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Rem Ipsum said:
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-[jk] Make a tiny chibi version of ourselves
--[jk] And one of Mami!
---[jk] Heck, chibi versions of all of our friends!
---[jk] Hey, it might be useful to keep these lil guys around. They could be butlers!
---[jk] Or servants.
---[jk] Tiny servants who we created through grief magic. Is there a word for that? There's gotta be a word for that.
----[jk] Spin with joy!
----[jk] HUE HUE HUE HUE HUE
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Just,

[Q] Ask Mami if she can make it permanent and you can keep it.
-[Q] Make Chibi Maid Brina for Mami.
--[Q] Closely watch your friends' reactions when they arrive and see the chibis.
 
WELP. I'm not surprised Homura doesn't want anyone copying her powers. That was a No Duh moment.

Secondly, we should let Homura and Mami, at the very least, know about our deeper feelings and give them a chance to reciprocate the emotional help we're constantly giving them.

Onmur said:
OK, I know how we can help Mami.

We make a Chibi-Brina, with the same comparative proportions as the Chibi-Mami.

Then after a while, we subtly increase Chibi-Brina's proportions.

We wait for Mami to notice, and see if she enlarges her Chibi-Mami to match.

I think this might help Mami.
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YASSS

And pfft, no, Tomohisa is canonically a househusband. He doesn't work.

[x] Redshirt Army
 
aeqnai said:
At some point, ignoring Sabrina's feelings for the sake of caution is not really healthier than confessing them, either for Mami or for Sabrina. The gaslighting reference highlights it, but it's hardly the first sign, or even the only sign in the last couple updates, that our attempts to ignore the situation aren't tenable.

Though I'll admit, fucking up the thing because she kept her feelings secret is really in-character for Sabs. You could easily argue secretiveness has been her most defining character flaw thus far.
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Perhaps we should make some effort to determine Mami's view on us with regards to this.

AuraTwilight said:
Secondly, we should let Homura and Mami, at the very least, know about our deeper feelings and give them a chance to reciprocate the emotional help we're constantly giving them.
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Can you elaborate on this? I have ideas but a second opinion would be significantly more than nice.
 
[x] Squee.
-[x] Glomp both Mamis. Mami? What's the plural? Either way, so cute~.
[x] Reply to Homura.
-[x] Uh, the most adorable thing ever is happening right now. Talk in a minute or so.
[x] Ask Mami all the questions.
-[x] Wow! Does that - can she see through it? How autonomous is it? Is she just concentrating on the outer appearance, or...? How has she done this wonderful thing?
[x] Get back to Homura.
-[x] Sorry about that. Mami showed me how she can use ribbons to make a chibi of herself and it's the cutest thing. Anyway, Sayaka not copying powers should be fine. Consider coming anyway? I'd like it if you and Sayaka got along better, and being present at her training would help with that. It's your call. And if you come relatively soonish, you could catch the tail end of me and Mami's testing.
[x] You'll use Mami's name. It is your first laser, so 'First Light' is quite fitting.
-[x] The whole thing needs work before it's ready for prime time also. Shielding issues, dialing in a proper yield, thermal bloom... really, the setup for the attack was more like getting ready to set off a bomb rather than unleashing a directed energy weapon.
-[x] Heh. Maybe 'Finale' should be an attack that can combine with Tiro Finale. Combination attacks would be so cool.
[x] Wait for Homura to get back on attending/not attending before doing 'Good Morning Mitakihara'. You don't want to put her on the spot.


I definitely wasn't expecting chibis, but it's adorable so I'm happy.
 
The Narrator said:
We still need to make those plushies one of these days....
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[Q] Glomp until you snap out of it.
-[Q] Ask Homura to come here urgently!
--[Q] You need her to stop time so you can sew a plushy for Mami!
---[Q] Wait, seriosuly!
----[Q] ... And a Madoka plushy for Homura?

AuraTwilight said:
WELP. I'm not surprised Homura doesn't want anyone copying her powers. That was a No Duh moment.
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She did think about it, at least.

QTesseract said:
[x] You'll use Mami's name.
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"T-Tomoe Sabrina..."
 
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All this talk of making a Chibi-Brina made me have an idea. Wouldn't it be funny if ChiBrina had the was completely serious in contrast to our brain damage? I can just see her as a cute little Tsun-secretary, sitting on Sabrina's shoulder, telling her to hurry up or she'll be late.
 
The Narrator said:
There are still some non-trivial consent issues there. If Mami isn't interested in us (or is interested, but doesn't feel ready to act on it), then her fear of abandonment could drive her to "gaslight" herself into going along with what we want anyway.
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Pretty sure we don't need to do further study to find out if Mami has a crush on Sabrina. Hell, waaaaaaaaaay back in a shopping trip we made the Sayaka wife joke and for an instant Mami got jealous.
TheEyes said:
We're not at all pretending that Sabrina isn't crushing on Mami; we're having Sabrina remind herself that Mami isn't in a headspace where she can properly consider returning Sabrina's feelings. It's not an internal gaslight, as defined in the article, because we're not trying to deny or destroy the feelings themselves, so much as showing consideration for a friend by not putting them in her face when she's dealing with heavier issues.
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Well, I don't mean denying it. I mean not telling her. Yes she's dealing with heavier issues, but what I'm saying is that continuing to leave it unsaid is maybe not as good as we thought it was. Mami will always be dealing with heavier issues- she got stuck in a very bad system and she has more sanity-threatening revelations to go. At some point Sabs is going to have to tell her. Mami, I meant, is likely doing mental gymnastics to fool herself out of seeing the shippy things Sabrina does, and in the meantime is probably nursing her own crush. She's probably a bit torn up about it really- good chance she thinks Sabrina would never return such affections.
 
