I believe the "Are we real?" thing is being overblown. It was only a few individuals who raised that line of thought in the first place, so it really shouldn't be a big thing in Sabrina's thoughts imo.
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These are not Sabrina's actual issues, nor is this the time to drop trauma on Mami, let alone trauma that doesn't really exist for Sabrina or is based on aspects of other characters that we can't explain/isn't actually TRUE/they wouldn't appreciate us doing. Saying how all megucas are lunatics is borderline inappropriate for Mami's mood, saying that we have issues too is completely mistimed. The second point is a mishandling of a valid approach (dropping the metabomb, which I agree we do NEED to do, but DEFINITELY not here and now) and the third is a nonstarter.
This is not offering Mami support, nor is it being open. It's piling trauma onto trauma and doing it in such a way as to break character and having inaccuracies about the characters it's talking about to boot.
Us being a wish construct/born a few weeks ago is something we MAY want to bring up at some point, but definitely not here and now, and certainly not before we've even told Mami we have metaknowledge about her.
This is not offering Mami support, nor is it being open. It's piling trauma onto trauma and doing it in such a way as to break character and having inaccuracies about the characters it's talking about to boot.
Exactly. It isn't real, it isn't significant, and most of all it really isn't what Mami needs to hear even if it had a place in Sabrina's brain, which is more or less doesn't.
Us being a wish construct/born a few weeks ago is something we MAY want to bring up at some point, but definitely not here and now, and certainly not before we've even told Mami we have metaknowledge about her.
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It's an argument, a theoretical discussion. While we're curious, and it might affect our thoughts on other matters, it's not really a 'worry', not in the sense that it matters to her/us what the answer is.
Honesty is nice. If this mess wasn't taking place, I'd be all for letting her know the metaknowledge in the near future. As it is, Mami does need honesty but more than that she needs support and reassurance. Question of emphasis.
Higure
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Exactly. Something goes wrong, and it must be her fault, because she doesn't see Sabrina as someone who might be in pain or make mistakes.
Her confidence will never heal if she only sees her own problems. Showing her some of ours prevents her from comparing herself to an unachievable ideal.
I'm not going to fight with you, Ugo. That ends with caps lock, based on history.
You're continuing to try to preplan everything we do, rather than actually letting Sabrina act like a person. Maybe I have details wrong, but trying to calculate everything is just...incredibly artificial and dishonest.
...huh. Well, I guess I'm more concerned about it than most here. Probably some other issues too.
You can probably do this better than I can, Kine. You're around more, and are more in tune with the thread as a whole.
It just hurts to see Sabrina trying to act like a sociopathic manipulator and/or robot, rather than a girl who's carrying a massive burden and needs a friend...so I'm trying to fight for a moment of humanity.
...and with that, good night. I hope someone else understands what I mean, and can think of a more accurate (apparently) write-in.
Alternative take:
[x] "I'm worried, you know? Worried about you. Worried that I might not be able to help. Worried that trying to help might make things worse. Worried that I'm worried about the wrong things, and that I'll miss something important that should have been obvious."
-[x] Side glance at Homura.
[x] "But I'll always be here for you. I'll always do my best to be the right person for you. But if I mess up, don't think it's your fault. You remember you're supposed to tell me when I do something stupid, right?"
[x] "We're all doing what we can to help the people we care about. Sometimes it doesn't always make sense, and sometimes we end up doing something stupid, but that doesn't mean we ever stopped caring. Homura; Sayaka; ... Kyouko.."
This one leaves in the Kyouko hint, though I'm not sure it's really the right place to bring it up. Still, it fits with what's being said, so...
[x] "I'm worried, you know? Worried about you. Worried that I might not be able to help. Worried that trying to help might make things worse. Worried that I'm worried about the wrong things, and that I'll miss something important that should have been obvious."
-[x] Side glance at Homura.
[x] "But I'll always be here for you. I'll always do my best to be the right person for you. But if I mess up, don't think it's your fault. You remember you're supposed to tell me when I do something stupid, right?"
[x] "We're all doing what we can to help the people we care about. Sometimes it doesn't always make sense, and sometimes we end up doing something stupid, but that doesn't mean we ever stopped caring. Homura; Sayaka; ... Kyouko.."
This one leaves in the Kyouko hint, though I'm not sure it's really the right place to bring it up. Still, it fits with what's being said, so...
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Higure? This kind of stuff? It starts fights. Don't do it.
@Higure
She...really isn't being a manipulator. At all. And that vote doesn't achieve the goal you evidently want so much as having Sabrina snap- which wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't in a completely out of character way. Suffice it to say that I think you're mistaken both about Sabrina and the effect your suggested vote would have.
