I think this debate is best suited for Mami's Masonette. Although I do like the way @AuraTwilight presents and backs up his arguments.
Mm. Perhaps (need to catch up on that to see the current state). Some of these are moot/impossible points in canon PMMM while capable of having considerable impact for PMAS, depending on your assumptions for it.

However, I think more damningly most of this has come up before (i.e. different KG discossion - hoped it'd go somewhere), making this more of a dust devil.

(Though this applies to most PMAS topics, really.)
 
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I will clarify, for the record, that magical logic, symbolic logic, dream logic, and narrative magic are all the same thing.

No, really, they are. We literally call all of that "Magical thinking."

So honestly if an open-ended wish or something stretches and influences far enough, it's essentially narrative causality where the narrative is the psychodrama of the Magical Girl.

See: Literally all Witch barriers.
 
There's this picture on Tumblr.



So I decided to write an omake about it because it would be funny. Also I was in an omake mood. So have something short?

"Waaaaaaah!" Sabrina yelled as she fell from the skies above Mitakihara Town.

She fell onto the ground below front first, embedding her head into the soft ground beneath her feet.

As she pulled her head out from the green grass, she muttered to herself, "Phew... Good thing I'm indestructible."

She looked at the shield attached to her arm, a copy of Homura's own shield, and thought to herself several ways that the device could be improved. For starters, maybe she should make it so that she would teleport to a timeline where she didn't just appear hundreds of feet in the air. Also, maybe she could make it in the shape of diamond next time, rather than a buckler.

That being said, she had quickly get started on making sure that this timeline wasn't as big of a flop as before. Who would have known that building atomic bombs was harder than it seemed when you don't have an entire team of nuclear physicists? Well, Sabrina had several Ph.Ds in the various sciences, but she was just one girl. Sabrina had no idea that trying a single bomb would take so much time. Also, she had to keep in mind to not let Kirika play around with with uranium. When you were talking about the origins of the term "nuclear football," it didn't meant that the hunk of uranium you had was literally a football.

Sabrina sighed and took a good look around her enviroment. It seemed that she was in the middle of Mitakihara Town Park. As she scanned her enviroment, she spotted Hitomi Shizuki sitting on a bench nearby with a large pair of sunglasses on her face. You had never before seen Hitomi wearing a shades before, so that was at least something funny in this timeline. Was this one of the anomalies in this new world? Hopefully the differences in this timeline would be minor like this...

Watching from a distance after buying a drink from a nearby vending amchine, Sabrina chuckled and muttered to herself, "Nice specs, Hitomi. Who knew high-class ladies would look good in sunglasses."

A voice called out, praising the green-haired girl, "Wow, Hitomi! You look amazing in that."

Sabrina chuckled and commented, "Well, looks like someone else also likes it."

She took a sip of cola and glanced over at Hitomi and her fan...

and immediately spat out her drink, coughing as the soft drink fell down onto the ground.

Sabrina stuttered, "O-O-Oriko!?"

There Oriko Mikuni was, standing right in front of Hitomi without Kirika Kure in sight anywhere. She was normally attached to Oriko every single waking moment of the day? Where could she be? The sunglasses anomaly was one thing, but Kirika not being permanently latched to Oriko was something entirely on a new level!

Hitomi giggled and said, "I am glad that you think that way, Oriko? Do I look radical? I must be quite tubular."

Oriko nodded and told Hitomi, "You look quite swood. Let's drop in a grommet later today."

Hitomi raised her hands into the air and then pointed finger guns at Oriko, smugly grinning at the ash-haired girl. Oriko swooned, placing her hand on her heart and playfully making a fainting motion.

Sabrina took one step back... and then another... and then she immediately began running in the other direction from the two high-class ladies.
 
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Girl: "I would like a paperclip."
Kyuubey: "..." *Put neuralizer away* "Really?"
Girl: "Yes! I love paperclips!"
Kyuubey: "Nobody's ever wanted my paperclips before." *Cries*

And then Kyuubey was a nice, mad incubator.

