Given that Kirika just invented an anti-magic enchantment so quickly, there might be a possibility of some anti-magic manacle enchantment as an alternative method to deal with some troublesome megucas. We're gonna have problems finding a freezer if we desoul people on a regular basis.

No. Witch them and grab their seeds. It's just as much of en effective death sentence, but with beneficial side-effects and a potential for rehab at a (much) later date.
literally the only reason to gemsplode someone is pure spite.

Hell no. Witching someone is fucking torture. Not happening.
 
I think he meant between killing a girl and witching her, witching is better since we might be able to unwitch later.
But that's still some shonky business.
 
Maybe the temperature twins are mercy-gemming people because it's better than turning into witches.
You're stretching too far for motivations that they don't have. It's specifically stated that they do it because they like it. Ayase specifically because they're pretty.

Luca does it because she enjoys the challenge that collecting Soul Gems provides.

So did the Saints, and that's not one of the many complaints people have about them.
They specifically do it because they don't want the Magical Girls turning into Witches. If they didn't care about the girls, they wouldn't have built the Freezer to preserve the girls' bodies.

No. Witch them and grab their seeds. It's just as much of en effective death sentence, but with beneficial side-effects and a potential for rehab at a (much) later date.
literally the only reason to gemsplode someone is pure spite.
If we get caught Witching them, we're gonna be in some deep shit, regardless who catches us. Also, it's obviously gonna affect Sabrina as a character in some way if we go that far.

Also, if her Witch is anything like what happened in the manga, it may not produce a Grief Seed, so it's a waste of effort.
 
it's better than straight up murdering them, because we're actively working on dewitching. We can fix them later.
 
And in the mean time they are turned into eldritch abominations who are constantly in the throes of intense grief spiral. If you want to keep them alive the just rock them instead.
that's why we immediately seed them. this is an important step and one that should be obvious.

And if we're pressed to the point where gemsploding is being seriously considered, regular rocking isn't likely an option.
 
You're stretching too far for motivations that they don't have. It's specifically stated that they do it because they like it. Ayase specifically because they're pretty.

Luca does it because she enjoys the challenge that collecting Soul Gems provides.
To reiterate:
They say that, yeah. And Kyouko talks a good game about how she's just selfishly acquiring the shinies she needs and she'd never do anything as selfless as, say, sacrifice her life to save someone she just met a few days ago.

Meguca have about as good a record at presenting the full picture of who they are deep down to the world as Persona 4 characters.
And the hypothetical secret motivation I gave was just that, a hypothetical. First thing I could come up with to make them not as terrible as they seem. My point is that we don't really know shit about them. They show up, start shit, and go down without getting any real backstory or character exploration. All we get is the first impression, which has proven more than once to be misleading where puella magi are concerned.
 
that's why we immediately seed them. this is an important step and one that should be obvious.

And if we're pressed to the point where gemsploding is being seriously considered, regular rocking isn't likely an option.
No.

This is absolutely wrong and goes against everything Sabrina is IC and OOC. It'd make us worse than the Incubator- he has an inability to understand why torturing girls to death is wrong even if they agree, we'd just not care.

Doing this would make Sabrina into probably the worst monster in any PMMM canon or fan work.
 
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that's why we immediately seed them. this is an important step and one that should be obvious.

And if we're pressed to the point where gemsploding is being seriously considered, regular rocking isn't likely an option.

What the fuck is WRONG with you? If we can't rock a girl, we're gemsploding her because the alternative is dipping someone into literal Hell for our convenience and personal profit. There is NO morally justifying that. Waterboarding someone doesn't become acceptable because you fucking stop eventually and medically treat any damage you did.

God fucking dammit. This entire fucking line of thought is disgusting and I am going to ask you nicely to never bring it up again because it's literally inciting me to tear furniture apart in my fucking room, it's THAT disgusting.
 
that's why we immediately seed them. this is an important step and one that should be obvious.

And if we're pressed to the point where gemsploding is being seriously considered, regular rocking isn't likely an option.

