Please state where I have been against this, because I have not said any such thing. Teach how to survive, then send her on her way.
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
- Thread starter Firnagzen
- Start date
-
- Tags
- puella magi adfligo systema puella magi madoka magica be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist bad decisions dating mami tomoe (tomoe mami) diabolical laughter friendship is the best ship handholding identity crises microwaving tea gets you put in the bad place names are important the body is the fursona of the soul this is not the baked goods thread we don't talk about rionna what could possibly go wrong? who in the world is azure sanfrancisco?
No, we wouldn't.
But it's a Mami witchbomb. Which is all kinds of not good at this point. Which is going to have reprecussions, especially if it actually kills her or if word gets out to, say, Madoka.
It'd be a disaster at the very least. I think there's a definite chance it'd BAD END us if the situation got bad enough and we didn't handle it exactly right. One we can minimize the risk of just by a bit of extra social with a character that doesn't like us.
Treat Ono as a hostile Kyoko and the worst that happens is a few wasted updates on social before we go for the 'screw Ono' plan. Just write her off and we're going to have many more problems down the line.
If we haven't gotten through to her by then, we've failed. Teaching her to survive also involves making sure her problems don't make it impossible for her to survive.
So...we're more or less on the same page?
Muramasa
Best Girl
[X] In a perfect world, you wouldn't have to fight the witches at all. You wouldn't have to depend on their grief seeds just to survive.
[X] There are things I'm working on, workable alternatives so that you don't have to risk your life on a daily bases. I'm hoping to bring those out in the not too distant future. They aren't ready yet.
[X] Until then, my powers are better suited as a supplement. I suppose I technically could just come by to cleanse your gem and refresh any grief seeds you have at the time. But I don't think that arrangement is healthy for either of us.
[X] Which brings us to here. All I want out of this conversation is to give you the tools you need to survive. That's all I ever wanted.
[X] I know this has been a rocky start, but we are worried about you. We want you to succeed.
[X] In that regard. Mami and Homura are the real veterans. Mami in particular has successfully trained several magical girls. Two of them now undisputably oversee the territory of Kasamino And West Mitakihara respectively.
[X] There are things I'm working on, workable alternatives so that you don't have to risk your life on a daily bases. I'm hoping to bring those out in the not too distant future. They aren't ready yet.
[X] Until then, my powers are better suited as a supplement. I suppose I technically could just come by to cleanse your gem and refresh any grief seeds you have at the time. But I don't think that arrangement is healthy for either of us.
[X] Which brings us to here. All I want out of this conversation is to give you the tools you need to survive. That's all I ever wanted.
[X] I know this has been a rocky start, but we are worried about you. We want you to succeed.
[X] In that regard. Mami and Homura are the real veterans. Mami in particular has successfully trained several magical girls. Two of them now undisputably oversee the territory of Kasamino And West Mitakihara respectively.
Last edited:
Gadjo
Doka
Kiiind of a lie. She could totally ignore her powers and be no worse for the wear with us around.
Likely to backfire this early.
...and then she goes off and tries to solo a Witch with predictable results since we told her our powers were just a supplement and Witch fighting is mandatory? Between Ono derping up Witch fights and getting herself hurt/killed and us dropping in to cleanse, I still prefer the babysitting with cleansing.
I do like the teammate line though. Not the time right now- wait until she's calmer and not looking at us with loathing before asking because otherwise she's going to say "NO I DON'T WANT TO BE YOUR TEAMMATE" which is going to make for problems.
Sorry, but I think not giving her the option of sitting out the Witch-fighting is the wrong call here. It's a well-crafted vote, but that part kills it. Sticking with mine.
Last edited:
Not really, imo. Teaching her to survive doesn't equal befriending her like you are advocating for us to do.
Muramasa
Best Girl
It's a level of dependency that sabotages her development as a magical girl. Just because we can technically do it doesn't mean we should.
Befriending her is going to make her more receptive and let us do something about her issues. It'll make the necessary updates where we teach her less painful to read than when she loathes us, and reduces the odds that something will go wrong and we'll need to social an angry, hostile Ono.
