If their not in a barrier then their not in a space were their warping reality to their tastes, meaning their not changing the laws because they feel they don't need to.

*Looks at Wally's circus.*

Lol sure. Also like, dude. You're saying this in PMAS. A quest where we play a protagonist who does Witchy Reality Warping all the time. Like, outside of a barrier.

What the fuck?
 
*Looks at Wally's circus.*

Lol sure. Also like, dude. You're saying this in PMAS. A quest where we play a protagonist who does Witchy Reality Warping all the time. Like, outside of a barrier.

What the fuck?
If their not in a barrier then their not in a space were their warping reality to their tastes, meaning their not changing the laws because they feel they don't need to.
PRE-EMPTIVE ATTACK! Everybodies buddies here, right?
Have a Koko and Yuma!

:lol
 
Hey guys so who wants to get stabbed in the emotions?

Someone reminded me that in the official novel, Homura does in fact have parents, but that she never sees them because they're overworking themselves to pay for her monstrous medical bills.

This isn't a contradiction to anything I said in my "Homura is an Orphan" megapost, as I already said a lot of "orphans" in Japan are just effectively disowned. Due to Japanese negligence laws, children who can't be satisfactorily supervised by their guardians can have orphanages look after them without waiving their parental rights.

In such a case, a lot of the problems of Japanese orphanages still apply in full, and these children are often the ones paraded to social workers in clean clothing and full bellies when they come a-knockin' checking to see if their tax money is being spent properly.

Also these children are usually horribly bullied by the Actually-Orphan kids. There was one case in 2008 where a girl killed herself because the other kids kept destroying her property and poisoning her meals with cigarette ash they dug out of the garbage. She was apparently pressured not to report it to her parents on their visitations by the staff because it would've been "anti-social" because Japanese Values Dissonance.

So take everything I said before, add possible bullying, and definitely add Homura thinking her parents abandoned her, guilt over being a constant burden of them probably affirmed by their rare visitations and constant weariness when they visited, and also make her parents suffer with the stress of constant financial burden and overworking to the detriment of everything else in their lives for their daughter's sake.

You're welcome.
 
Like, outside of a barrier.
orarewe

Someone reminded me that in the official novel, Homura does in fact have parents, but that she never sees them because they're overworking themselves to pay for her monstrous medical bills.

Wait, that's canon? I thought I remembered a discussion about this a while back (might have been here, might have been PLHM) when it was just a theory and it wasn't plausible because the Japanese healthcare system isn't the US healthcare system. Though you might know more about the Japanese healthcare system than I was able to look up on Wikipedia at the time.
 
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Wait, that's canon? I thought I remembered a discussion about this a while back (might have been here, might have been PLHM) when it was just a theory and it wasn't plausible because the Japanese healthcare system isn't the US healthcare system. Though you might know more about the Japanese healthcare system than I was able to look up on Wikipedia at the time.

It's in the official Madoka novelization.

Now whether it's canon to the anime...
 
*Looks at Wally's circus.*

Lol sure. Also like, dude. You're saying this in PMAS. A quest where we play a protagonist who does Witchy Reality Warping all the time. Like, outside of a barrier.

What the fuck?
We don't warp reality we warp grief. The only warping of reality that we did was when the wish was made that granted us control over grief, warping of reality is when you fuck with said laws of existence, like for instance ignoring gravity, which is something we have yet to do. (then again if their is specific instances you would like to quote at me then do so).
 
We don't warp reality we warp grief. The only warping of reality that we did was when the wish was made that granted us control over grief, warping of reality is when you fuck with said laws of existence, like for instance ignoring gravity, which is something we have yet to do. (then again if their is specific instances you would like to quote at me then do so).
What is grief? And how are we using it to do things like, I don't know, produce unlimited photons, without screwing with the "laws of reality" at least a little?
 
Do you read? Reality has already been bent. Due to wish.
Grief creates enchantments, which are magic. Grief therefore does magic. Really, it can create whatever we want, that's fucking magic.

Unless you want to claim that all magical girls are once-and-done and their wishes all create special exceptions for them and magical girls never do magic except for their wishes? No. Mami does magic whenever she uses her ribbons. She wished and got ribbon control, and now she uses her ribbons to do magic. We wished and got grief control, and now we use our grief to do magic.
 
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Unless you want to claim that all magical girls are once-and-done and their wishes all create special exceptions for them and magical girls never do magic except for their wishes?
yep. Each magic girl can only do certain things which is granted to them via their 'wish', these things are powered via their 'magic' which is based off of emotional energy. The only exaptation I have seen against this is GOD Madoka, and DEVIL Homura who sadly don't count because they are omnipotent beings and as stated by Aura are not allowed to be counted in this dissuasion because it would win me the argument.
 
yep. Each magic girl can only do certain things which is granted to them via their 'wish', these things are powered via their 'magic' which is based off of emotional energy. The only exaptation I have seen against this is GOD Madoka, and DEVIL Homura who sadly don't count because they are omnipotent beings and as stated by Aura are not allowed to be counted in this dissuasion because it would win me the argument.

Um, I said they couldn't be counted for bypassing the damage reductions of non-conceptual entities. They're TOTALLY relevant for what counts as magic or reality-warping.

Like, a wish determines your power set, but you're still doing magic after your wish, and are still warping reality. We know this because a Soul Gem is the karmic price for the granting of a Wish (according to Ai), and every magical effect is paid for in Grief, meaning they're all separate reality-warps.

And Homura didn't become Homucifer because of her wish. She did so because of Ai. So...your entire hypothesis here completely unravels under scrutiny.

No, I play by rules and people gang up on me, when these rules are imposed by the individuals ganging up on me I lose the desire to play nice.

Then don't post passive-aggressive bullshit like "can you read?" or otherwise insulting your debate partner's intelligence or honesty, as you've been doing pretty much the whole time.
 
No, I play by rules and people gang up on me, when these rules are imposed by the individuals ganging up on me I lose the desire to play nice.
I'm sorry you feel that way @Specks, I didnt know that's what it felt like to ya.

People "gang up on you" because you are often wrong and turn into an asshole when people challenge you on it.
Then don't post passive-aggressive bullshit like "can you read?" or otherwise insulting your debate partner's intelligence or honesty, as you've been doing pretty much the whole time.
Hey hey! This is ganging up, right?

If everybody could take a step back, watch a funny video or a good book or something to clear your head a bit, that'd be cool!
Heck, i dunno just do something else for a bit then come back
 
Um, I said they couldn't be counted for bypassing the damage reductions of non-conceptual entities. They're TOTALLY relevant for what counts as magic or reality-warping.
No, it's not because the laws of reality are generally the same level or higher then non-conceptual entities.
Like, a wish determines your power set, but you're still doing magic after your wish, and are still warping reality. We know this because a Soul Gem is the karmic price for the granting of a Wish (according to Ai), and every magical effect is paid for in Grief, meaning they're all separate reality-warps.

And Homura didn't become Homucifer because of her wish. She did so because of Ai. So...your entire hypothesis here completely unravels under scrutiny.
1. Nope, the wish grants the capabilities of being a Magical girl, weather it's a price or not does not change the fact that the girls are granted to abilities the are on the same level as laws.
2. Why on earth does it matter how Homura became a God? has literally no meaning to the argument at hand science the point is omnipotent beings are not allowed at all.
People "gang up on you" because you are often wrong and turn into an asshole when people challenge you on it.
If I am wrong, then why do multiple people need to work together to prove it, and generally I escalate after the other do first.
It's canonical that magical girls can learn magic outside of their wish.
Examples please?
 
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