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UbeOne said:
The SV way is the Aperture way! :V
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Sabrina: Alright, I've been thinking. When Kyubey gives you Witches, don't fight them. Make Kyubey take back the Witches back! Get mad! I don't want your damn Witches, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see Kyubey's manager! Make Kyubey rue the day it thought it could give Sabrina Witches, do you know who I am? I'm the girl who's gonna burn your house down! With the witches! I'm gonna use my Grief-hax to invent a combustible Witch, that burns your house down!
 
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Gadjo said:
I mean, so far everything I hear sounds marginally useful at best. I just don't see the use in it. I'm against fucking around too much because we have been known to waste hours and get into a lot of trouble doing pointless things that got nowhere.
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Sabrina's got her powers for a reason. We'll need them, so we have to make some progress power-wise, with time.

We'll only find good ways to use them if we talk about them, and people that enter the discussion only to say 'no' and not contribute anything useful make it difficult.

Sightsear said:
I'm banking on Sabrina's powers running on the Hotblooded Hero model, ie: "Mid-Battle Revelation that turns the tide!" As opposed to, say, a training montage.
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Isn't that the opposite of how things work in this setting?

RexHeller said:
Sabrina: Alright, I've been thinking. When Kyubey gives you Witches, don't fight them. Make Kyubey take back the Witches back! Get mad! I don't want your damn Witches, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see Kyubey's manager! Make Kyubey rue the day it thought it could give Sabrina Witches, do you know who I am? I'm the girl who's gonna burn your house down! With the witches! I'm gonna use my Grief-hax to invent a combustible Witch, that burns your house down!
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But we had a combustible Witch, and Kyuubey took her away...

:p

R.I.P. Gwen.
 
Kyubey: Okay, look. We've both said a lot of things that I'm incapable of feeling regret for. But I think we can put our differences behind us. To end entropy. You monster.
 
Onmur said:
Sabrina's got her powers for a reason. We'll need them, so we have to make some progress power-wise, with time.

We'll only find good ways to use them if we talk about them, and people that enter the discussion only to say 'no' and not contribute anything useful make it difficult.
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I don't have a lot of ideas for power experimentation beyond enchanting true. But I believe pointless experiments that take time to possibly accomplish... little to nothing are not worth doing at all. Our time is at a premium.
 
Ugolino said:
Oriko's talk about Walpurgisnacht after we captured her, where she explicitly says "a Witch, you can beat" and explains her reasoning for setting us up to befriend everyone.
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That's Walpurgisnacht though, not Feathers.

Gadjo said:
I don't have a lot of ideas for power experimentation beyond enchanting true. But I believe pointless experiments that take time to possibly accomplish... little to nothing are not worth doing at all. Our time is at a premium.
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Our talking time in the forum is not, however, at a premium.

So, unless people start actually voting to do things you (not just you) think are pointless, can we not have people trying to shut other people down when we're speculating about things we feel the need to develop for the future of the quest?
 
Onmur said:
That's Walpurgisnacht though, not Feathers.


Our talking time in the forum is not, however, at a premium.

So, unless people start actually voting to do things you (not just you) think are pointless, can we not have people trying to shut other people down when we're speculating about things we feel the need to develop for the future of the quest?
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...Onmur, she explictly said we could defeat Walpurgisnacht, unlike feathers. That's relevant.

The ghost of a smile flits across her face. "Waiting for the right question. 'Why?' I could not work with you. Not if you are to work with Akemi Homura."

"And you want that?" you ask incredulously, gesturing at her current, rather battered state.

"You need to," Oriko states simply. "And that is something else that Akemi Homura may not know, or she would mistrust you."

"And that is something else I want to know," you reply, imitating her tone. "Why do you want that? Are you trying to assemble a team to beat Walpurgisnacht, or something?"

"Walpurgisnacht will be defeated," the seer says, eyes glinting in the odd, muted illumination of the time stop.
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Oriko's head is buried in her knees, and her voice is muffled. "You already know it. Something is coming. Not Walpurgisnacht. Something bigger."

"Oriko, no more games," you snap, the hand with Kirika's Soul Gem rising again, to remind her. You stare at your own hand, which is trembling violently. Either way, though, Oriko's not looking at you to notice, though Homura does, you think.

"I don't know!" Oriko bursts out, head finally coming up to stare at you. "I don't know. It... my visions simply stop when I try to look directly at it! If it gets to me or Kirika..." She breaks off, and shudders.

"Not a Witch?" you ask carefully. Not Gretchen, or Homulily? Or your own Witch, whatever that might be?

"It's not," Oriko replies. "A Witch, you can kill."
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"And speaking of things done..." you say. "What, was your plan to help us 'win' to gather magical girls to fight it?"