Let me ask you something: do you really think this set of updates is all there is to Ono as a character? Firn didn't give her to us as the first potential recruit by accident. He knows how we're likely to take her responses. Do we really want to do the obvious kneejerk reaction and write her off?
She's not going to develop if she gets herself killed. We can start cleansing her, then move on to teaching her every so often.
For starters, maybe we can get her to drop that stupid magic glamor after a while.
Last edited:
Gadjo
Doka
I see no problem with being friendly though? It's easier to teach people who you're friendly with.
I mean, true, but she knows we can cleanse, yes? What's to keep her from saying "Well if you're so worried about me, then why don't you just cleanse me and let me not fight?"
It'd be a pretty fair question.
I don't really care, sorry.
Muramasa
Best Girl
Because it's not going to stop her with having to deal with the magical world, there are going to be scenarios in which she has to fight. Leaving her dependent on our cleansing will have her unprepared for it.
I've got a morbid curiosity as to just how this would work. What would our favorite eldritch abomination do with such power?
Yeah...saying she needs to fight when we blatantly could make that unnecessary seems a bit like a)taking choice away from her, b)forcing her to do it at metaphorical gunpoint. She's just starting to talk to us again, I don't think that'll go over well.
I basically want to help the NPC because that's the kind of character I want to play here.
If this was Homu or Kyouko Quest, then yeah, screw her, but in PMAS?
No thank you. Save the Ono, help the Ono.
Then we're just going to disagree. I want to get through to Ono. I want to know what makes her tick and her to be part of the team. I want Sabrina the character to give a damn about someone she doesn't know yet but who clearly has problems, to believe that there's someone worth helping and befriending under the hostility and stupid decision making- and for Ono to be the first success story for the character.
I basically want to help the NPC because that's the kind of character I want to play here.
If this was Homu or Kyouko Quest, then yeah, screw her, but in PMAS?
No thank you. Save the Ono, help the Ono.
Step 1 is cleansing, step 2 is teaching her Meguca 101 (including how to fight) on the side. We agree she needs to know it, but I strongly disagree that we should try forcing her into it since that's likely to backfire and make her look on us even less kindly. If we hadn't screwed up with the appointment, sure, it'd be viable but right now...not so much.
Last edited:
Gadjo
Doka
I mean, fair enough, but again: she's nooooot quite in any mood for the teammate line, and the fighting line could use a revision to make it clearer that we're willing to cleanse her so she doesn't have to fight too often, but that she will be cornered into a fight eventually, one way or another.
Well, at that point, I'd have to say we're at an impasse. She's a person and I'm not okay with just discarding her hoping she survives on us cleansing her because it's clear that she won't.
All these salty tsun-tsuns throwing up barriers 'cause they don't wanna get to know Ono.
Aww man, bringing back memories about how scared we were of talking to Kyoko a second time.
Eeh eeh eeh heh. We're going to
befriend her, and there's nothing the tsundres can do about it~
" I want Sabrina the character to give a damn about someone shedoesn't know yet but who clearly has problems, to believe that there's someone worth helpingand befriending under the hostilityand stupid decision making- and for Ono to be the first success story for the character."
^ I would also like this.
Aww man, bringing back memories about how scared we were of talking to Kyoko a second time.
Eeh eeh eeh heh. We're going to
befriend her, and there's nothing the tsundres can do about it~
" I want Sabrina the character to give a damn about someone shedoesn't know yet but who clearly has problems, to believe that there's someone worth helpingand befriending under the hostilityand stupid decision making- and for Ono to be the first success story for the character."
^ I would also like this.
Last edited:
Nothing tsundere about it for me.
This is baiting and is completely unnecessary.
Yeah, the Kyoko situation really is how I see this situation as well. Not how I'd refer to the dissenters- I can see why they're annoyed at Ono- but...
