lolno
the act of questioning gives him openings to talk or pry, and tells him more about our goals
also his information is at best meaningless and at worst leads us into what he wants us to do
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the act of questioning gives him openings to talk or pry, and tells him more about our goals
also his information is at best meaningless and at worst leads us into what he wants us to do
LostDeviljho
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lolyes. just because you think so doesn't make it true.
he already knows our goals. and him "talking and prying" isn't going to make anything worse. we're immune to his bombs, so him talking does nothing harmful to us, and he can ask all the question he want's but it does him no good if we don't answer.
ftfy. we've already gotten useful information from him this last update, so that means that yes, he can give us information that's useful to us.
and I doubt we're going to get led into doing anything with everyone dissecting what he says to hell and back.
OctarineShrike
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Worst he can do is start proactively informing people of our missteps on a higher level barring the insanely improbable scenario of Incubator direct action. If he's doing it anyway to try to get us killed, we've got nothing to lose though.
Just got another question idea that wouldn't give away metaknowledge.
[x]Systemic Hatter
-[x]Do Incubators have curiosity as humans would recognize it? Is there some divergent yet similar Incubator drive that enabled you to reach the stars? Would you explain it?
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No, we're not. He can still harm Sabrina through Mami and the others.
LostDeviljho
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yes we are, as our friends are not "bombs".
witchbomb, lichbomb, potentialbomb, etc., all those things he drops in conversation to stun the other party and give himself a massive upper hand? don't work on us.
lets limit it to the relatively "safe" questions directly related to our previous topic.
You are misunderstanding me. Hurting Mami and the others through those bombs hurts Sabrina as well.
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Now you're just being disingenuous.
The Incubator is entirely capable of killing Mami with words should it so choose.
LostDeviljho
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but they're not relevant to our conversation with him, currently.
No I'm not?
of course he's capable of that (minus our support and that of others, etc.), but him talking to us, now is not a threat. That's what I assumed Ugo meant by the "talk" in "talk and pry".
PhDEevee
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The original point was that in conversation with us, those bombs have no effect. Kyubey is in a position to kill Mami whether we talk to him or not.
@Conjured Blade: as much as I'm dying to ask those questions, I feel at this stage that would reveal too much about the extent of our knowledge. Sorry.
And of course he wouldn't use the fact we talked to him against us. Nope.
He wouldn't take this as a relevant tidbit to bring up to others. Nope.
OctarineShrike
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That ship sailed the harbor already.
LostDeviljho
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you realize we've already talked to him, yes? Finishing getting the information we want is unlikely to make that worse.
Then we need to do something about that too. Any outcome where everyone is dead is a failure.
We'd better, since we're panning to be one of them.
OctarineShrike
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The most it could imply is that Sabrina will want to talk about something in the future and is looking for how to phrase it. If you stretch a bit and take her experimentation into account, that it would be system related. It does not say what. It does not say when. It does not say anything about how much leverage or lack thereof we would have during the conversation. It could just as easily be her fishing for new ways to set up Incubator traps.
That is waaaaaayy out there to even be thought of right now.
That doesn't mean send more ships out after it!
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Ideally, Sabrina can keep humanity as a whole stable for countless millennia. That's far outside the scope of this quest, though - and given empirical evidence that emotions can violate thermodynamics and that much SCIENCE time, I'd be amazed if entropy was an insurmountable problem.
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Too late. Already talked to him. Guess the world's gonna blow up with everyone dead even before Walpurgis starts throwing buildings, with Mami's home being out of cake.
That line was referring to all the other ways everyone could die, of which there are several in play right now, so it's really not.
Of course not, that's why we can attempt to surmount it.
LostDeviljho
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finishing the conversation wouldn't be doing that. that'd be starting a whole new line of questioning.
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I originally voted not to talk to Kyuubey. But since we're already talking to him, pressing him to be clearer doesn't give him any more ammunition, so:
[x] SystemicHatter
[x] SystemicHatter
The point of this scene was that the Incubators consider curiosity which exists without a clear goal to be illogical. However, curiosity with a clear purpose (i.e. figuring out the nature of Madokami in order to harness her energy) is another thing entirely and Kyuubey demonstrates this type of curiosity all the time.
Our grief works as a moderately strong reality warping effect with the only notable restrictions being its inability to scan soul gems and a range limitation of 100m. And there are many other magical girls whose powers' primary limitation is the amount of magic they can use before corrupting their soul gems - a limitation which is void when they're around us. When working together with others, we have many powers available to us include time stopping, power duplication, precognition, and (in theory) teleportation, mind control, and many more. I can think of many ways that we can threaten the incubators without requiring any sort of ascension at all. Teleportation+Time Stop+Detection is one plan, for instance.
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