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I'm of the opinion that the catatonia is what's keeping her from spiraling in the first place...and that inevitably she'll just spiral anyway because you can't keep running away from reality. Quite frankly, a spiral is nothing we can't deal with, just stay with her and purify the Soul Gem until she gets it out of her system.
Onmur
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Akiko's still catatonic.I'm pretty sure that makes me sad, but I don't get it...?
Did somebody go into a coma or something?
Really, I guess this is my problem with the whole issue: I don't really care about Akiko, but about her friends that are stuck taking care of her.
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Muramasa
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Actually I dislike her group even more. I find their actions in this matter worse. At least Akiko has the excuse of being mentally ill. Her teammates don't even have that. Even Rin was loosely aware of the arrangement, if ignorant of the details or the suffering it was causing.
But at least Rin seems genuinely upset about it now so that's a plus for her. But other then that, I don't like this group and don't particularly care that they are stuck taking care of their teammate. I find it the least they can do right now.
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Onmur
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Yes, they enabled her craziness and caused suffering and even death. It was their only way they knew to have a halfway normal life, without the normal perils of being MGs, and all they have to do was to go along with what their leader say and ignore the consequences.
I find a lot of people are willing to do just that. So I'd give them a pass as long as they don't pull any more bullshit now that they've got a chance to live without the constant threat of death on their heads without hurting others.
Basically, I see them as close enough to victims that they deserve a second chance. A chance without having to take care of a mentally ill person if that can be avoided. If.
Of course, I could also see Akiko as a victim but fuck Akiko. Ii might be wrong of me, but while I'm more willing to see the others as victims, she's had too much agency in that mess for me to care.
Mind, your point is perfectly valid. If this post seems harsh, that wasn't my intention.
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Onmur
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It would be nice if we could help that situation without a huge involvement in our parts. Stupid potential witchbombs.
Muramasa
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I agree. I'm just not particularly sympathetic of their circumstances right now. These girls need a wake up call and I'm not convinced that they really get it yet.
While I agree that this is the most likely scenario, we don't have enough information to be sure, and we also don't know why Akiko blames the Ishinomaki group. Neither do we know why Akiko has an obsession with stockpiling grief seeds.
No. No. No. This would almost certainly get the worst possible reaction. We're trying to help Akiko, not to break her even more. Her reaction when we last started inquiring about Kato was to stonewall us and then to call in all her favors and recruit as many mercenary girls as possible in order to go to war.
Of course we want to help Akiko (I never disagreed with that). My point is that healing her catatonia (without any definite plans for helping her other problems) is likely to just make things worse. And I am not at all confident that Rin and Sakura are capable of keeping her under control. Akiko would know the most about Kato, but she has proved extremely uncooperative on the subject in the past and there's little reason to think that she will be any more cooperative in the future unless something changes. Ideally, we should do some detective work to actually figure out what happened to Kato Setsuko before Akiko's catatonia gets fixed; in particular, some of the grief devices that SWB suggested that we experiment with may be helpful for tracking down Kato (or her body or her soul gem or her grief seed).
Onmur
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Well, I know somebody who's more afraid of witching out than dying, so esasy guess is easy guess... But there's other options, right?
What if Akiko hasn't actually been witchbombed, and is operating on the assumption that total Soul Gem corruption leads to magic-loss? Considering her 'safety, security, commodity' mantra, it's perfectly possible that she simply doesn't want to lose the power she's got; that her trauma was caused by mundanely being beat down by life until she's lost most of her self-esteem, and then she suddenly's got all these powers and she can't deal with the idea of ever losing at anything ever again. Then she loses the person she's crushing on. Sad.
I'd have to re-read to check if anything contradicts this as a possibility, but while Sabrina having pseudo eidetic memory is awesome, looking back on past events is... a thing. Maybe later.
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We could just tip them off about the IG empath. SG would have to convince the people she hurt that helping out is worth their while, but hey, I'm sure they can figure something out.