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RexHeller said:
All this talk of making a Chibi-Brina made me have an idea. Wouldn't it be funny if ChiBrina had the was completely serious in contrast to our brain damage? I can just see her as a cute little Tsun-secretary, sitting on Sabrina's shoulder, telling her to hurry up or she'll be late.
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That'd be cool and all, but... it sounds like it'd be part of a greater Chibi Brina collective to me.

We should have ALL the chibis: GrumpyBrina, ScienceBrina, HugBrina, SillyBrina, NiceBrina, etcBrina, etc., etc....

And when they disagree on something, they cast votes to see who's right. :V
 
I like the suggested changes.

[x] Squee.
-[x] Glomp both Mamis. Mami? What's the plural? Either way, so cute~.
[x] Reply to Homura.
-[x] Uh, the most adorable thing ever is happening right now. Talk in a minute or so.
[x] Ask Mami all the questions.
-[x] Wow! Does that - can she see through it? How autonomous is it? Is she just concentrating on the outer appearance, or...? How has she done this wonderful thing?
[x] Get back to Homura.
-[x] Sorry about that. Mami showed me how she can use ribbons to make a chibi of herself and it's the cutest thing. Anyway, Sayaka not copying your power should be fine. Consider coming anyway? I'd like it if you and Sayaka got along better, and being present at her training would help with that. It's your call. And if you come relatively soonish, you could catch the tail end of me and Mami's testing.
[x] You'll use Mami's name. It is your first laser, so 'First Light' is quite fitting.
-[x] The whole thing needs work before it's ready for prime time also. Shielding issues, dialing in a proper yield, thermal bloom... really, the setup for the attack was more like getting ready to set off a bomb rather than unleashing a directed energy weapon.
-[x] Heh. Maybe 'Finale' should be an attack that can combine with Tiro Finale. Combination attacks would be so cool.
[x] Wait for Homura to get back on attending/not attending before doing 'Good Morning Mitakihara'. You don't want to put her on the spot.
 
The Narrator said:
Do you have this plan written down somewhere? I would like to read it.
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Mrrrrrrr... Okay, let me start putting this in writing. First drafts like this are always done with "argument by example" style, for me.

Also, this is a draft. I haven't put the same level of thought into this as I had when I put out the first copy of the metabomb essay. So, unlike that -- which didn't have holes in it -- this could have issues. It's not even complete. It's just me putting this out because you asked. The only thing I'm confident in, here, is that we can and should tackle the "primary thing" though perhaps not in the format I've laid out, because getting Mami to understand what I have in there is so critical I can't even express in words. Conveying that to her dampens the evil dependency issues considerably, which is invaluable.

Keikaku, at the moment, is pretty general. It boils down to "explain our issues with mamibrina current relationship, then continue being there for Mami" -- improving Mami's understanding of our perception of things is key -- the key, even -- to helping her understand her relationship with us. Fessing up derails, somewhat, maybe. If we decide to do it I'll think about what to change.

> We'll need to talk to Mami and explain to her what her behavior since the lichbomb has made us feel. It will be a tough conversation. But it needs to happen and I think it's doable.
> I plan/ned to do this sunday evening when she starts thinking about having to go to school the next day.
-> The only way to do this is to frame things as "what we feel and why," instead of talking about her actions as the starting point.
!!!-> The primary thing we need to convey is the cycle we're stuck in with her. We like her strong, confident side... We like her for her. And we want to encourage her to stick to her beliefs and values and, and everything. But we're afraid to make big statements -- even little statements, sometimes -- about it because we don't want to do things that could be manipulative, which is a huge list because... Well, because, she likes her drills, right? What if she heard us say that we like straight-haired girls? How would she feel? And there's even another side to the problem, which is that we also have to recognize that because she cares so much about us, and therefore about what we think of things, we can't -- rather, we won't, because we care about her -- do something callous like telling her that she shouldn't ask us about that.
-> Secondary thing: the issues surrounding + causing cycle
---> Mami's fear
---> Normal social being abusive due to fear as unavoidable leverage
---> Our inhibitive caution

Edit: please note that I haven't included all justifications and reasoning for this course of action in this post. Many possible comments are things I'm fully aware of. Many others probably are not.
 
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We should confer with Madoka on the topic of our feelings for Mami and how to handle them considering Mami 's fragile emotional state.
 
[x] Redshirt Army

Also on the Mami issue - remember its been maybe a week since we lichbombed her and made her a limpet. .. we really need someone to post a list of 'its been Y days since X' weekly.
 
Do we know of anyone else who wished for a power, directly or indirectly? Maybe that Yukari girl.
Since we can't have Sayaka copy Homura's power, we need another test subject to see if the power-copying not working is specific to us or not.
 
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