There is literally no circumstance in which Witching is a valid alternative to rocking. If we can't rock them straight off, we can find some other tactic (knock them out, then rock them, etc.). We're absurdly powerful. If we're forced to kill them, we kill them clean. Though frankly I'd rather avoid killing them.
 
What the fuck is WRONG with you? If we can't rock a girl, we're gemsploding her because the alternative is dipping someone into literal Hell for our convenience and personal profit. There is NO morally justifying that. Waterboarding someone doesn't become acceptable because you fucking stop eventually and medically treat any damage you did.

God fucking dammit. This entire fucking line of thought is disgusting and I am going to ask you nicely to never bring it up again because it's literally inciting me to tear furniture apart in my fucking room, it's THAT disgusting.
if the options are gemsplode or witch, I'll go for witch, because that leaves at least the possibility of fixing it later. I'd take hell over death any day, myself.
Besides, gems are dormant 'till they re-hatch, which is why we immediately seed them.

There is literally no circumstance in which Witching is a valid alternative to rocking. If we can't rock them straight off, we can find some other tactic (knock them out, then rock them, etc.). We're absurdly powerful. If we're forced to kill them, we kill them clean. Though frankly I'd rather avoid killing them.
the same applies to gemsploding. I'm operating under the assumption that these are the only two options when deciding which of the two I'd prefer.
 
Gemsplode is an instant, painless death.

Seeding is emotional torture and deconstructing their psyche, then killing what's left of them afterwards and putting the pieces in a pretty little case.

No thank you. Ever.

And for the record, I think a senseless murder or preventable murder would break character for Sabrina. That's not who she is or how she does things, at all.
 
Why would we want to seed them?! We have absolutely no need for additional seeds, not with Mitakihara's population, and there's no way they would be any nicer when dewitched.
Also, with a surprise attack, we can gem anyone with ease. No need for murder.
 
if the options are gemsplode or witch, I'll go for witch, because that leaves at least the possibility of fixing it later. I'd take hell over death any day, myself.
Besides, gems are dormant 'till they re-hatch, which is why we immediately seed them.
While Sabrina may be able to transform a Witch back into a Magical Girl with time, the effects on their psyche as the time that they are a Witch is nigh irreversible.
 
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The point is that while Witching the Souju's is a possible option, there's obviously more risk than reward (being one/two Grief Seeds at most). If someone she doesn't to well know catches her doing it, diplomacy is permanently out the window. If a friend catches her doing it, they'll never see her the same way again. Sabrina herself would also have to live with the knowledge that she forced two Magical Girls to Witch out for her own curiousity, instead of just killing them.

End result, it's not a practical decision anyways when Grief Seeds aren't really necessary for Sabrina.
 
Why would we want to seed them?! We have absolutely no need for additional seeds, not with Mitakihara's population, and there's no way they would be any nicer when dewitched.
Also, with a surprise attack, we can gem anyone with ease. No need for murder.
of course, that's probably what'll actually happen. I can't actually see them pushing Sabrina to the point where we can't just rock them and end the fight.
I'm discussing this all in a hypothetical scenario where killing or witching them are the only options. I don't actually plan to seed them.

@LostDeviljho
I think I can safely say that you've lost basically any credibility you might have had, with this... suggestion.
probably, yeah.

Not changing my stance on this, though. if the options are to kill or something else, I'll always pick the option that isn't kill. Regardless of what it is.

...damn, I was actually trying to stay away from personal ethics...
 
of course, that's probably what'll actually happen. I can't actually see them pushing Sabrina to the point where we can't just rock them and end the fight.
I'm discussing this all in a hypothetical scenario where killing or witching them are the only options. I don't actually plan to seed them.


probably, yeah.

Not changing my stance on this, though. if the options are to kill or something else, I'll always pick the option that isn't kill. Regardless of what it is.

...damn, I was actually trying to stay away from personal ethics...

