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Onmur said:
Not during time stop.

Mind, I'd still like to solve this without Oriko if we can.


What about?
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If there are unpleasant futures where Ono dies, or "dies" and if we can take steps to prevent it. Because, yes, something is very wrong here and not just SV being SV with social. Ono is a massive bitch and breaking in was the wrong tack, but there IS probably something else that made this happen.

I mean surely Ono wouldn't want to sever all ties with Sabrina over getting blown off once then having us show up and apologize, right?

landcollector said:
Why? We shouldn't have to apologize every time we even so much as say "hello" to Oriko, that is just going far too overboard imo.
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She's Sabrina's friend. Sabrina knows Oriko is a sore spot for her (by which I mean ALL OF THE TRAUMA), made her a promise to effectively keep her in the loop about things, and is pulling Oriko in anyway despite Homura not trusting her.

Not saying we dwell on it, but a quick 'Yeah, sorry, I'm asking Oriko about it' wouldn't hurt.
 
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Ugolino said:
So...we just ignore that Homura effectively has a complex about us trusting Oriko too much, is worried about us replying on her- to the point where she nearly shut us out again over us being too trusting of her- and generally will take us asking Oriko badly?
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Please tell me where I stated this. I'm saying that too many apologies will make the gesture quickly appear insincere and overused in Homura's eyes.
 
landcollector said:
Please tell me where I stated this. I'm saying that too many apologies will make the gesture quickly appear insincere and overused in Homura's eyes.
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Maybe, but what's the alternative? I'm saying that saying nothing seems like the only alternative, and that my post is what saying nothing effectively does.

An apology gets across that we're taking Homura's feelings into account here before deciding to bring Oriko in.

I mean we could go
[]We know you don't like it, Homura, but we need to see if Oriko knows anything
or the like but somehow that seems worse.
 
landcollector said:
Why? We shouldn't have to apologize every time we even so much as say "hello" to Oriko, that is just going far too overboard imo.
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Haaah... that'd be kind of passive aggresive, wouldn't it?


Sabrina: "Hey Homura, sorry, but I need to ask Oriko something."

Homura: *Nods*

Sabrina: "I'm really sorry Homura, but I've got something else that would be much easier to consult with Oriko, if that's OK?"

Homura: "It's fine."

Sabrina: "OK, but hey, maybe I should get Oriko to check up on everybody, in case something happens?"

Homura: "... OK."

Sabrina: "While I'm at it, I'll consult with Oriko about the Grief Seed, if that is fine with you?"

Homura: "Mm-hm."

Sabrina: "And I really apologize, Homura, I know you don't like her, but it would be really convenient if I ask Oriko to check up on the Soujous and any other possible threat, not that we can't deal with things but you know it'd be safer this way, is that OK?"

Homura: *Stares*

Sabrina: "You're fine if I check wth Oriko?"

Homura: *Slow nod*

Sabrina: "Great! Do you think we can take Oriko and Kirika flyi-"

Homura: "Mmh! Grlmrnglmn...!" *Stomps off*

Sabrina: "... Almost."
 
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Godwinson said:
Random832 said:
Or we could simply go for a semi-silly response.

[] You and I remember Sendai very differently. For example, I don't remember you being there at all.
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That is magnificent. Even if Sabrina doesn't say it, I still vote that she resists the urge to say it.
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Firnagzen said:
You and I remember Sendai very differently. For example, I don't remember you being there at all.
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Hurray! *celebratory dance*
 
Come to think of it, why not just flat out ask her what her problems are with us? We know several reasons for her to be annoyed, but she might spill the beans about anything else if we ask.

Also, we can stress the importance of Ono not giving any more grief seeds to Kyubey a bit more in the vote. I don't want a repeat of this scene.
 
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Ugolino said:
Come to think of it, why not just flat out ask her what her problems are with us? We know several reasons for her to be annoyed, but she might spill the beans about anything else if we ask.

Also, we can stress the importance of Ono not giving any more grief seeds to Kyubey a bit more in the vote. I don't want a repeat of this scene.
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Well, she's made it pretty clear she's got a problem with us acting like we have the right to do anything whatsoever. :p

It's not like we haven't predicted the existance of megucas that would resent us simply for our power.