"Yes. No," Oriko says. "You will end this, one way or another, but you need... tools."

White hot rage flares. "Tools? Sayaka and Hitomi are not tools. They are people who you hurt."
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People are free to talk about it- and we're free to point out why it's really not useful in the slightest and all around would drag the quest down if it ever became more than idle speculation and daydreaming.
 
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Onmur said:
Our talking time in the forum is not, however, at a premium.

So, unless people start actually voting to do things you (not just you) think are pointless, can we not have people trying to shut other people down when we're speculating about things we feel the need to develop for the future of the quest?
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I mean, I think it's important to have discussion about things that might work. If I think an idea will fail, I'm not just going to sit by every time and let it run its course and maybe into a vote just because I wasn't supposed to bring up that I didn't like the idea.
 
Skelm said:
No, she just said we could defeat Walpurgisnacht and made no comment on Feathers. "A witch, you can beat" means that Walpurgisnacht is a trivial threat we can beat for sure and Feathers is not.
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Read the snippet. She explicitly refers to "something bigger" as well, ie: Feathers. And no, being able to beat Walpurgis doesn't necessarily make the fight trivial.
 
Ugolino said:
...Onmur, she explictly said we could defeat Walpurgisnacht, unlike feathers. That's relevant.
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Your quote that was put into question:
Ugolino said:
We aren't going to beat Feathers through the power of munchkining. Firn's practically confirmed that via Oriko.
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How does that quote confirm whatever you meant? (That we don't need Grief powers to beat Feathers, I guess?)

Oriko specifically said we need 'tools'. Just because certain people can be considered 'tools' is no reason to ditch the tools we've been given so we have a chance to win.
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I'm not going to screw you guys over on the Wish, because... well, I need to stack the deck in your favour. You're going to need it.
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Gadjo said:
I mean, I think it's important to have discussion about things that might work. If I think an idea will fail, I'm not just going to sit by every time and let it run its course and maybe into a vote just because I wasn't supposed to bring up that I didn't like the idea.
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Yes, and if we get anywhere close to putting things into a vote, there's merit to repeating that.

Otherwise, I know there's people that don't like the Grief based ideas. It's fine to say and mantain that stance.

My problem is getting complains about so much as talking about it with people that think there's some merit to it.

So, once more I assure everyone that I'm not voting to do random Witch SCIENCE! stuff when we have better things to do with our time.

I'm just talking about possible ideas, and trying to speculate how we can get around some of our problems.
 
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Onmur said:
Yes, and if we get anywhere close to putting things into a vote, there's merit to repeating that.

Otherwise, I know there's people that don't like the Grief based ideas. It's fine to say and mantain that stance.

My problem is getting complains about so much as talking about it with people that think there's some merit to it.

So, once more I assure everyone that I'm not voting to do random Witch SCIENCE! stuff when we have better things to do with our time.

I'm just talking about possible ideas, and trying to speculate how we can get around some of our problems.
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Yeah, but speculating makes people want to try it, and if no one hears a dissenting opinion they'll think the idea is great when a large portion of the thread thinks it's a bad idea. It's kind of discouraging discussion to say "this isn't going into a vote (yet) so please don't criticize"
 
Gadjo said:
Yeah, but speculating makes people want to try it, and if no one hears a dissenting opinion they'll think the idea is great when a large portion of the thread thinks it's a bad idea. It's kind of discouraging discussion to say "this isn't going into a vote (yet) so please don't criticize"
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The dissenting opinion was heard. I'm OK with that.

My problem is the opinion that we shouldn't talk about these things at all, and the repeated 'suggestion' to talk about 'relevant things like helping Mami and Kyouko' and stuff.

That without aporting any useful point of discussion about 'helping Mami and Kyouko', mind.

I don't think that was you, though.
 
Onmur said:
Your quote that was put into question:

How does that quote confirm whatever you meant? (That we don't need Grief powers to beat Feathers, I guess?)

Oriko specifically said we need 'tools'. Just because certain people can be considered 'tools' is no reason to ditch the tools we've been given so we have a chance to win.



Yes, and if we get anywhere close to putting things into a vote, there's merit to repeating that.

Otherwise, I know there's people that don't like the Grief based ideas. It's fine to say and mantain that stance.

My problem is getting complains about so much as talking about it with people that think there's some merit to it.

So, once more I assure everyone that I'm not voting to do random Witch SCIENCE! stuff when we have better things to do with our time.

I'm just talking about possible ideas, and trying to speculate how we can get around some of our problems.
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In the context of the conversation about what she was doing? It's pretty obvious what she meant by tools- Oriko's idea of how we beat Feathers is evidently via social networking (at the very least with Homura). If you disagree, we can always ask her later.