What benefits are you expecting get, anyway? We don't need seeds and dewitching won't cure their sociopacy.
 
if the options are gemsplode or witch, I'll go for witch, because that leaves at least the possibility of fixing it later. I'd take hell over death any day, myself.
Besides, gems are dormant 'till they re-hatch, which is why we immediately seed them.


the same applies to gemsploding. I'm operating under the assumption that these are the only two options when deciding which of the two I'd prefer.

The psychological damage that Witchification is so severe that canonically it's only ever been fixed by inducing absolute amnesia or using Madoka's Deus Ex Machina powers. We may have to brace ourselves for the possibility that even if we master Dewitching, we can never get the original girls back in a safe, stable manner. I'm not willing to risk that for someone when we can just as easily NOT do that.

And, again, witching someone on purpose is just asking for Kyubey to poison the well so no Magical Girl ever trusts us ever again for as long as Sabrina lives, not to mention that this WILL absolutely without any uncertainty completely shatter Sabrina psychologically. She might never recover doing this. Her personality is basically a mix of Sabrina, Madoka, Mami, and Moemura with a dash of Shirou Emiya.

You would run a genuine risk of causing Dedolere to be a thing. All of this for genuinely ZERO FUCKING BENEFIT.

This is astronomically balls-droppingly ass-splodingly retarded and stupid as fuck.
 
If we start witching people, Kyubey is going to almost seem sympathetic by comparison.

Mami would break, everyone would hate us, and they'd be right to.
 
We could just try talking to them...? No? Ok, I'll stay away from the big kid stuff. :(
Good topic change, but highly nonviable. Their first impression with Kazumi and Nico was basically, "Hi there, look at all these Soul Gems I collected. Aren't they pretty? Please tell me your names so I can name you when I turn you into pretty jewelry."

Diplomacy is probably nearly impossible.
 
Good topic change, but highly nonviable. Their first impression with Kazumi and Nico was basically, "Hi there, look at all these Soul Gems I collected. Aren't they pretty? Please tell me your names so I can name you when I turn you into pretty jewelry."

Diplomacy is probably nearly impossible.
"I am disinclined to acquiesce to your request." *yoinks away all their soul gems* "Means 'no'."
 
We could just try talking to them...? No? Ok, I'll stay away from the big kid stuff. :(
We probably will, actually. try, that is.

What benefits are you expecting get, anyway? We don't need seeds and dewitching won't cure their sociopacy.
Honestly, I don't see the benefits of witching to be particularly big. I just started with the "cold and practical" stuff to try and stay away from my own personal feelings. I think I failed.
Basically, it boils down to "does it permakill them? no? then it's inherently better than killing them". for me, at least.

The psychological damage that Witchification is so severe that canonically it's only ever been fixed by inducing absolute amnesia or using Madoka's Deus Ex Machina powers. We may have to brace ourselves for the possibility that even if we master Dewitching, we can never get the original girls back in a safe, stable manner. I'm not willing to risk that for someone when we can just as easily NOT do that.
See above.

And, again, witching someone on purpose is just asking for Kyubey to poison the well so no Magical Girl ever trusts us ever again for as long as Sabrina lives, not to mention that this WILL absolutely without any uncertainty completely shatter Sabrina psychologically. She might never recover doing this. Her personality is basically a mix of Sabrina, Madoka, Mami, and Moemura with a dash of Shirou Emiya.
personally, I think killing someone would do essentially the same.

You would run a genuine risk of causing Dedolere to be a thing. All of this for genuinely ZERO FUCKING BENEFIT.

This is astronomically balls-droppingly ass-splodingly retarded and stupid as fuck.
I'm glad you feel that way.

If we start witching people, Kyubey is going to almost seem sympathetic by comparison.

Mami would break, everyone would hate us, and they'd be right to.
you're not wrong.

None of you are wrong.

This is just how I feel.

I know I'm a minority of one.

I accept that.

I still view knowingly killing someone as the absolute lowest of all possible lows.

This view is not going to change at any point, ever.

I'm going to bed now, goodnight.
 
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