Kyuubey: I have decided now that I must defend this girl, and this world ... this world that sees the value of paper clips! This I see now, this is my duty!

Kyuubey Overseer: .... we have a rogue one people.
 
Kyuubey: I have decided now that I must defend this girl, and this world ... this world that sees the value of paper clips! This I see now, this is my duty!

Kyuubey Overseer: .... we have a rogue one people.

Incubator Parental Unit: And then the defective node was remotely pruned from the main uplink. And energy collection continued at a logical pace forever after.

Partially Gestated Incubator: I wish to request an additional narrative be imparted to me, to further educate me on the nature of the universe.
 
Kyuubey: I have decided now that I must defend this girl, and this world ... this world that sees the value of paper clips! This I see now, this is my duty!

Kyuubey Overseer: .... we have a rogue one people.

Incubator Parental Unit: And then the defective node was remotely pruned from the main uplink. And energy collection continued at a logical pace forever after.

Partially Gestated Incubator: I wish to request an additional narrative be imparted to me, to further educate me on the nature of the universe.

This sounds like the start for a really funny Incubator Quest...
 
This sounds like the start for a really funny Incubator Quest...

Kyuubey: And how can a man die better, than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his gods.

Kyoko: did you just quote Lord Macaulay and the Lays of Ancient Rome?

Kyuubey: It seemed... suitable?

Sabrina: *looks at Kyoko* How did you even know what this IS?!
 
I was thinking of running it as a serious thing, actually.

An Incubator gains emotions, and knowing it's doomed, contracts itself...What wish makes its newborn soul shine?
 
There's this picture on Tumblr.



So I decided to write an omake about it because it would be funny. Also I was in an omake mood. So have something short?

"Waaaaaaah!" Sabrina yelled as she fell from the skies above Mitakihara Town.

She fell onto the ground below front first, embedding her head into the soft ground beneath her feet.

As she pulled her head out from the green grass, she muttered to herself, "Phew... Good thing I'm indestructible."

She looked at the shield attached to her arm, a copy of Homura's own shield, and thought to herself several ways that the device could be improved. For starters, maybe she should make it so that she would teleport to a timeline where she didn't just appear hundreds of feet in the air. Also, maybe she could make it in the shape of diamond next time, rather than a buckler.

That being said, she had quickly get started on making sure that this timeline wasn't as big of a flop as before. Who would have known that building atomic bombs was harder than it seemed when you don't have an entire team of nuclear physicists? Well, Sabrina had several Ph.Ds in the various sciences, but she was just one girl. Sabrina had no idea that trying a single bomb would take so much time. Also, she had to keep in mind to not let Kirika play around with with uranium. When you were talking about the origins of the term "nuclear football," it didn't meant that the hunk of uranium you had was literally a football.

Sabrina sighed and took a good look around her enviroment. It seemed that she was in the middle of Mitakihara Town Park. As she scanned her enviroment, she spotted Hitomi Shizuki sitting on a bench nearby with a large pair of sunglasses on her face. You had never before seen Hitomi wearing a shades before, so that was at least something funny in this timeline. Was this one of the anomalies in this new world? Hopefully the differences in this timeline would be minor like this...

Watching from a distance after buying a drink from a nearby vending amchine, Sabrina chuckled and muttered to herself, "Nice specs, Hitomi. Who knew high-class ladies would look good in sunglasses."

A voice called out, praising the green-haired girl, "Wow, Hitomi! You look amazing in that."

Sabrina chuckled and commented, "Well, looks like someone else also likes it."

She took a sip of cola and glanced over at Hitomi and her fan...

and immediately spat out her drink, coughing as the soft drink fell down onto the ground.

Sabrina stuttered, "O-O-Oriko!?"

There Oriko Mikuni was, standing right in front of Hitomi without Kirika Kure in sight anywhere. She was normally attached to Oriko every single waking moment of the day? Where could she be? The sunglasses anomaly was one thing, but Kirika not being permanently latched to Oriko was something entirely on a new level!

