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Onmur said:
It's a Wish. We meant to clean Soul Gems of their magical Grief.

We might be able to control mundane Grief. Doesn't mean it's a good idea to try.
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I don't believe that the distinction between 'mundane' and 'magical' grief exists, except as a catagorization of the source of otherwise interchangeable grief. Or, in other words, I fully expect to be able to remove weird looking eldritch black stuff from a depressed mundane person's soul.

Whether we can remove it safely, and whether it would accumulate in useful quantities without performing the procedure hundreds of times, is another question.
 
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If we can do it, then as a core power function we should be able to do it intuitively, with no more risk (and with Sabrina having no more in-character uncertainty) of tearing someone's soul apart than there was of accidentally a soul gem the first time we tried that.
 
Random832 said:
If we can do it, then as a core power function we should be able to do it intuitively, with no more risk (and with Sabrina having no more in-character uncertainty) of tearing someone's soul apart than there was of accidentally a soul gem the first time we tried that.
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We could just add it to the Oriko question pile and settle the debate safely. Of course, I'm not sure it's worth it. We'll see how Oriko's feeling once we finish with her room service.
 
Random832 said:
If we can do it, then as a core power function we should be able to do it intuitively, with no more risk (and with Sabrina having no more in-character uncertainty) of tearing someone's soul apart than there was of accidentally a soul gem the first time we tried that.
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Soul Gems have grief withdrawn all the time safely, but not all the grief. We've only been touching the stuff that gets pulled out by holding a Grief Seed against it. There is grief remaining, previously theorized to be the core of the nascent Witch, that we have so far been reluctant to touch.
 
Torgamous said:
Soul Gems have grief withdrawn all the time safely, but not all the grief. We've only been touching the stuff that gets pulled out by holding a Grief Seed against it. There is grief remaining, previously theorized to be the core of the nascent Witch, that we have so far been reluctant to touch.
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I thought we did try removing the Witch from the crystal and it turned out that we spent a lot of effort for zero effect. I know we did try that when it comes to Grief Seeds. What was it "trying to extract the concept of a doughnut existing from a doughnut."? Hmm, you know, maybe the Witch is merely an aspect of the soul, same as the Magical Girl. Do you think it is possible to segregate a person's soul between positive and negative aspects?
 
RE: The most recent debate: Grief is essentially the metaphysical manifestation of negative emotions, which we can control. The big difference between a human and a Puella Magi is that when humans accumulate grief, they're able to naturally disperse it into the atmosphere, get better, and move on with their lives.

The architecture of the Soul Gem, locking the Puella Magi's soul and magic in a box where it can be consciously harnessed, prevents Puella Magi dispersing Grief- it keeps both hope and despair from leaking out, and when we burn hope to use magic (including the passive drain accrued simply to animate the 'external hardware' aka her body) despair rushes in to fill the void and has to be manually extracted using a Grief Seed (or our magic).

We could extract Grief from humans, but it'd be a pithy amount, and ripping it straight out of their soul without a proxy vis a vis a Soul Gem may or may not be extremely uncomfortable for the subject. It's not necessarily wrong, it's just... why bother unless they're suicidal?

But yeah, we're basically an Earthbender, except instead of shaping and creating things out of earth, we shape them out of pure suffering.
 
Knightfall said:
Don't deny our love Ube-Sama. :D
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I thought people were shipping Ube with me? Are you abandoning me, Ube? :cry:

[x] Check up on Oriko and Kirika.
-[x] If they're decent enough, take photos.
[x] Get a maid outfit.
-[x] Prepare breakfast.
-[x] Bring it upstairs.
-[x] "GOOD MORNING SLEEPYHEADS!"
--[x] Take more photos.
-[x] Breakfast in bed.
[x] Continue previous vote.
 
LostDeviljho said:
I thought people were shipping Ube with me? Are you abandoning me, Ube? :cry:

[x] Check up on Oriko and Kirika.
-[x] If they're decent enough, take photos.
[x] Get a maid outfit.
-[x] Prepare breakfast.
-[x] Bring it upstairs.
-[x] "GOOD MORNING SLEEPYHEADS!"
--[x] Take more photos.
-[x] Breakfast in bed.
[x] Continue previous vote.
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We can share Ube.
 
Maybe I missed it, but I don't think anyone commented on this:

Firnagzen said:
You skim past downtown Mitakihara, closing your eyes and rolling over to let the sun warm your face for a moment.

