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Torgamous said:
Or Sasa's dead, or she doesn't exist in this timeline, or she's managed to luck into an anti-scrying effect this time, or it doesn't work when we're in timestop and the target isn't, or Feathers is hanging out with her, or we can only track meguca and she's uncontracted, or we can only track people we've met, or it's a Moriya Shrine conspiracy, or Yukari is fooling around again.

It'd be pretty easy to prove that we can't track anyone ever by trying to track someone who definitely has no mitigating factors and failing. We haven't done that yet.

I'm not saying we need to keep doing science right now, I'm saying if you want to win that bet science is going to have to happen at some point.
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Can I ask you something? Where do you see us continuing to work on the compass idea leading to us finding Sasa and other magical girls sooner then had we just begun our search from this update onward?
 
Torgamous said:
Because we only used the grief book once. The grief book worked while we were within range of something. For you to say it only worked under that condition it would need to have failed to provide information at some point.

You sound very sure of that for someone whose hypothesis has barely begun to be tested.
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Firnagzen said that the grief book worked identically to grief scanners, that it was merely a reskin. Thus both this instance and that one were testing the same phenomenon -- the use of griefbending to gather information.
 
I think this is very likely confirmation that we can't acquire information outside of Sabrina's normal range of perception.
 
AuraTwilight said:
I think this is very likely confirmation that we can't acquire information outside of Sabrina's normal range of perception.
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How about we try to do so unambiguously?
Everytime we have tried(/failed), it has been 'specific'.
This time it was 'Compass that locates Magical Girl Sasa.', so there are at least a few potential fail points to consider.
It is still a learning experience, just one which might not be valid in other situations.

...Also, since it is magic, believing it is impossible might make it so.:p
 
Slith10 said:
How about we try to do so unambiguously?
Everytime we have tried(/failed), it has been 'specific'.
This time it was 'Compass that locates Magical Girl Sasa.', so there are at least a few potential fail points to consider.
It is still a learning experience, just one which might not be valid in other situations.

...Also, since it is magic, believing it is impossible might make it so.:p
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Uh...I'm pretty sure we were just detecting for Sasa Yuuki, period.

And that's not how magic works in PMMM, whatsoever. Magic only fails for emotional/psychological reasons if the Magical Girl is actively rejecting her wish.
 
Let's suppose our range is our pseudo-Barrier and Grief is a reclusive ability that'll only affect things inside it, or something like that.

After that, there's things we can't mess with, like Souls.

AuraTwilight said:
Magic only fails for emotional/psychological reasons if the Magical Girl is actively rejecting her wish.
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Or in this case, trying to get the magic to do something it can't/doesn't want to do. :V
 
Onmur said:
Let's suppose our range is our pseudo-Barrier and Grief is a reclusive ability that'll only affect things inside it, or something like that.

After that, there's things we can't mess with, like Souls.


Or in this case, trying to get the magic to do something it can't/doesn't want to do. :V
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...Read what you quoted again.
 
Stormhawk9891 said:
No, but it causes some MAD hallucinations.
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WARNING: meguca might experience lose of time while gazing into THE SUPER GRIEF BOOK OF ETERNAL DARKNESS DESPAIR. Side effects might include a clean Soul Gem.

WARNING: THE SUPER GRIEF BOOK OF ETERNAL DARKNESS DESPAIR is a written medium and cannot communicate in any other way than written descriptions of matters covered by the THE SUPER GRIEF BOOK OF ETERNAL DARKNESS DESPAIR. In case THE SUPER GRIEF BOOK OF ETERNAL DARKNESS DESPAIR would seem to talk with you, we highly recommend you do not listen to anything it has to say, specially in matters concerning your life, death, or microwaves.

REMINDER: THE SUPER GRIEF BOOK OF ETERNAL DARKNESS DESPAIR cannot, in fact, speak.

WARNING: Do NOT, under ANY circumstance, spill any of the following substances on THE SUPER GRIEF BOOK OF ETERNAL DARKNESS DESPAIR: Blood, red wine, tears, coke zero, red pepper, salt, mercury, or tea.

REMINDER: THE SUPER GRIEF BOOK OF ETERNAL DARKNESS DESPAIR is a book of fairy tales and should only be taken out of its protective casing for the time it is used for the purposes of story telling. Always remember to re-seal THE SUPER GRIEF BOOK OF ETERNAL DARKNESS DESPAIR after reading.

