Oriko if she saw Hijiri 'connecting' with the powers of any non-Pleiades magical girl.
[ ] Ask Kirika if she can quickly look up recent news of bomb threats in Asunaro.
[ ] Thank Oriko.
-[Q] With hugs.
[ ] Ask Mami to contact Kazusa.
-[ ] NiceBrina. Standard spiel about helping Magical Girls with our powers. If she refutes us saying she's got her own Grief cleansing, show curiosity and admit you have other reasons you want to visit, which would be better talked in person.

I think telling Sayaka (and Madoka?) about metabomb can be left for later.

We also have to tell Kyuoko about Sayatraining.
 
On party composition, we could pose the problem to the group, just say "We're not going alone, that would be stupid", and let Homura figure out the problem herself? If the ideas come from insider her she'll be far less likely to veto them out of hand. But then we'd need a way to dissuade Mami. Bleh.
 
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