Ono is like those parts of Sabrina that are thinking of all the ways our actions could be interpreted as something bad, but without that parts that realize we're helping things get better after all.

On to your question, maybe we can ask her directly if she could tell us what her problems with us are, but when? Maybe if we hit a roadblock in the talk and we get stonewalled? Or maybe after we're done telling her everything we need to do, before we go home?
 
techsy730 said:
Popping back in for a sec to say...

Megane's hostility is completely justified; we FUCKING BROKE INTO HER HOUSE! Yea, we thought it was a life and death situation so it was justifiable before, but as soon as we saw that it wasn't a life and death situation, we should of left, not rifled through her personal stuff and tried to confront her.
She was in the right to attack us, and we are in the wrong for insisting to be here and freaking tying her up!

I am actually legitimately angry and disgusted with how you (not "we", I had no part in this) have handled this.

I say we need to profusely apologize for what we did wrong, and fucking leave.

EDIT: When I said " life or death" situation, I meant of the immediate kind. Megane's situation, while bad, was not in an immediate life or death state, thus, not under the "emergency clause" for acceptable reasons to violate private property.
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Us breaking in was completely justified too. She refused to listen to information that could mean the difference between life and death, had no grief seeds, and was already at a quarter again. Sometimes you have to do things people really don't want you to to help them; "respecting her choice" and not invading her house would have meant she would refused to listen, and then she could have very well died or been in very poor shape the next day.
 
Onmur said:
Well, she's made it pretty clear she's got a problem with us acting like we have the right to do anything whatsoever. :p

It's not like we haven't predicted the existance of megucas that would resent us simply for our power.

Ono is like those parts of Sabrina that are thinking of all the ways our actions could be interpreted as something bad, but without that parts that realize we're helping things get better after all.

On to your question, maybe we can ask her directly if she could tell us what her problems with us are, but when? Maybe if we hit a roadblock in the talk and we get stonewalled? Or maybe after we're done telling her everything we need to do, before we go home?
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Well, yeah, she's resentful...but this is a bit of a shift from her first contact attitude. She could have told us to just go away but she agreed to join the team. What changed other than being blown off and breaking and entering?

Maybe, but we should do it before the conversation ends. It's another reason I don't want us to lash out or say we don't want to be friends with her- ideally, we would find out what her problem is, and fix it.
 
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Ugolino said:
Well, yeah, she's resentful...but this is a bit of a shift from her first contact attitude.

Maybe, but we should do it before the conversation ends. It's another reason I don't want us to lash out or say we don't want to be friends with her- ideally, we would find out what her problem is, and fix it.
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OK, I get trying to 'fix everything' in a vague way.

I get 'fixing' the meguca problems.

I get fixing the system.

But fixing teenagerness?

You play gods.
 
Ugolino said:
Befriending is mandatory. :p
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Befriending is non-negotiable.

[SABRINA PRIME INTENSIFIES]

Random thought: Homura is amazing and all, and it's nice that she doesn't mind us borrowing her timestop skills whenever, but we should talk with her about the value of her time and skills and check if she would be fine if we paid for her time in hugs? Something like, every 5 minutes in timestop = 1 hug.
 
Although, there it's possible that there could be more to it, Megane has plenty of reasons to dislike us. Do you guys seriously not get how screwed up it is to forcibly break into someone's house and room, especially after they make it clear that they want to be left alone.? And there are definitely people who would have reacted the same she did to Sabrina abruptly dropping the meeting in the afternoon. Yeah, she's being remarkably petty and passive aggressive about it, but then again, teenagers. She could even just be the type of person who just doesn't really get along with someone like Sabrina. And what happened in Sendai doesn't look all to good from an outside perspective, especially if it's Coobs telling the story. If it was really him, who knows what else he's told her about us?

And similar to what Onmur said, she's been exposed a to some of Sabrina's worst traits without context for the good intentions or reasons behind them.
 
