And Kyubey can just as easily point out (correctly) that the immediate results of the wish do NOT have to be catastrophic (though it will "helpfully" leave out the parts about the potential eventual results).
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Vote edited to point out that it doesn't have to be immediately catastrophic for it to become so.And Kyubey can just as easily point out (correctly) that the immediate results of the wish do NOT have to be catastrophic (though it will "leave out" the parts about the potential eventual results).
We can't really get into that without revealing secrets that aren't ours. Plus, Homura is going to be right there.I think we should focus on the "make Homura sad" part. It's a more personal reason not to contract.
Let us suppose that my lifespan is without limit, though I can be killed in all the normal fashions. Across this infinite lifespan, my chance of fatally choking on my daily repast goes to one. By your reasoning, then, I should eschew food entirely and starve, secure in the soundness of my logic.Every magical girl they created was an independent chance for a catastrophic failure, so over the infinite time period they planned to operate their failure chance was 1. It is not unreasonable to call them incompetent for using a plan that was literally certain to fail.
Ding! +1 to the counter!"... Oh, Sabrina," she says with a fond sigh, turning the bar over in her hands.
Ding! Make that +2!
In front of Sayaka's no time to be asking her about that. Justice-chan's got enough issues without also having to deal with the family she's indebted to being criminal scum.We missed an opportunity to ask Hitomi if she really is a Yakuza Princess.
And wasting food! Truly the sign of irredeemable evil. In the name of apples, Kyouko will punish her!Her idea of "evil" seems to be wearing risque clothing, smirking alot, and breaking dishes.
She doesn't respond to threats to herself. Threats to literally everyone she takes more seriously.1. I don't think Madoka is the type to really respond the way we want to "scare 'em straight" style tactics (see...many of the loops of canon), nor do I think Homura will appreciate us trying it.
This will just go right over Madoka's head.-[X]Madoka...you're probably one of the most important people here, honestly.
Alright, let me try to write up a serious vote that I intend to be implemented.
[X] Exact phrasing and description being up to Firnagzen, obviously. This is simply to indicate the overall feel this vote is intending.
[X] Give Homura an understanding and supportive smile, "Of course."
[X] Go over the vote in abeyance.
[X] Accompanied with: (Again, gist, not specific wording -- I trust Firnagzen to correct any differences between my 'voice' and Sabrina's)
-[X] "Madoka, there's a lot of stuff that I can't talk about. Because it's not my place, or because it would do more harm than good. You remember what state I was in when you and Sayaka found me? I don't remember anything about myself... but in place of those memories, I know things that should be impossible for me to know. That's why I knew how to make the wish I did.
-[X] "But one of the things I know is that Kyuubey is actively manipulating things, people, events... to try to force you to make a contract, whether you want to or not. He's trying to do this because he gets a lot of energy from magical girls making a contract. The thing is, Kyuubey doesn't really care about humans. If something happened as a result of a wish that would kill everyone in the world, Kyuubey wouldn't do a thing.
-[X] "Madoka, you have so much potential that if you make a contract with Kyuubey, it would threaten the entire world, no matter what wish you made. You might wish for a cake and the resulting cake could be so large it might threaten all life on Earth. Even if the results aren't immediately catastrophic, they will be eventually. I know you want to help, I can see it whenever something bad happens. But if you make a contract with Kyuubey, you're gambling with the happiness and sanity and lives of everyone on Earth.
-[X] "I know how much you want to help, to do something good. You don't have to be a magical girl to do that, though. And there's some things that a magical girl can't do. That's why I want you to help me make sure our friends are okay. I can help by using magic, but that's really all I can do. Every time I try to help the person I just seem to make it worse. I need your help with this, Madoka. I don't have anyone in the world besides you guys. If the worst happens... losing any of you would be like losing family."
--[X] If at any point Homura tenses up and a reassuring smile to her would not give away her secrets, give her one. Otherwise, poker-face through her reaction.
--[X] If at any point Madoka is uncomfortable, give her a reassuring smile too.
--[X] Emphasize that magical girls need to have non-magical girls for support and friends.
Tagging the Mitakihara Girls: @EtchedSteel, @Gadjo, @Muramasa, @Ugolino (hit my profile). Input? Thoughts? Insults, and demands that I shut my cakehole?
EDIT: Very last line edited in light of feedback.
-[X] Try to give Homura 'telepathic smile'. "Of course." Take Madoka and Homura aside.
[X] Madoka. First of all, I want to say... well, there's quite a few things I can't say. Harmful knowledge, or just things are not mine to tell. What I can say is that, in my head, you might just be the most important person in here.
[X] I, we, need you, now more than ever, what with Sayaka...
[X] Look, for Magical Girls, you know what's done to our Souls. That seems bad enough, doesn't it? It's far from the worse thing Kyuubey does to us.
