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Redshirt Army said:
Ideally, Sabrina can keep humanity as a whole stable for countless millennia. That's far outside the scope of this quest, though - and given empirical evidence that emotions can violate thermodynamics and that much SCIENCE time, I'd be amazed if entropy was an insurmountable problem.
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Semi-related to the premise of incubators, and completely unrelated to the actual story, but have a science.



Of specific interest to me is 10:30 to 11:30
 
Conjured Blade said:
The most it could imply is that Sabrina will want to talk about something in the future and is looking for how to phrase it. If you stretch a bit and take her experimentation into account, that it would be system related. It does not say what. It does not say when. It does not say anything about how much leverage or lack thereof we would have during the conversation. It could just as easily be her fishing for new ways to set up Incubator traps.
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The question you posed gives away
  • The fact we know that they're called Incubators (a bit tentative. Has this come up?)
  • The fact that we know he's an alien.
  • A suggestion we know a bit about the emotions of its species.
It's easier not to give away things if it's framed with the context of what's being discussed. Like, it's much easier to try to find out about Incubator emotions/motivations when we're talking about ethics, Souls and Witching, for instance, than right now.
 
Introduce Sayaka to Quest Forums, we shall never see her again, Love Triangle problem solved. :p
 
Skelm said:
I think it's been mostly dealt with, between Kirika pushing Hitomi down the stairs, Oriko burning down Sayaka's house, and us healing Kyousuke.
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I...don't really see how it's been dealt with. It seems like it's been more pushed aside than anything. Granted, we really don't need to deal with the love triangle specifically as much as Sayaka's possible breakdown in the future.

Some of the reasons that Sayaka starts to Grief Spiral (other than the obvious reasons) badly can be attributed to her attitude of not really showing others how she's feeling when she needs emotional help as well as not being honest with herself and what she needs to talk about. To sum it up, she's the type of person who has the 'suffer alone and quietly' traits. If Sayaka can establish some degree of normalcy and learn that it's okay to share her problems with others, than we can avoid a possible landmine in the future.

The reason Sayaka in the Extra Route of the PSP game turned out so stable was because in the love triangle problem, Sayaka and Hitomi were completely honest with themselves and each other with exactly how they felt, so they were able to deal with it in a very clean manner (a slap fight). Granted, that Sayaka didn't know the entire shtick about Soul Gems, but it showed that there was a step in a very right direction.
 
Skelm said:
Then we need to do something about that too. Any outcome where everyone is dead is a failure.

We'd better, since we're panning to be one of them.
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My opinion? Once you start talking trillions of years, any civilization is going to shake out into one of three categories.

1. EXTINCTION - Pretty simple: a plague, a supernova, warfare, mass suicide... something happens to wipe them out. If they're lucky, Type 1 civilizations leave behind some data recordings, mysterious devices, and pretty architecture for future spacefarers to gawp at/get killed by.
1B. STAGNATION - Think Doctor Who's Time Lords or Lovecraft's Elder Race. The species eventually hits a cultural and technological plateau and stays there, whether from societal strictures or simply hitting some sort of insurmountable obstacle to further advancement. Most traditionally, this ends up with a dwindling huddle of xenophobic douche-canoes who are convinced of their own superiority and have no qualms with slapping the shit out of "lesser beings". Alternatively, you end up with a bunch of ruthless bastards stealing resources and tech from nearby cultures in a desperate attempt to find their way around whatever roadblock has them stumped. In any case, stagnant civilizations are less than pleasant and basically stuck in a holding pattern until something brings it all tumbling down, at which point extinction ensues.​

2. ASCENSION - Wizards/hyperspatial manipulation/psychics/whatever become so predominant within the species that they bust out of the universe as we currently understand it and become something beyond our comprehension. Whatever happens next, they're beyond petty concerns like "heat death" or "laws of physics" at that point, and have little if any resemblance to the beings they were before.

3. FUCKING UP ROYALLY - Sometimes, you go for option 2 and things go horribly wrong (or right). They're not dead and not really stagnant either, but the state they've gotten themselves into isn't exactly a preferable alternative, for themselves and/or everyone else. The best example I can think of is from a manga whose name escapes me at the moment: they turned themselves into immortal ghost-things, but then found out that after a few eons pass and your original star system goes kaput, all you've got left to do is float through the cosmos and steadily go insane. Whenever they found a planet with sapient life, they would hungrily insert themselves into members of that race. The hosts would become infused with the space ghosts' unspeakable misery and suicidal urges and off themselves, taking the space ghost to the grave along with them. A few people with just the right kind of psychological damage instead assimilated the space ghost essence into their own bodies and became able to access their extradimensional abilities, so the planet would then have to contend with a horde of superpowered nutjobs in the wake of a global mass suicide epidemic. Basically, bad times for everyone involved.


Trying to think in terms of billions or trillions of years is how you get Original Flavor Cosmic Horror - sapient life is, by and large, utterly boned in the long run, and the only hope humanity would have to survive is by scrapping 90% of the things that define us, so we wouldn't really be humans anymore. Trying to plan on that time scale is pretty much a fool's errand for anything with an even vaguely human mentality.
 