@Kinematics
...That seems fairly plausible, actually. The first line explains our grief nicely, though worried that Mami'd still feel guilty over us being worried. Mind if parts of it get stolen/borrowed for another vote?
Not quite sure we want to bring up Kyouko though, that's a can of worms...
She...really isn't being a manipulator. At all. And that vote doesn't achieve the goal you evidently want so much as having Sabrina snap- which wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't in a completely out of character way. Suffice it to say that I think you're mistaken both about Sabrina and the effect your suggested vote would have.
@Kinematics
...That seems fairly plausible, actually. The first line explains our grief nicely, though worried that Mami'd still feel guilty over us being worried. Mind if parts of it get stolen/borrowed for another vote?
Not quite sure we want to bring up Kyouko though, that's a can of worms...
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Higure
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- The Golden Land
Point. My apologies.
Leaving for a reason, though, before I get impassioned, because I know that arguing here leads to me getting pissed and increasing font sizes, and I don't want to make Sabrina Grief Spiral on my account.
My votes are always open for repurposing.
Muramasa
Best Girl
[x] Telepathy Madoka, Homura and Sayaka. Tell them the both of you will be alright. We'll meet up at the hospital a little later.
[x] Find a place that's relatively peaceful and private and sit down.
[x] Just sit there for a bit. Give Mami time to collect herself.
-[x] Ask her how she's feeling.
-[x] If she wants to talk about anything, let her talk.
[x] Else:
-[x] "I don't think I've thanked you for... for everything really. I mean, It really hasn't been that long since we met. Not even two weeks. It feels like a lot longer though."
-[x] "You took me in when you barely even knew me. You gave me a roof over my head. You lent me your clothes. You fed me some of the best dishes I've ever tasted. You never hesitated to help me. Not once."
-[x] "And that goes for all the magical girl stuff too. You had my back through all of it. The witches, Oriko, Sendai, healing Sayaka's friend. And the little things like helping me to not break ceilings when I'm roof hopping or helping me develop enchantment magic."
-[x] "...and warning me. When I'm being too pushy. When I'm not pacing myself. It helps."
-[x] "You didn't have to do any of that... Thank you."
[x] Find a place that's relatively peaceful and private and sit down.
[x] Just sit there for a bit. Give Mami time to collect herself.
-[x] Ask her how she's feeling.
-[x] If she wants to talk about anything, let her talk.
[x] Else:
-[x] "I don't think I've thanked you for... for everything really. I mean, It really hasn't been that long since we met. Not even two weeks. It feels like a lot longer though."
-[x] "You took me in when you barely even knew me. You gave me a roof over my head. You lent me your clothes. You fed me some of the best dishes I've ever tasted. You never hesitated to help me. Not once."
-[x] "And that goes for all the magical girl stuff too. You had my back through all of it. The witches, Oriko, Sendai, healing Sayaka's friend. And the little things like helping me to not break ceilings when I'm roof hopping or helping me develop enchantment magic."
-[x] "...and warning me. When I'm being too pushy. When I'm not pacing myself. It helps."
-[x] "You didn't have to do any of that... Thank you."
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Better than mine, in terms of tone, and seemingly a more tolerable middle ground for us all.
[X] Kinematics
She constantly regulates information, always filters everything she says down to what she thinks will make everyone happy, etc.
She behaves quite manipulatively, because we optimize things rather than just stating an opinion on something and risking conflict or showing all the conflict we experience and letting our emotions be visible.
She's a good person, but we're trying too hard to be what others want, rather than actually acting honestly.
[]Muramasa
The kine vote is decent but this works better and pressures Mami less. Maybe telepathy newgirl and put off the meeting a bit?
Tenative gattaivote:
[x] "I'm worried, you know? Worried about you. Worried that I might not be able to help. Worried that trying to help might make things worse. Worried that I'm worried about the wrong things, and that I'll miss something important that should have been obvious."
-[x] Side glance at Homura.
[x] "But I'll always be here for you."
[x] Telepathy Madoka, Homura and Sayaka. Tell them the both of you will be alright. We'll meet up at the hospital a little later.
[x] Find a place that's relatively peaceful and private and sit down.
[x] Just sit there for a bit. Give Mami time to collect herself.
-[x] Ask her how she's feeling.
-[x] If she wants to talk about anything, let her talk.
[x] Else:
-[x] "I don't think I've thanked you for... for everything really. I mean, It really hasn't been that long since we met. Not even two weeks. It feels like a lot longer though."