-[X] You know Magic is kept a secret. Not only does Kyuubey erase the memories of people who witness Magic, its manipulations go far beyond that; the 'Magical Girl' culture, media, things like anime shows and such, these are all tools Kyuubey uses to put the idea into every girl's head that the life of a Magical Girl is a glamorous, nice adventure of a double life that's all fun and...
-[X] It's really a way to isolate Magical GIrls from the 'rest' of their lives. It's the little things one doesn't question: Magical life and 'normal' life are different things, you get magical friends on one side, normal friends on the other side; magical tasks on one side, normal ones on the other... And it's nothing like the romantic double life of a super Hero, it's just... crushing. It's too much. You just... end up throwing away what you can't keep up with, and keep what you immediately need.
-[X] So you throw away your 'normal' activities, your 'normal' friends, your 'normal' needs, like eating and sleeping... all the things that keep you sane. Human.
-[X] So, what I'm trying to say, is that one thing I want to ask of you... is to be here for us. We need a friend who'll keep us from falling apart, who won't let us forget that we're people. And honestly, you're a pretty amazing friend as you are.
[X] There's more, though. As I've hope I've made clear, Kyuubey is very much manipulating everything, and everyone, pretty much all the time. It doesn't really care one bit about Humanity. Kyuubey gets a profit out of every contract it makes. Energy... it somehow harvests energy out of human emotions, and contracts.
-[X] And it's got its eye on you. It wants you to contract because it knows... your magical potential is terrifying. It's... Earthshattering, at least. You wishing would destroy out World, and maybe more than that.
-[X] Kyuubey is ready to write off our planet, and our Solar System even, in order to get that energy. That's about the long and short of it.
[X] And... this is something of a personal request. I have a problem.
-[X] You heard my Wish. I Wished hoping I could help Magical Girls, specially those close to me.
-[X] And I think I've got something good, really. But as I've explained, what I aimed for, it's just the immediate concern; mind, it's a pretty big one, Grief drives Magical Girls into desperation until it kills them, but...
-[X] That's just it, I can solve the Magical Grief issue. I can't really do much about the mundane grief, the underlying problem.
-[X] It's like when I try to help someone, I think so much about all the things that threaten their lives, I think about what actions they should take to... optimize their chances... and I just can't see the for the people they are, until it's too late. I'm afraid my power won't amount to much until I can learn to treat people like people, first and foremost.
-[X] And I'm hoping you can help me with that. I'm not asking you to psychoanalize anybody, or to have all the answers, but would it be OK to talk with you some times...? I feel you're the only one who has the right... perspective. I think you can help me, all of us, more than you know, just being who you are.
[X] Try to give Homura 'telepathic smile'. "Of course." Take Madoka and Homura aside.
[X] Madoka. First of all, I want to say... well, there's quite a few things I can't say. Harmful knowledge, or just things are not mine to tell. What I can say is that, in my head, you might just be the most important person in here.
[X] I, we, need you, now more than ever, what with Sayaka...
[X] Look, for Magical Girls, you know what's done to our Souls. That seems bad enough, doesn't it? It's far from the worse thing Kyuubey does to us.
-[X] Explain how Kyuubey keeps magic secret, and manipulates human media and culture in order to make Magical Girls isolate themselves, lose the normality of their lives that keeps them sane, and basically make them kill themselves, if they don't get killed first.
[X] Ask Madoka to simply keep being the amazing friend she's been. She really helps keep everybody from falling apart.
[X] There's more.
-[X] Explain Kyuubey's motivation: Energy, and how it harvests it.
-[X] And Madoka, Kyuubey's got its eye on you. It wants you to contract because it knows... your magical potential is terrifying. It's... Earthshattering, at least. You wishing would destroy out World, and maybe more than that.
-[X] Kyuubey is ready to write off our planet, and our Solar System even, in order to get that energy. That's about the long and short of it.
[X] And... this is something of a personal request. I have a problem.
-[X] You heard my Wish. I Wished hoping I could help Magical Girls, specially those close to me.
-[X] And it works pretty well... one the Magical side of things. The real, underlying issue, well, we pretty much suck at helping that.
-[X] We're too quick to see people as problems, and forget that they are people.
-[X] And I'm hoping you can help me with that. I'm not asking you to psychoanalize anybody, or to have all the answers, but would it be OK to talk with you some times...? I feel you're the only one who has the right... perspective. I think you can help me, all of us, more than you know, just being who you are.
Oh my god, I shouldn't make jokes in here. Why do people take them seriously.
Hey, it'd mean we could keep her safe!Madoka uses her Madofrown to force Sabrina to carry her everywhere on a GriefthroneChair.
Because we're insane.Oh my god, I shouldn't make jokes in here. Why do people take them seriously.
No, we're sane. We've got plenty of sanity. In fact, you could say we've got an excess of sanity.
You maybe. Me, I'm just flat out nuts.No, we're sane. We've got plenty of sanity. In fact, you could say we've got an excess of sanity.