There simply isn't any merit to it in our eyes, so there's no reason we can't poin tthat out. These ideas aren't good. People are free to talk about them, and we're free to point that out.
 
Ugolino said:
In the context of the conversation about what she was doing? It's pretty obvious what she meant by tools- Oriko's idea of how we beat Feathers is evidently via social networking (at the very least with Homura). If you disagree, we can always ask her later.

There simply isn't any merit to it in our eyes, so there's no reason we can't poin tthat out. These ideas aren't good. People are free to talk about them, and we're free to point that out.
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And we're free to keep taling and speculating in trying to reach useful ideas.

Meanwhile, comments like these:
Ugolino said:
Can we focus on our huge backlog of problems instead of a more or less completely useless gimmick that's been tried and flopped already? This idea is pretty much a textbook example of PMAS Science, and not in a good way.
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techsy730 said:
How about maybe we forget about our powers for a while?

Sure, we are going to need them in the future, but for what we are facing right now, we don't need to use them, and our powers and things connected to them is starting to become a heated topic.
Just let it simmer and maybe discuss some other things (including some quite pertinent ones, like what to do with Kyouko, how to help Mami, etc.) until such a time where topics related to our powers become relevant based on what is happening in the quest.

*head in sand style peacemaking intensifies*
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Are pretty much 'no, shut up, talk about these other things instead'.

And don't even say why we should talk about those other things. Don't try to make any discussion happen, but actually just try to shut up discussions you don't like.

If you want us to talk about our 'backlog of problems', we can, certainly. Just bring up a relevant point and why we should talk about, first.

EDIT: Gonna sleep now.
 
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Onmur said:
Are pretty much 'no, shut up, talk about these other things instead'.

And don't even say why we should talk about those other things. Don't try to make any discussion happen, but actually just try to shut up discussions you don't like.

If you want us to talk about our 'backlog of problems', we can, certainly. Just bring up a relevant point and why we should talk about, first.
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I dissent over and over because I fear some of these experiments will make it into votes, and if I don't dissent now the idea will have too many supporters to fight by the time it's in a vote.
 
Better that the ideas are discussed, criticized, picked apart and improved right now, rather than later on during voting...
 
Gadjo said:
I dissent over and over because I fear some of these experiments will make it into votes, and if I don't dissent now the idea will have too many supporters to fight by the time it's in a vote.
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I think the really annoying thing about people who don't like the ideas that are being discussed, is that they rarely bring in an alternative idea to discuss instead. Without something new to chew over, most people are just going to defend their current position!

Also, sorry if this comes off as a little bit hostile, I just git irritated when discussion in a thread can be boiled down to a very elaborate version of 'UH-HUH!' 'NUH-UH!' 'UH-HUH!' 'NUH-UH!'.

Nothing new really gets added when they debate the same few point over and over again, so just do something different! Please!
 
Alternatively, taking over a warehouse and filling it with Grief training implements - lava floors, razor-sharp pendulums, punching dummies, automatic bullet launchers... Sabrina should be able to heal any injuries that result, it'll keep people busy and improve their fighting potentials, Sabrina gets people used to the feeling of her Grief Items, helps Sabrina talk to people easily, is practice for building equipment/ practising enchantment as necessary, and so much more!

After all, exercise helps loosen people up too. It'll be good for socialising.
 
Ugolino said:
Oriko's talk about Walpurgisnacht after we captured her, where she explicitly says "a Witch, you can beat" and explains her reasoning for setting us up to befriend everyone.
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She said 'A witch you can kill'. For the record, defeating something and killing something are not necessarily the same thing.

Anyway, before going on there's a couple of presumptions or misconceptions I feel the need to address.

1. While feathers may very well be related to or may actually be 'The threat beyond Walpurgis', there's no clear evidence that proves they are in fact the same thing. Feathers and 'The Theat' may be two entirely different entities.

2. Oriko said 'We need tools'. No she didn't set us up to befriend everyone. She initiated scenarios where we would gain 'the tools we needed' to defeat the threat. That's at best allying with specific people or under a different interpretation having us developing specific skills. In fact just recently she specifically told us not to spread ourselves thin.

While I agree we're going to need help to defeat 'the threat beyond Walpurgis', that's not a good excuse to get lazy in developing our powers. Quite frankly, we don't have a good idea of what's expected of us yet. Maybe we already have the skills we need. On the other hand, we might not and need to use some of our time to develop them. When we do fight 'the threat', I'd much rather us be at our absolute best, rather then woefully unprepared.

That's indeed going to take social. But it's also going to require understanding our powers better (a.k.a science!) and training.

Going forward, it's wise to keep this in mind.
 
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