-[x] "You took me in when you barely even knew me. You gave me a roof over my head. You lent me your clothes. You fed me some of the best dishes I've ever tasted. You never hesitated to help me. Not once."
-[x] "And that goes for all the magical girl stuff too. You had my back through all of it. The witches, Oriko, Sendai, healing Sayaka's friend. And the little things like helping me to not break ceilings when I'm roof hopping or helping me develop enchantment magic."
-[x] "...and warning me. When I'm being too pushy. When I'm not pacing myself. It helps."
-[x] "You didn't have to do any of that... Thank you."
The kine vote is decent but this works better and pressures Mami less. Maybe telepathy newgirl and put off the meeting a bit?
Tenative gattaivote:
[x] "I'm worried, you know? Worried about you. Worried that I might not be able to help. Worried that trying to help might make things worse. Worried that I'm worried about the wrong things, and that I'll miss something important that should have been obvious."
-[x] Side glance at Homura.
[x] "But I'll always be here for you."
[x] Telepathy Madoka, Homura and Sayaka. Tell them the both of you will be alright. We'll meet up at the hospital a little later.
[x] Find a place that's relatively peaceful and private and sit down.
[x] Just sit there for a bit. Give Mami time to collect herself.
-[x] Ask her how she's feeling.
-[x] If she wants to talk about anything, let her talk.
[x] Else:
-[x] "I don't think I've thanked you for... for everything really. I mean, It really hasn't been that long since we met. Not even two weeks. It feels like a lot longer though."
-[x] "You took me in when you barely even knew me. You gave me a roof over my head. You lent me your clothes. You fed me some of the best dishes I've ever tasted. You never hesitated to help me. Not once."
-[x] "And that goes for all the magical girl stuff too. You had my back through all of it. The witches, Oriko, Sendai, healing Sayaka's friend. And the little things like helping me to not break ceilings when I'm roof hopping or helping me develop enchantment magic."
-[x] "...and warning me. When I'm being too pushy. When I'm not pacing myself. It helps."
-[x] "You didn't have to do any of that... Thank you."
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Muramasa
Best Girl
That too. Though I'm a bit unsure where to put that line though and not have it feel off for some reason.
This part is extremely problematic and doesn't fit MAMI screwing up in the previous update.
It's also the opposite of what Mami wanted from this conversation. She didn't want to talk about issues, she wanted to talk about our day and other 'normal' things. Jumped on that out when we offered it, in fact.
[x] Telepathy Madoka, Homura and Sayaka. Thank them for their concern, and you do need to explain and ask their support, but the both of you will be alright for now. We'll meet up later.
[x] Find a place that's relatively peaceful and private and sit down.
[x] "I worry, Mami. But it's because you're worth caring about."
-[x] Reinforce that idea as the conversation continues.
[x] Talk between us about what we're doing this afternoon and evening until Mami's more relaxed. What she wants to do today, or items such as dinner plans, magical practice, possibility of hanging with friends, meeting Megane Ono or rescheduling. Try to normalize things.
[x] Once Mami's feeling more composed, telepathy the others with what Mami and you have decided and coordinate plans.
[x] Telepathy Madoka, Homura and Sayaka. Thank them for their concern, and you do need to explain and ask their support, but the both of you will be alright for now. We'll meet up later.
[x] Find a place that's relatively peaceful and private and sit down.
[x] "I worry, Mami. But it's because you're worth caring about."
-[x] Reinforce that idea as the conversation continues.
[x] Talk between us about what we're doing this afternoon and evening until Mami's more relaxed. What she wants to do today, or items such as dinner plans, magical practice, possibility of hanging with friends, meeting Megane Ono or rescheduling. Try to normalize things.
[x] Once Mami's feeling more composed, telepathy the others with what Mami and you have decided and coordinate plans.
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[x] UgoMura gattaivote
Just don't expect as epic of a result as the last time a vote involved a gattai. It will be hard to top MECHA GURREN ZILLA LAGANN.
TJSomething
That's... that's impossible!
Did you mean "dissertations?"Firnagzen said:
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Let's respect Mami's wishes people. We don't have to deal with Mami issues right away. Mami wants to cool down and talk about normal stuff. We can re-visit how much we care for/worry about her later tonight maybe, once Mami is more recovered from her sort-of-breakdown.
Let's respect Mami's wishes people. We don't have to deal with Mami issues right away. Mami wants to cool down and talk about normal stuff. We can re-visit how much we care for/worry about her later tonight maybe, once Mami is more recovered from her sort-of-breakdown.
We should thank her though. It'd take her mind off it and its something that should be said.