Agent Whiskers said:
Although, there it's possible that there could be more to it, Megane has plenty of reasons to dislike us. Do you guys seriously not get how screwed up it is to forcibly break into someone's house and room, especially after they make it clear that they want to be left alone.? And there are definitely people who would have reacted the same she did to Sabrina abruptly dropping the meeting in the afternoon. Yeah, she's being remarkably petty and passive aggressive about it, but then again, teenagers. She could even just be the type of person who just doesn't really get along with someone like Sabrina. And what happened in Sendai doesn't look all to good from an outside perspective, especially if it's Coobs telling the story. If it was really him, who knows what else he's told her about us?

And similar to what Onmur said, she's been exposed a to some of Sabrina's worst traits without context for the good intentions or reasons behind them.
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We broke in, yes, but Ono letting Sendai slip suggests there's a lot more to things than her being furious over our actions. We don't even know how much of her reaction is her and how much is her magical poker face.
 
Ugolino said:
We broke in, yes, but Ono letting Sendai slip suggests there's a lot more to things than her being furious over our actions. We don't even know how much of her reaction is her and how much is her magical poker face.
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She's probably been stewing on her thoughts all day long, looking for reasons to hate us and dump all responsability for the World being wrong on us, since we're such an easy target due to our apparent Gilgameshing.

Kyubey must have loved spending the afternoon with her.
 
Agent Whiskers said:
Although, there it's possible that there could be more to it, Megane has plenty of reasons to dislike us. Do you guys seriously not get how screwed up it is to forcibly break into someone's house and room, especially after they make it clear that they want to be left alone.? And there are definitely people who would have reacted the same she did to Sabrina abruptly dropping the meeting in the afternoon. Yeah, she's being remarkably petty and passive aggressive about it, but then again, teenagers. She could even just be the type of person who just doesn't really get along with someone like Sabrina. And what happened in Sendai doesn't look all to good from an outside perspective, especially if it's Coobs telling the story. If it was really him, who knows what else he's told her about us?

And similar to what Onmur said, she's been exposed a to some of Sabrina's worst traits without context for the good intentions or reasons behind them.
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Oh it's screwed up, yeah. She has every reason to be angry, and I don't blame her for that.

However, she needs help. Whether she wants to admit it or not. She'll die without our help, and since she won't accept it, forceful intervention was called for.


Edit: Ono knew one of the people who died in Sendai didn't she?
 
Ugolino said:
We broke in, yes, but Ono letting Sendai slip suggests there's a lot more to things than her being furious over our actions. We don't even know how much of her reaction is her and how much is her magical poker face.
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She could just think that people should stay out of things that don't concern them. Mind your own business, things like that. There are plenty of people like that. There was also her reaction when we said went to investigate Ishinomaki.
 
Onmur said:
Maybe if we do go for a walk?
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Ehh~ I don't want to make it conditional.

Either way, both actions are positive. I can't see a reason not to add a short line to any vote with them in it.

It costs us nothing to be nice, and as we've said before coupling actions with words is a powerful synergy.

And hell, even if we don't want to try and fix the clock we can say something about buying a replacement.

Come on guys~ They're so little and it'll do good things. Do it do it do it!
 
CornyBones said:
Ehh~ I don't want to make it conditional.

Either way, both actions are positive. I can't see a reason not to add a short line to any vote with them in it.

It costs us nothing to be nice, and as we've said before coupling actions with words is a powerful synergy.

And hell, even if we don't want to try and fix the clock we can say something about buying a replacement.

Come on guys~ They're so little and it'll do good things. Do it do it do it!
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"I'm sure you had your reasons," the girl says, glaring at you. "What will it take for you to release me, and let me see the least amount of you?"
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Not a positive for Ono.
 
Onmur said:
Not a positive for Ono.
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It's not an either or thing. We can try to fix the clock as we're talking, or even just apologize for it specifically. Or we buy one get wrap it up, and leave it on her window sill with a sorry note.

It's something inoffensive and nice we can do for no cost to ourselves, and it's better than just talking at her.

Can you tell me that you honestly think trying to do something about the clock will have a negative outcome?
 
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