Also, vote tally. Phantom voted Mura at the top of the page for the last update so I removed that from the tally. Onmur's vote didn't have x's in it as of the time it was tallied. It was here: https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/posts/4106044/
Vote tally:
##### 3.21
[x] Ugo
No. of votes: 1
AuraTwilight
[X] Ugolino
No. of votes: 5
MrLZRS, Dirtnap, Godwinson, MissingJimbo, Gadjo
[x] onmur
No. of votes: 1
noahgab1133
[x]Depends. Do you want to fight Witches? Either way, you're going to need to get Grief Seeds or cleanses to stay alive. Nothing's going to change that.
-[x]Look, you don't have to like me, but you'll need me to drop by and cleanse your gem or used seeds regularly if you don't want to learn how to fight. And if that's what you want, that's alright too.
--[x]If I leave you grief seeds, you can't just give them to Kyubey when you're done with them again. They're very precious to other magical girls, and it's a massive waste when I can just cleanse them.
-[x]Of course, if you just want to get rid of me and do things your way, the best way to do that is to let us teach you how to do that. How to fight, maybe how to use less magic. You'll need to hunt Witches after that, barbaric or not, but you won't need to see as much of me.
--[x]You don't need to- and shouldn't- fight alone, either. You can ask some of the other local girls if they'd be willing to hunt together with you. Tell her about Masami and Hiroko. You can ask them if they'd be willing to work with her.
[x]What you can't do is be a lone magical girl who doesn't fight Witches. That'll kill you in a week. Days if you can't turn your magic off.
[x]It's up to you.
No. of votes: 1
Ugolino
[X] In a perfect world, you wouldn't have to fight the witches at all. You wouldn't have to depend on their grief seeds just to survive.
[X] There are things I'm working on, workable alternatives so that you don't have to risk your life on a daily bases. I'm hoping to bring those out in the not too distant future. They aren't ready yet.
[X] Until then, my powers are at best a supplement. You are going to have to fight.
[X] Which brings us to here. All I want out of this conversation is to give you the tools you need to survive. That's all I ever wanted.
[X] I know this has been a rocky start, but we are worried about you. We want you to succeed. And, if you'd have me, I'd still like to be your teammate.
No. of votes: 1
Muramasa
##### 3.21
[x] Ugo
No. of votes: 1
AuraTwilight
[X] Ugolino
No. of votes: 5
MrLZRS, Dirtnap, Godwinson, MissingJimbo, Gadjo
[x] onmur
No. of votes: 1
noahgab1133
[x]Depends. Do you want to fight Witches? Either way, you're going to need to get Grief Seeds or cleanses to stay alive. Nothing's going to change that.
-[x]Look, you don't have to like me, but you'll need me to drop by and cleanse your gem or used seeds regularly if you don't want to learn how to fight. And if that's what you want, that's alright too.
--[x]If I leave you grief seeds, you can't just give them to Kyubey when you're done with them again. They're very precious to other magical girls, and it's a massive waste when I can just cleanse them.
-[x]Of course, if you just want to get rid of me and do things your way, the best way to do that is to let us teach you how to do that. How to fight, maybe how to use less magic. You'll need to hunt Witches after that, barbaric or not, but you won't need to see as much of me.
--[x]You don't need to- and shouldn't- fight alone, either. You can ask some of the other local girls if they'd be willing to hunt together with you. Tell her about Masami and Hiroko. You can ask them if they'd be willing to work with her.
[x]What you can't do is be a lone magical girl who doesn't fight Witches. That'll kill you in a week. Days if you can't turn your magic off.
[x]It's up to you.
No. of votes: 1
Ugolino
[X] In a perfect world, you wouldn't have to fight the witches at all. You wouldn't have to depend on their grief seeds just to survive.
[X] There are things I'm working on, workable alternatives so that you don't have to risk your life on a daily bases. I'm hoping to bring those out in the not too distant future. They aren't ready yet.
[X] Until then, my powers are at best a supplement. You are going to have to fight.
[X] Which brings us to here. All I want out of this conversation is to give you the tools you need to survive. That's all I ever wanted.