Hitomi giggled and said, "I am glad that you think that way, Oriko? Do I look radical? I must be quite tubular."

Oriko nodded and told Hitomi, "You look quite swood. Let's drop in a grommet later today."

Hitomi raised her hands into the air and then pointed finger guns at Oriko, smugly grinning at the ash-haired girl. Oriko swooned, placing her hand on her heart and playfully making a fainting motion.

Sabrina took one step back... and then another... and then she immediately began running in the other direction from the two high-class ladies.
"Homuraaaaaa!"

The aforementioned girl startles -amost visible so!- as Sabrina almost runs into her.

"Ow!" yells another girl who crashes into Sabrina's back, after being dragged behind her into a sudden stop.

Sabrina pays no mind to her -forcibly attached- companion, turning with a smile to find not only Homura, but Madoka and Sayaka all together. "Hey..." she pants, "good to... find you all... here."

"Who the hell are you?!" Sayaka's instantly positioned herself between Madoka and the strange foreigner girl, scowling fiercely.

That same girl proceeds to wave her off and ignore her, turning to Homura.

Violet eyes stare back, wary.

"Oh..." Sabrina deflates, but only for a moment, "well-"

"Hey!" interrupts Sayaka, "I asked a question! Who the hell do you think you are?"

Sabrina sighs. "I'll explain if you let me-"

"And who's your friend?" the bleunnete cuts in again, rather uncharitably.

Madoka and Homura blink, turning to look at the second girl who had arrived with the white haired one, seemingly having forgotten about her.

"Eep!" yells the dark haired girl at the sudden attention. "H-hey, I don't know what's going on, I'm not with this crazy, I swear!" she backs away quickly-

Only to freeze at Homura's glare.

"Kure," she snarls.

Kirika shrinks on herself, looking like a little puppy in front of a hungry tiger.

"IF YOU LET ME EXPLAIN," yells Sabrina, stepping between the terrified girl and the irate one, "I'm your daughter from the future!" she exclaims, throwing a side glance at Madoka, before turning back to a bewildered Homura. "I'm here to help you with your greatest mission!"

The long haired girl freezes in her tracks, eyes wide. "You're here..." she whispers, voice trembling, "to kill Walpurgis-?"

"I was, but we've got something more important to do: Undo whatever crazy witchery's befell Hitomi and Oriko! They're acting... wrong!"

Homura's mouth opens... and stays that way, gaping. Slowly, she throws a disbelieving look towards Madoka, who returns it before glancing equally surprised at Sayaka and then at Kirika, both of whom seem to be in shock.

"Oh, thank God," breathes Homura, taking Sabrina's hands to envelop them on her own, "it's so weird..."

In an instant, all the girls surround Sabrina, every single one of them with tears shining in their eyes, giving thanks and offering whatever help they can give.

"You don't know how hard it's been..." laments Sayaka.

"I don't know what I could do, but if there's anything..." hesitates Madoka.

"Hey," Sayaka grabs the pink haired girl in a half hug, "we're Hitomi's friends, if anybody can help, it's us!"

Madoka can only nod, choking back a sob.

"I'm in," states Kirika.

Homura turns towards her, but Kirika doesn't flinch this time. Instead, her eyes shine with determination, like two blazing pools of revitalized fire.

The long haired girl gives her a grudging nod before turning to Sabrina.

"What's the plan?"

Sabrina smirks.

They would save this world.
 
"How do I begin to explain Sabrina Vee?"

Mami said:
"Sabrina Vee is flawless."
Rin said:
"I hear her hair is insured for ten thousand Grief Seeds."
Walpurgisnacht said:
"I hear she does car commercials... in Japan."
Kirika said:
"Her favourite meguca is Mami Tomoe."
Sayaka said:
"One time she met Tomoe Mami on a Mobile Oppression Fortress."
Homura said:
"And she told her she was pretty."
Akiko said:
"One time she smashed me against the ground... it was awesome."
 
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