GonnaSneeze
Ah...Aaaahh...AAAHHHH...
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Shit I started a shipping war
I'll go commit sudoku
I'll go commit sudoku
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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... you would think that, wouldn't you?
Still, as much as I really disagreed with most of her choices, you're right.
She's... probably really going to need it.
Hey, with the information she had, she was just making a stand for what she believed was right and preferring to go down swinging (ie: If there aren't any witches left, it won't matter if I die!) without compromising her principles. Shame about...all the rest.... you would think that, wouldn't you?
Still, as much as I really disagreed with most of her choices, you're right.
She's... probably really going to need it.
It's a pity that it's PMMM.
Hey, with the information she had, she was just making a stand for what she believed was right and preferring to go down swinging (ie: If there aren't any witches left, it won't matter if I die!) without compromising her principles. Shame about...all the rest.
It's a pity that it's PMMM.
I've seen others pull it off better. Still, I'm really not going to hold it against her, either.
She just isn't someone that inspires a lot of admiration in me. Well, that specific aspect of her, at least.
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Someone with correct opinions! Where have you been all my life!? (As I've said before, I seriously identify with Sayaka, and generally, the more similar someone is to Kyouko, the less likely I am to get along with them)
The only thing worse than no one doing this to Sayaka is Kyouko doing it.
EDIT: ^ Failing because you are doing what you believe is right is far more admirable than succeeding to me.
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Eh, she's flawed but she wants to do the right thing anyway in spite of that, and sticks to her beliefs, trying to make them reality as best she can rather than compromising like so many other girls did. She's very aware of how bad her situation really is by the end- but tries to do the right thing anyway. Honestly, her flaws add to her likability as a character rather than take away- she has more complexity to her than, say, Madoka and, counterproductive or not, it takes guts for her to stick to her principles when everything she values seems to have been taken away from her or made meaningless.
The moment in the church with her and Kyoko is probably one of the most underrated parts of the original series.
She's probably- obviously- my favorite PMMM character but I do have a major soft spot for self-destructive zealous wannabe paladins.
And yes, I ship Kyoko/Sayaka. She brings out the best in her and they're great bouncing off each other as a bash couple.
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GonnaSneeze
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Based sneeze explains opinion of sayaka
I don't like Sayaka as a character, but as a character I really like what she adds to the show. Even if her character type is one I dislike, that character type is put to good use in the context of PMMM and is just well done, like...most of she show. Kinda hard to explain my overall opinion of Sayaka. I guess, I find her unlikeable, but I appreciate her?
That said, since she's unlikeable, she can't have my koko
I don't like Sayaka as a character, but as a character I really like what she adds to the show. Even if her character type is one I dislike, that character type is put to good use in the context of PMMM and is just well done, like...most of she show. Kinda hard to explain my overall opinion of Sayaka. I guess, I find her unlikeable, but I appreciate her?
That said, since she's unlikeable, she can't have my koko
The negative effects of self-destructive tendencies don't often just remain with yourself. When you just hurt yourself, that's one thing. But when the consequences start extending to other people, then it gets dicier. Sayaka is a really good example of why trying emulate Shirou is a poor idea, at best.
That said, despite the ideological differences, Sayaka is also one of my favorite characters on the show.
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I believe that Kyouko dilutes the greatness of Sayaka and there are few characters I am less willing to ship Sayaka with (including Forever Alone).
EDIT: ^ I make it my life's mission to emulate Sayaka (and to a lessor degree Shirou).
EDIT: ^ I make it my life's mission to emulate Sayaka (and to a lessor degree Shirou).
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LostDeviljho
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I recommend emulating shirou more than sayaka. sayaka is blinded by her ideals, while shirou simply cannot be swayed from them.
the blind can't help anyone.
Lordsservent
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I don't really have an active hand in shipping, but I do like the Homu/Mado and the Mami/Mado pairings. Unfortunately, both are unhealthy, and the second one would sink when the witch bomb goes boom.
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Mmm. Blueberry refused to waver from what she believed was right, and paid for it dearly - her heart, her life, her sanity, her soul. But even so, even if that path ended in failure, even if it was childish and naive... it was certainly wonderful. It might be impossible, and unrealistic. A lie that you tell yourself to be able to go to sleep at night. But even if it was false... it wasn't wrong. Some things are worth believing in, even if they're false; dreams like hope and justice and compassion are worth believing in.
As a Puella Magi, Blueberry was a failure compared to Kyouko; she wasted her magic and was woefully inefficient. She didn't even last a month. She even refused help from others.
But as a person? As a character? Sayaka refused to abandon anyone in need, and hated the very thought of being selfish like that. She refused grief seeds from a person who was a selfish murderer and thief, who advocated crippling Kamijou so that he might be dependent on her. When it comes down to it, accepting grief seeds from Koko would basically be blood money - surviving only off the souls of whatever innocents were eaten by the familiars that were spared. She refused to be - by Homura's own admission, even - used by Homura in order to manipulate the 'dokes.
