And it seems like from the thread consensus, Sabrina would be totally chill with staying as Mami's platonic BFF if that's what she would want. Huh.

The alternative would be Sabrina insisting on dating Mami if she'd prefer a platonic BFF, which would be really weird. Or not being her friend anymore, which would terrify our personal goddess of victory and pancakes.
 
But what if Mami wants Sabrina to be a tea pot, or a concept, or a martian?
We could make a functioning teapot outfit and with some prep time we could be a better martian than Matt Damon ever was. Being a concept would be difficult, since we've already made a wish, but Homura managed so maybe if we beat up Feathers we could steal her conceptness?
 
The alternative would be Sabrina insisting on dating Mami if she'd prefer a platonic BFF, which would be really weird. Or not being her friend anymore, which would terrify our personal goddess of victory and pancakes.

I meant in the sense that Sabrina would actually barely be upset about it at all. It's hard for people to take unrequited love well and gracefully.

Then again, I suppose it's not that much of a surprise. When we found out that Mami was crushing pretty hard on Sabrina, the general consensus seemed to be "Huh. Well, sure why not? It'd be cute."
 
@Redshirt Army I'm not sure we should give up on the whole "locator amulet" thing. At the very least we can do something like a Marauder's Map, made of Grief, that locates and labels everyone in our range, or maybe a lifesigns detector that locates a specific named person in our range. The point is, we tried one thing, and it didn't work; that just means we need to try a few things and see if anything works. After all, if we have to canvas a whole damn city looking for this person, it'd be much easier to do by making a meguca radar, building our supersonic grief jet, and doing a fast sweep rather than being all slowpokey about it.

I mean, we have time, but we don't have so much time that we want to stop for a third lunch or something. :)
 
Unfortunately, Mami very obviously crushing on Sabrina. Not that it's necessarily a terrible thing. Just makes things a lot more complicated.

And it seems like from the thread consensus, Sabrina would be totally chill with staying as Mami's platonic BFF if that's what she would want. Huh.

Biggest issue with having our relationship with Mami going beyond its current set up of close friends is that Mami is still broken, still dependent on us. But after we get pass that? I think Sabrina will do whatever makes Mami happy. Because while Sabrina cares for everyone our desire as a thread to help Mami means that Sabrina now reguards Mami as someone diffrent from the rest, something perhaps described as precious.

At least thats my take - assuming that by now all of our actions means Sabrina has a character beyond our voting. We influnce but no longer control.
 
@Redshirt Army I'm not sure we should give up on the whole "locator amulet" thing. At the very least we can do something like a Marauder's Map, made of Grief, that locates and labels everyone in our range, or maybe a lifesigns detector that locates a specific named person in our range. The point is, we tried one thing, and it didn't work; that just means we need to try a few things and see if anything works. After all, if we have to canvas a whole damn city looking for this person, it'd be much easier to do by making a meguca radar, building our supersonic grief jet, and doing a fast sweep rather than being all slowpokey about it.

I mean, we have time, but we don't have so much time that we want to stop for a third lunch or something. :)
Can we atleast consider why the scanner to detect named persons failed before we make any more scanners to detect named persons that are still going to fail, and give Sabrina more splitting migraines? Also how long is Homura waiting in the time stop while we're doing this?

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it'd be much easier to do by making a meguca radar

We have meguca radar. Sabrina can detect any and all magical girls within a radius of 200 meters.

We also have solid flight options and a pretty good idea of where we can find Sasa and/or most other magical girls.
 
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Can we atleast consider why the scanner to detect named persons failed before we make any more scanners to detect named persons that are still going to fail, and give Sabrina more splitting migraines? Also how long is Homura waiting in the time stop while we're doing this?
I thought we were in transit, and Homura is feeling especially uncommunicative today; what else do we have to do but SCIENCE?
 
I thought we were in transit, and Homura is feeling especially uncommunicative today; what else do we have to do but SCIENCE?

I need to point out, attempting active grief constructs mid flight has had us nearly crash into buildings before. Those constructs take time, and in mid process Sabrina might as well be in a coma. She has zero awareness while active grief constructs are being made.
 
We should probably think about talking with the Incubators next time we do SCIENCE with grief; AFAIK they never outright lie to us, and Kyuubey might be willing to not sabotage us if we present an opportunity to make grief more or almost as efficient as his current system. And it's not like we want the heat death of the universe - We can work with the incubators, as long as we think like one and remember to ask all the questions ever. And it's in Coobies best interests to work with us.

It's probably not a great idea to piss off a possible Type-2 civilization, too. At least until we have the opportunity to steal a warship.

That is the end goal, right? Meguca X-Com?
 
Alternative vote:

(+Fluff, +story time, +some Walpurgis talk, -metabomb, +metabomb)

[X] Ask Homura for a vote of confidence: If you find this Kuriki, does she think you can manage to keep her alive?
-[X] Thank her for the information anyway. More information is always appreciated.
[X] Follow Homura's flight path for now. Also fly by any place that catches your eye as a possible place where Sasa could be.

[X] Make a simple grief ring. Give it to Homura claiming you want to try and see whether that's enough to keep you in timestop- after you land, of course.
-[X] You also want to check if you can Grief rend Witches from timestop. You figure this is a safer first test.