FelOnyx said:
I'm often curious as to how discussions here, about a forum game based on a work of fiction, manage to be orders of magnitude more hostile than a lot of political discussions over actual controversies.
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Most political controversies do not directly impact the happiness of anime teenagers. Thus, the stakes are higher here.
JarringToaster said:
Dealing with the love triangle of Sayaka, Kyousuke, and Hitomi.
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The problem here is that Sayaka and Hitomi can't both get what they want, due to the limited supply of Kyousuke. The clear solution is to head over to Asunaro and have them clone up an auxiliary Kyousuke so the supply meets the demand.
 
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*Sabrina forms a magical girl organization.*

*Mami names the group "Serenissima Imperium".*

*Sabrina struggles with paperwork.*

*Sabrina goes to Asunaro for clones.*
 
GardenerBriareus said:
My opinion? Once you start talking trillions of years, any civilization is going to shake out into one of three categories.

1. EXTINCTION - Pretty simple: a plague, a supernova, warfare, mass suicide... something happens to wipe them out. If they're lucky, Type 1 civilizations leave behind some data recordings, mysterious devices, and pretty architecture for future spacefarers to gawp at/get killed by.
1B. STAGNATION - Think Doctor Who's Time Lords or Lovecraft's Elder Race. The species eventually hits a cultural and technological plateau and stays there, whether from societal strictures or simply hitting some sort of insurmountable obstacle to further advancement. Most traditionally, this ends up with a dwindling huddle of xenophobic douche-canoes who are convinced of their own superiority and have no qualms with slapping the shit out of "lesser beings". Alternatively, you end up with a bunch of ruthless bastards stealing resources and tech from nearby cultures in a desperate attempt to find their way around whatever roadblock has them stumped. In any case, stagnant civilizations are less than pleasant and basically stuck in a holding pattern until something brings it all tumbling down, at which point extinction ensues.​

2. ASCENSION - Wizards/hyperspatial manipulation/psychics/whatever become so predominant within the species that they bust out of the universe as we currently understand it and become something beyond our comprehension. Whatever happens next, they're beyond petty concerns like "heat death" or "laws of physics" at that point, and have little if any resemblance to the beings they were before.

3. FUCKING UP ROYALLY - Sometimes, you go for option 2 and things go horribly wrong (or right). They're not dead and not really stagnant either, but the state they've gotten themselves into isn't exactly a preferable alternative, for themselves and/or everyone else. The best example I can think of is from a manga whose name escapes me at the moment: they turned themselves into immortal ghost-things, but then found out that after a few eons pass and your original star system goes kaput, all you've got left to do is float through the cosmos and steadily go insane. Whenever they found a planet with sapient life, they would hungrily insert themselves into members of that race. The hosts would become infused with the space ghosts' unspeakable misery and suicidal urges and off themselves, taking the space ghost to the grave along with them. A few people with just the right kind of psychological damage instead assimilated the space ghost essence into their own bodies and became able to access their extradimensional abilities, so the planet would then have to contend with a horde of superpowered nutjobs in the wake of a global mass suicide epidemic. Basically, bad times for everyone involved.


Trying to think in terms of billions or trillions of years is how you get Original Flavor Cosmic Horror - sapient life is, by and large, utterly boned in the long run, and the only hope humanity would have to survive is by scrapping 90% of the things that define us, so we wouldn't really be humans anymore. Trying to plan on that time scale is pretty much a fool's errand for anything with an even vaguely human mentality.
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Is the third one Danny Phantom
 
boonerunner said:
Our grief works as a moderately strong reality warping effect with the only notable restrictions being its inability to scan soul gems and a range limitation of 100m. And there are many other magical girls whose powers' primary limitation is the amount of magic they can use before corrupting their soul gems - a limitation which is void when they're around us. When working together with others, we have many powers available to us include time stopping, power duplication, precognition, and (in theory) teleportation, mind control, and many more. I can think of many ways that we can threaten the incubators without requiring any sort of ascension at all. Teleportation+Time Stop+Detection is one plan, for instance.
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I already took that into account. Unfortunately, none of it is relevant. We could disrupt their operations on this planet, yes, but that's ephemeral; any sort of resistance we could mount against them would hinge entirely on Sabrina still being alive/functional, and even then it would not be a serious threat to the Incubators directly.

This is basic strategy. Simply attempting to kill them will accomplish literally nothing but feeling good about ourselves for about five seconds (we hardly need much firepower to kill Kyuubey, anyway) and we can't even assume that they have any sort of central command to target, let alone fathom what we'd need to do to find it. You can't teleport somewhere if you don't know where to teleport to, time stop doesn't matter if you can't get where you need to go in the first place, and I don't think it's a good idea to ask Oriko these sorts of questions. (Or Kyuubey, for that matter, but that's obvious.) This isn't even getting into the potential problems of attacking such a hypothetical command center, either; it could be on a toxic planet devoid of atmosphere, in the center of a quasar, or in the conceptual moment separating 5:00 and 5:01 for all we know.

Should I be presented information that suggests otherwise or an argument that reasonably states otherwise (and no, "We can do so much, surely we can do this!" is not an argument; there is at least some evidence that suggests de-witching is possible, but plenty of evidence against the viability of successfully waging war with the Incubators), I will change my stance, but for now, all implications point towards either ascension or cooperation being our only viable options. However, this conversation is long past the point of being directly relevant to our current actions. If you wish to discuss further, please take it to PMs.
 
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