You muse briefly on the fact that you shouldn't be able to actually fly upside down like that, aerodynamically speaking, but then again. Magic is such bullshit.
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[HUE HUE HUE INTENSIFIES]
 
Torgamous said:
Yuma, despite her background, seems pretty much okay.

But yeah, I don't recall any indication that muggle Grief is fundamentally different from meguca Grief. Onmur, do you have a citation for this?
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Yuma's a kid. With shitty home situation yes, but still a kid. Kids are more resilient emotionally than teenagers. They adapt fast too. Nagisa Witches Out so quickly because her mother's dying at the same time. Teenagers however, tend to over-think things. Just look at Sayaka.

Meguca Grief is a concept given physical form. Mundane grief is just a concept. If Sabrina can extract mundane grief, it will be a violation of self, like waterbender's bloodbending but worse. I don't think she wants to do that.
 
Marla said:
Meguca Grief is a concept given physical form. Mundane grief is just a concept. If Sabrina can extract mundane grief, it will be a violation of self, like waterbender's bloodbending but worse. I don't think she wants to do that.
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Sabrina senses and controls Grief, which takes a physical form. Madoka and Sayaka contained capital G Grief when we examined them pre-contract, and Sabrina's mental voice didn't notice anything different about it compared to the Grief in, say, Mami's soul gem, except there was a lot less of it.

This makes perfect sense when you realize emotions are the source of magic in PMMM - 'mundane' grief doesn't exist any more than 'mundane' hope does- under PMMM metaphysics, both intrinsically warp reality around them in sufficient concentrations.
 
[x] Check up on Oriko and Kirika.
-[x] If they're decent enough, take photos.
[x] Get a maid outfit.
-[x] Prepare breakfast.
-[x] Bring it upstairs.
-[x] "GOOD MORNING SLEEPYHEADS!"
--[x] Take more photos.
-[x] Breakfast in bed.
[x] Continue previous vote.
 
Just this once, I wish Oriko could predict us. She could've set an alarm clock for right when we finish breakfast.
 
Why do I get the feeling that a photo of Sabrina, in a maid outfit, serving breakfast to Kirika and Oriko in bed, is how Sayaka is going to be introduced to her erstwhile home renovators?

I'm not really opposed to the vote, as this is exactly the kind of thing Sabrina would think of and do despite everything, but we should consider the fact that these photos are as compromising to us as to our supposed targets. The look we'll get from Homura when she sees these would probably kill a lesser mortal, and I'm pretty sure we're flying straight past the end of Mami's "Oh, Sabrina" meter right into "Time to contact the local neurologist!" territory.
 
Julian Bradshaw said:
The look we'll get from Homura when she sees these would probably kill a lesser mortal,
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I thought long and hard about the hypothetical situation in which Homura finds out about this.

Or more like, I though "Homu better never hear about this".

It's like "O&K better never hear about our sleeping arrangements".
Firnagzen said:
Madokami forbid Oriko or Kirika finding out about this. You'd never hear the end of it.
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One more secret for the pile.
 
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Julian Bradshaw said:
Why do I get the feeling that a photo of Sabrina, in a maid outfit, serving breakfast to Kirika and Oriko in bed, is how Sayaka is going to be introduced to her erstwhile home renovators?

I'm not really opposed to the vote, as this is exactly the kind of thing Sabrina would think of and do despite everything, but we should consider the fact that these photos are as compromising to us as to our supposed targets. The look we'll get from Homura when she sees these would probably kill a lesser mortal, and I'm pretty sure we're flying straight past the end of Mami's "Oh, Sabrina" meter right into "Time to contact the local neurologist!" territory.
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Nah, it'll probably get us filed under "quirky/practical joker". Sabrina's never exactly taken herself TOO seriously.

Homura wouldn't be too HAPPY about it, but we're not exactly letting them out so I don't think she'd be TOO worried.

The Sayaka thing...We need to handle that carefully when we get there, but that's not a compelling argument against trying what boils down to a practical joke like her morning wake-up calls.
 
[x] Check up on Oriko and Kirika.
-[x] If they're decent enough, take photos.
[x] Get a maid outfit.
-[x] Prepare breakfast.
-[x] Bring it upstairs.
-[x] "GOOD MORNING SLEEPYHEADS!"
--[x] Take more photos.
-[x] Breakfast in bed.
[x] Continue previous vote.
 
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