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Mundane Utility + Why make it simple when you can make things horribly complicated? :V
 
Muramasa said:
Do we really need to tell Homu we're going to metabomb Mami? It has more to do with us then it does her. What is the plan if you get stonewalled there?
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We're not asking for permission. I doubt Homura will be comfortable with the idea - I'd be somewhat surprised if we got past the topic without her telling us it's "unnecessary" - but I doubt even more that Homura will attempt to stop Sabrina. As you said, it has more to do with us and Mami than her, and we did earn credit through our serviceable handling of the lichbomb.

More importantly, there is real benefit to telling Homura. It shows her how much we trust Mami, and lets her know that she can trust her likewise. It's also an example; it's a demonstration of accepted vulnerability, an act on the belief that those who deserve to know the truth should be told the truth, no matter how strange, personal, or terrible. We want Homura to believe that, for her sake.

You could argue that it'd be just the same if we told Homura afterward, but I don't think so. After the fact, Homura is more likely to simply accept the information, like she did the lichbomb. Beforehand, we should get a better chance to explain the why, and it should make a difference.

Agent Whiskers said:
I meant in the sense that Sabrina would actually barely be upset about it at all. It's hard for people to take unrequited love well and gracefully.
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Very true, but the love isn't unrequited. And before someone stabs me with a pitchfork, I'm not talking about romantic love. If Mami suddenly turned her back on Sabrina like Kyouko once did to her, Sabrina would be as devastated as you suggest. But the core of their relationship is friendship; if the threads of romance slacken or even snap, but the cord remains, they'll both still be okay.
 
Onmur said:
Ask yourself this:

Is Xelotath a flying squirrel, raven, cat, microwave, or a Sabrina?

If the answer to those of those is 'no', then the answer to your question is definitely not.

:p (I feel I'm forgetting some other animal/being on that list).
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Insanity's a type of brain damage right? Surely brain damage counts, right?
 
[x] Onmur

Not really sure about the last part of the vote as it sound like a bad idea to let grief do what it wants, but it will finally answer that question and having Homura pull us out with time stop seems like enough of a countermeasure. We should also be able to easily take control of our grief again, if things go south.
 
I say our spirit animal should be legion, from mass effect.


Better than GLaDOS, in any case...
 
Julian Bradshaw said:
We're not asking for permission. I doubt Homura will be comfortable with the idea - I'd be somewhat surprised if we got past the topic without her telling us it's "unnecessary" - but I doubt even more that Homura will attempt to stop Sabrina. As you said, it has more to do with us and Mami than her, and we did earn credit through our serviceable handling of the lichbomb.

More importantly, there is real benefit to telling Homura. It shows her how much we trust Mami, and lets her know that she can trust her likewise. It's also an example; it's a demonstration of accepted vulnerability, an act on the belief that those who deserve to know the truth should be told the truth, no matter how strange, personal, or terrible. We want Homura to believe that, for her sake.

You could argue that it'd be just the same if we told Homura afterward, but I don't think so. After the fact, Homura is more likely to simply accept the information, like she did the lichbomb. Beforehand, we should get a better chance to explain the why, and it should make a difference.



Very true, but the love isn't unrequited. And before someone stabs me with a pitchfork, I'm not talking about romantic love. If Mami suddenly turned her back on Sabrina like Kyouko once did to her, Sabrina would be as devastated as you suggest. But the core of their relationship is friendship; if the threads of romance slacken or even snap, but the cord remains, they'll both still be okay.
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Rereading redshirts vote, it does sound like we're asking for permission. I'll have to disagree with you there.

Your other points however are good.

I mean I'm not positive Homura would arrive at the same conclusions you did for discussing the metabomb but it's worth a shot.

@Onmur

Redshirts version of the metabomb talk needs a little rewording but otherwise I'm fine with talking about it in the vote.
 
I didn't intend to make it sound like we're asking for permission. We are metabombing Mami tonight, whatever Homura thinks. I'd edit it... but I'm tired and it looks like @Onmur 's got this. :p

I'll vote for him if he adds telling Homura about what we're doing with Mami to the vote.
 
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