[X] There's a couple things you want to talk about, but while you've got the time... the Obrez, she said it came from a magical girl that's there some times; if it's not too much to ask, could she tell you about her? Just curious.

[X] Afterwards, discuss Walpurgisnacht. How many times does she figure Mami could Tiro Finale it from stopped time, with unlimited Grief cleansing?
-[X] How... how tough is Walpurgis? Would you get feedback if you try to take its Grief?
-[X] And about recruiting... you want to recruit meguca who'll have a decent chance at living through the fight. Any experienced meguca she can name, we can look into. We'll take care of the rest.

[X] Sigh. Remember you asked about telling the others about yourself? Homura disagreed back then, and you respect that. But you can't keep everything secret. Today, you're going to tell Mami about your own weird knowledge, and the fact you knew about her and everybody else before you even met them... despite what you pretended. It's not fair to her to keep her in the dark like this, and this has been eating at you.
-[X] You won't tell any secrets that aren't yours to tell. You just wanted Homura to know beforehand. You think it'll go a lot better than the Soul Gem/Kyuubey talk. Vote of confidence?

[X] Other than that... would she help you with something, whenever you've got the time for it? You've noticed Grief tends to try and coalesce when it exits your range; the more Grief, the further it gets before dissipating. You want to try and find out what'll happen when you release a large enough amount of Grief; you'd really appreciate if she could spot for you, and maybe save your hide in case something explodes, or something?
 
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Can we atleast consider why the scanner to detect named persons failed before we make any more scanners to detect named persons that are still going to fail,
Isn't it a bit premature to say they're going to fail if you haven't considered why it failed? There are a number of possible reasons it could've failed. Making different scanners is how we find out which reason it actually was.
 
[X] There's a couple things you want to talk about, but while you've got the time... the Obrez, she said it came from a magical girl that's there some times; if it's not too much to ask, could she tell you about her? Just curious.

I'm not sure if this a really good light topic. Considering that there's a good chance that Homura killed her to get that gun.:V
 
And in the meantime, who drives?
We need some transportation that isn't us-powered. But where to get any that's practical for what we need it for?

Got it. We grief up a time machine, go to 2020 or so, grab a self-driving car, bring it back, and use it as our sciencemobile so that we can science on the go without hitting buildings.

[x] Onmur
 
I'm not sure if this a really good light topic. Considering that there's a good chance that Homura killed her to get that gun.:V
Hey, a good story is a good story, whether one of a broken and reformed friendship based around guns, or one of bitter rivalry, confrontation, and taking rare guns as thropies, I want Homu to tell it.
 
We need some transportation that isn't us-powered. But where to get any that's practical for what we need it for?

Got it. We grief up a time machine, go to 2020 or so, grab a self-driving car, bring it back, and use it as our sciencemobile so that we can science on the go without hitting buildings.

[x] Onmur
Try and will the our Grief into being controllable by someonw else. Then Homu can drive and we can SCIENCE!

:p
 
I'm not sure if this a really good light topic. Considering that there's a good chance that Homura killed her to get that gun.:V

Homura isn't that murderface. :V

Isn't it a bit premature to say they're going to fail if you haven't considered why it failed? There are a number of possible reasons it could've failed. Making different scanners is how we find out which reason it actually was.

I'll acknowledge that I haven't given it much thought. The scanners tend to fail in the same way we just went through if they attempt something that exceeds the current limits of our powers. So either we can't scan for individual people because the grief has no means of parsing that or we really are out of range. I'm betting on the former. Being out of range is no reason for the compass to simply be denied.

Either way, we can waste more time on a compass of limited and dubious uses or we can get on with searching for new meguca and Sasa.

I find the search far more interesting then the science right now.
 
So either we can't scan for individual people because the grief has no means of parsing that or we really are out of range. I'm betting on the former.
Or Sasa's dead, or she doesn't exist in this timeline, or she's managed to luck into an anti-scrying effect this time, or it doesn't work when we're in timestop and the target isn't, or Feathers is hanging out with her, or we can only track meguca and she's uncontracted, or we can only track people we've met, or it's a Moriya Shrine conspiracy, or Yukari is fooling around again.

It'd be pretty easy to prove that we can't track anyone ever by trying to track someone who definitely has no mitigating factors and failing. We haven't done that yet.

I'm not saying we need to keep doing science right now, I'm saying if you want to win that bet science is going to have to happen at some point.
 
Being out of range is no reason for the compass to simply be denied.
Unless the grief scanners don't actually do anything, other than tell Sabrina what she can already figure out. The range extension was "okay, this might be further?" on something that has a fuzzy range definition to begin with. The grief book only worked once we fell within range of something we could get information about. The compass didn't work because there was no way for us to enter into an area where we could already get the information.
 
The grief book only worked once we fell within range of something we could get information about.
Because we only used the grief book once. The grief book worked while we were within range of something. For you to say it only worked under that condition it would need to have failed to provide information at some point.
The compass didn't work because there was no way for us to enter into an area where we could already get the information.
You sound very sure of that for someone whose hypothesis has barely begun to be tested.
 
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