AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
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...Which is literally what I'm proposing. And which we've already started on doing.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
It's a good idea.
I'm glad I thought of it.
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
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- Somewhere Offscreen
I was thinking we could show Madoka Episode 10, so she'd understand what Homura has been through and is trying to prevent. (Maybe edit out the Tetris scene?) I don't want to show her Episode 12, lest it give her ideas of trying the same thing her other self did. Likewise for showing Homura Rebellion, because I think that could mess her up. You're the one who said that you thought our presence has changed things enough that Rebellion couldn't happen; if so, the it's not relevant and making them see it would just cause needless angst for them.
It really can't. The lives of every girl that can't get regular visits from Sabrina depends on it.
If we start dewitching without having an alternative for Seeds, we'll be essentially shrinking their food supply while increasing their population. Witchouts will skyrocket.
Not to mention that as long as girls are using Grief Seeds, those Seeds will get filled up and fed to Kyubey. Those girls won't get to be dewitched. They're lost forever.
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- Voidbetweenstars
The assumption that you can dewitch is what amuses me.
Muramasa
Best Girl
Or we could develop dewitching and alternative cleansing in a relatively short time frame? I mean just because we manage dewitching doesn't mean we're going to immediately convert every clear seed. Even if we wanted to, the logistics currently make that too difficult and implausible.
- Location
- Borneo
The fact that you don't believe we can until we've proven we can't is a bit disheartening...
Why do you think so?
Honest question here.
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- Voidbetweenstars
Cause short of a direct wish there is no known way to even come close to dewitching, Even madoka for all her power simply goes about by preventing the witch from coming about.
A magical girl is made up of hope, and grief because a wish is based on hope but what is hope based on but a desire to change a grievance that one has with how the world is?
To truly change a witch back into a magical girl, well first you would need to see a witches birth, because it is not simply the soul filling with grief, after all
Looking at the one clear example of an average witchout shows the gem
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
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- The Silver City
Look. Step 1) Create dewitching, so that we can defuse the witchbomb and undo Candeloro if we ever fuck up that hard. 2) Create alternatives to Clear Seeds. Distribute. 3) Unwitch all Grief Seeds.
This isn't difficult.
Kazumi Magica. They would have succeeded if they had legitimate cleansing, AKA Sabrina.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
Ah, but you're neglecting something - Madoka, with all of her absurd potential, wished that everything could be fixed. And witches? Are Broken.
Muramasa
Best Girl
I don't think we necessarily need to wait on the Pleides to kick off dewitching (I mean, they'd be helpful sure, but that's really determined on what their situation is right now in PMAS. For all we know Michiru is fine and none of the group's even been witchbombed yet).
If we can get in some worthwhile enchantment sessions we could make a dewitching attempt as early as tomorrow (granted that would require Homu's help and a time stop session but it's certainly within the realm of possibility.).
If we can get in some worthwhile enchantment sessions we could make a dewitching attempt as early as tomorrow (granted that would require Homu's help and a time stop session but it's certainly within the realm of possibility.).
UbeOne
Daydreaming CPU
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- Philippines
- Pronouns
- She/Her
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- Voidbetweenstars
Yes and by the incubators thinking humanity as a whole is broken., or you know utterly insane, so please stop trying to say what madoka's wish could lead to after all if something ceases to exist it no longer broken right, or rather madoka's wish could simply been brought about via the canon ending, and yet here we are (hell for all we know we could be the witch to madoka's wish after all we kinda are a system breaker right)?
I am not saying that its impossible to undo a witch, I am simply saying that undoing a single witch is the = to a wish in the first place.
having never read Kazumi Magica thus I don't know weather or not you are correct or simply bending what you see into a palatable fantasy, after all isn't that the story were they completely go rid of kuybey before the story even started?
Muramasa
Best Girl
That's not how wishes work in PMMM or PMAS proper.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
It's based on what Madoka thinks was broken. Obviously. And equally obviously, nonexistent things aren't fixed any more then they're broken. And finally, and yet again quite obviously, the canon ending of PMMM has not taken place in PMAS.
In addition to spending the effort to make your posts more legible, I recommend you make sure you actually understand the points you're arguing against.
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
- Location
- The Silver City
What the Incubators think doesn't fucking matter, they didn't make the wish.
In Kazumi Magica, the Pleiades Saints create a fake Incubator they think can cleanse Soul Gems without Grief Seeds (it can't, it's just polishing the color), and manage to successfully turn a witch into a humanoid form that can think and feel and believe itself to be a kindhearted, altruistic human. The only flaws were 1) Kazumi had amnesia and was a clone, thus Michiru (the girl who witched out) wasn't technically saved. 2) Kazumi wasn't stable, but there were external factors fucking with her and trying to turn her back into a Witch, 3) Jubey didn't work as intended, so the Pleiades all grief-spiral around Kazumi and everything goes to total shit.
However, in the end Kazumi is considered to have her own soul, and can thus wish, and she uses it to fix what she can and become a true human Puella Magi. So the Pleiades technically succeeded.
Sabrina could negate points 2 and 3, and through Clear Seed fuckery could probably have turned the original Michiru Grief Seed back into a Soul Gem if combined with the talents of the Pleiades, which are honestly really bullshit conceptual abilities.
Dragonjackel
GOLDEN Judgement
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- Gregory House
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The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
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- Somewhere Offscreen
That might happen or it might not. We have no way of knowing how long the development process will take.
Either way, cleansing should be developed first because it's time sensitive and dewitching isn't. The Grief Seeds aren't going to get any worse off with time, but each day more magical girls witch out and more filled Seeds disappear into Kyubey's maw.
That's all that Madokami can do, but that's also all that she wished for the power to do. It's possible that if she made a different wish, she could have.
I don't know if dewitching is possible or not. If it is possible, I don't know how long it will take. I do suspect that if it is possible, it will not be easy.
ABANDON ALL HOPE, YE WHO ENTER HERE.
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- South Africa
The PSP game proves nothing of the sort, because events don't stop happening after game over. You can't prove that she didn't contract the day after the game ends.
Defeating Wally achieves basically nothing. Kyuubey still wants Madoka just as much, only now, he knows that guns as small as Wally won't cut it, so he has to throw bigger things into the equation.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
You really don't understand how KB works.
Anyway, if you really feel the need to know what happens afterwards, that's what Owrd of God is for; I'm pretty Aura's brought it up a couple of times that Madoka would go on and grow up from her depressed teenagers phase and KB would have to give up con Contracting her, since not even Walpurgisnacht was enough to force her hand.
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
Guys, it won't really matter how motivated Kyubey is once we've Gretchenbombed Madoka. If she knows that her making a wish will destroy the world, then no amount of ennui or peril will get her to contract. Kyubey might keeping trying shit, but it'd never succeed.
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- South Africa
Urobuchi has openly admitted to not understanding characters he's written before. Statements he's made about Kyuubey convince me the same applies here. Kyuubey's character means it's impossible for him to refuse to escalate ever more until he gets what he wants. I would not be surprised if he told Madoka that he would vaporise one human city every hour until she contracts.
EDIT: ^And if he drops ever larger Walpurgisnahts on everyone she loves, one after the other, including herself? Even if she stubbornly refuses, she won't survive long that way.
EDIT: ^And if he drops ever larger Walpurgisnahts on everyone she loves, one after the other, including herself? Even if she stubbornly refuses, she won't survive long that way.
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