[X] I know this has been a rocky start, but we are worried about you. We want you to succeed. And, if you'd have me, I'd still like to be your teammate.
No. of votes: 1
Muramasa
Editing vote slightly to make it more clear us cleansing doesn't mean her not learning how to fight.
[x]Depends. Do you want to fight Witches? Either way, you're going to need to get Grief Seeds or cleanses to stay alive. Nothing's going to change that.
-[x]Look, you don't have to like me, but you'll need me to drop by and cleanse your gem or used seeds regularly if you don't want to have to fight Witches. And if that's what you want, that's alright too.
--[x]If I leave you grief seeds, please don't give them to Kyubey when you're done with them again. They're very precious to other magical girls, and it's a massive waste when I can just cleanse them.
-[x]Of course, if you just want to get rid of me and do things your way, the best way to do that is to let us teach you how to do that. How to fight, maybe how to use less magic. You'll need to hunt Witches after that, barbaric or not, but you won't need to see as much of me.
--[x]You don't need to- and shouldn't- fight alone, either, even if you don't want to work with us anymore. There are other local girls. We can ask them if they'd be willing to work with her.
[x]What you can't do is be a lone magical girl who doesn't fight Witches. That'll kill you in a week. Days if you can't turn your magic off.
Last edited:
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
- Location
- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
I still dislike this line because, as I mentioned earlier, there's zero indication that's she's unwilling to fight witches. Zero indication that she's unwilling to team up with someone (aside from us), either- just the opposite, in fact, given our first meeting with her.
She was about to go fight one on her own in order to... i don't know, avoid talking to us or something. Unless she's willing to talk about why she thinks this was a rational decision on her part, we're deliberately making this assumption in order to make a rhetorical point.
- Location
- South Africa
" I want Sabrina the character to give a damn about someone shedoesn't know yet but who clearly has problems, to believe that there's someone worth helpingand befriending under the hostilityand stupid decision making- and for Ono to be the first success story for the character."
I also want this.
Besides, think how awesome it'll feel to get someone as abrasive as Ono to be our friend! It'll be the ultimate show of what we can do! The greatest achievement!
[x] Ugolino
We can get Ono to like us. It'll be hard, but it'll be worth it. Maybe bring ice-cream next time we cleanse? Food makes bonding easier. Maybe even training her will help break the ice. But one thing we absolutely have to do is be friendlier. Sabrina can be a lot friendlier than she has been recently. I know so.
I also want this.
Besides, think how awesome it'll feel to get someone as abrasive as Ono to be our friend! It'll be the ultimate show of what we can do! The greatest achievement!
[x] Ugolino
We can get Ono to like us. It'll be hard, but it'll be worth it. Maybe bring ice-cream next time we cleanse? Food makes bonding easier. Maybe even training her will help break the ice. But one thing we absolutely have to do is be friendlier. Sabrina can be a lot friendlier than she has been recently. I know so.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
- Location
- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
Have we actually brought this up with her yet? Asked why she decided on that? I don't remember us having done so, but it's very possible we have and I just missed it. But if we haven't, it'd probably make more sense to ask her directly than take the indirect/inaccurate approach- she asked to team up already, so if we start talking like she didn't then I don't think it'll end brilliantly.
Last edited:
I think we've mostly decided to be passive-aggressive about these things and wait for her to tell us what problem she has with us instead of asking.
The "just ask what's up" votes are unpopular, mainly (i suspect) as a side effect of being short. People would rather come up with a grand unified plan to do everything in the next update (even if it requires making assumptions and not getting anyone else's input) rather than pick a rational single next step - this has been an ongoing problem at least since Sendai.
The "just ask what's up" votes are unpopular, mainly (i suspect) as a side effect of being short. People would rather come up with a grand unified plan to do everything in the next update (even if it requires making assumptions and not getting anyone else's input) rather than pick a rational single next step - this has been an ongoing problem at least since Sendai.
Last edited:
*shrugs*
I don't see how. But I guess we'll find out anyway.
Edited again to clarify that it's "even if she doesn't want to work with us anymore"...