Kyouko adapted - she gave up on her ideals "where love and courage win in the end", and became a selfish person that considered human life as cattle fodder. The blueberry, on the other hand, would rather die than be like that. She stayed true to what she believed in until she was no more. Personally, that's what I found admirable about her. Even if she was a terrible "Puella Magi", she was absolutely a "Hero of Justice" that protected people.
I mean, Kyouko isn't all bad - she certainly does have her moments -, but I find people often forget that she considers people little more then fodder to be fed to familiars; witches eat humans and we eat witches and all that.
As a Puella Magi, Blueberry was a failure compared to Kyouko; she wasted her magic and was woefully inefficient. She didn't even last a month. She even refused help from others.
But as a person? As a character? Sayaka refused to abandon anyone in need, and hated the very thought of being selfish like that. She refused grief seeds from a person who was a selfish murderer and thief, who advocated crippling Kamijou so that he might be dependent on her. When it comes down to it, accepting grief seeds from Koko would basically be blood money - surviving only off the souls of whatever innocents were eaten by the familiars that were spared. She refused to be - by Homura's own admission, even - used by Homura in order to manipulate the 'dokes.
Kyouko adapted - she gave up on her ideals "where love and courage win in the end", and became a selfish person that considered human life as cattle fodder. The blueberry, on the other hand, would rather die than be like that. She stayed true to what she believed in until she was no more. Personally, that's what I found admirable about her. Even if she was a terrible "Puella Magi", she was absolutely a "Hero of Justice" that protected people.
I mean, Kyouko isn't all bad - she certainly does have her moments -, but I find people often forget that she considers people little more then fodder to be fed to familiars; witches eat humans and we eat witches and all that.
GonnaSneeze
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To quote godwinson
Mami x no one
Mami x no one
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But yeah, I really cannot imagine Sayaka being happy with Kyouko and remaining the Sayaka I know and love.
As I said, I really identify with Sayaka. Whereas Kyouko reminds me more of, say, my step-sister.
My step-family convinced me that me being alive actively made the world a worse place.
As I said, I really identify with Sayaka. Whereas Kyouko reminds me more of, say, my step-sister.
My step-family convinced me that me being alive actively made the world a worse place.
Lordsservent
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Mami doesn't need a romance partner, she needs somebody who would be a good friend, and I would be more then happy to try and help her.
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And her being a bad Puella Magi made her a good character and arguably a good person.
The case for healthy-Mami x Sabrina can be summed up in four words: "She's Not Alone Anymore". It feels like it'd be a natural development, anyway.
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Pretty much what I was saying - she was a failure as a Puella Magi, but as a person she succeeded in being the hero she wished to be.
I thought your plan was to waifu the blueberr-
*looks at last few posts admiring Sayaka*
My god
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Dirtnap
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You forget Ugo is the blueberry.
Lordsservent
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Well, SayakaUgolino seems to like my sense of humour, this bodes well for Blueberry befriending effort so.
FelOnyx
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I like Sayaka, and agree with her general goal, but the ridgedness she held to her ideal really shouldn't be emulated. She wanted to save people, certainly admirable, but by failing to compromise on any part of her ideals she ultimately failed to save anyone. Had she accepted grief seeds, and been more willing to work with other magical girls even if she found them less than good people, she could have done much more good in the world. In the end I think actually helping people is more important than keeping your own hands clean.
I think she didn't. Sayaka wanted to help people, and failed utterly.
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I can smell the ashes already.
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S'alright, you're entitled to have an opinion, even if it's objectively badwrong.
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FelOnyx
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It doesn't. Killing familiars isn't my problem with her. Actively refusing any help is.How does "let familiars go so they can eat people's souls and become more witches" help people?
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I...disagree?
Bullshit.
She killed witches and familiars, and that saved lives. She stopped an entire warehouse of people from committing ritual suicide. She healed someone who was permanently disabled, and enabled them to follow their dreams.
How does "let familiars go so they can eat people's souls and become more witches" help people? How does "cripple the guy you like so he can't live without you" help people? Kyouko very explicitly was trying to get Sayaka to use magic exclusively for herself.
Hitomi. Kyousuke. Madoka. All the people who were in that warehouse. All the people who would have died to the witches and familiars that Blueberry destroyed.
She was refusing help from...
Kyouko, who is a familiar farmer. Who advocates disabling people so they depend on you. Who actively spits on her ideals, attacked her for trying to help people, and tried to get her to only use magic for herself.
And Homura, who, from Blueberry's perspective, abandoned Mami and only showed up after Mami's death, where the witch was weakened and she could take the seed freely. Homura, who admitted that she was only helping Blueberry to manipulate Madoka.
Do those sound like people you could trust on a mission to save people?
Like, if she accepts grief seeds from Kyouko, that's basically agreeing "it's okay to sacrifice people and produce more witches if I can live longer" (to fight witches). It's inherently counter-active.
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Lordsservent
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She did have good intentions, but you need to have enough flex to not do what she did and burn out in under a month(even if she did save people, she could have lasted longer if she accepted help) but also not bend enough to give in like Kyouko did. The key is finding a balance. How far do you bend? Where are my ideals flawed and how can I compromise? You can't go too far one way or the other, or else you will fall either much faster or much further then you ever expected.
Note: I am not a wise Guru, so take my words with a dose of salt.