As for the Kato tangent - who cares exactly what the grudge is? It's gone more than far enough. Either Akiko'll finally drop it upon realizing that she's all out of allies, sympathy and second chances, or she's a dead girl walking. (More than the rest of us, I mean).
Onmur
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Eh, I don't think we'd kill her. Lock her down if she's really that crazy.We could just tip them off about the IG empath. SG would have to convince the people she hurt that helping out is worth their while, but hey, I'm sure they can figure something out.
As for the Kato tangent - who cares exactly what the grudge is? It's gone more than far enough. Either Akiko'll finally drop it upon realizing that she's all out of allies, sympathy and second chances, or she's a dead girl walking. (More than the rest of us, I mean).
Muramasa
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Well I agree, the Kato Setsuko thing is less relevant in comparison to Akiko's actions. That said, if Akiko's right and Ishinomaki did have something to do with Setsuko's death, the Ishinomaki Group could have a killer among their members that's acting without their knowledge of it.
It's not high priority but I don't think we should completely ignore it either.
It's not high priority but I don't think we should completely ignore it either.
Onmur
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Our face when we don't get accepted as Empress of the World because we killed a crazy dangerous person once.Yeah, killing in general is extremely problematic and not a bridge we should cross without an excellent reason and no other options.
"Akiko's a nutcase" isn't good enough there, if only for the PR disaster.
More like Kyubey can casually mention that we're dangerous and killed someone in cold blood to every new meguca from now to the end of time and it'd be factually accurate.
I care about Kato. It's worth finding out what happened to her for her own sake, and I also care about Akiko's grudge because it has burned everyone involved pretty badly in the past and is likely to do so again unless something is done about it. And even though she has severely tested their patience, Akiko is not out of allies yet, so she's still a potential danger in the future.As for the Kato tangent - who cares exactly what the grudge is? It's gone more than far enough. Either Akiko'll finally drop it upon realizing that she's all out of allies, sympathy and second chances, or she's a dead girl walking. (More than the rest of us, I mean).
You have some great ideas for science; I love all the rest of them, but I do have a few problems with these particular ones:
1. Trying to revive a soul gem from unconsciousness is all about reconnecting it to a body, so the first point doesn't really work on its own.
2. Creating a body out of grief and trying to revive a girl that way would not last outside of our control radius and it would be cruel to revive a girl into a temporary body only to disconnect her almost immediately. I would prefer that we first work on refining our healing so that we can produce a permanent body.
Other experimental ideas that have merit (in rough order of priority):
[] Test various healing methods with a damaged plant (or a mouse) to compare how long they take and how long they endure outside of our range:
-[] Healing Pod which uses organic material supplied to it (water, sugar, rosebushes, etc) as the raw materials for reconstruction.
-[] Healing Rod
-[] Magic Enhancing Gauntlets + Normal Healing
-[] Normal Healing
[] Figure out how Mami and/or Homura's space compression enchantment works so that we can create a pocket space to store all of our excess grief.
[] Figuring out if draining grief from a seed permanently changes its nature. The best way to do this would be to slowly drain grief from a seed while it's next to a another seed and pinpoint the time where the first steed starts to be "quiescent" and the other seed starts to eat its grief. Then, start with a clear seed and fill it up (measuring the minimum safe distance distance along the way) and see if a completely filled clear seed is different from a normal grief seed.
Edit: I somehow missed that SWB had suggested this.
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Onmur
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I kind of see it the other way around: I think the real stupid-dangerous-crazy would come out soon after she believes she's alone. Good friends keep the crazy away... Keep the bad crazy away, not the nice crazy we share with Kirika.
1. We don't know that. And if you read the sources, you'll find that reconnecting a gem revives the girl, but that in the cases where someone fell unconscious without gem disconnection a different procedure was used, which is what I'm referring to. In any event, I'm not looking for this to succeed so much as learning from the failure to see if we can adapt this magic to our purposes.
2. I'm willing to try even if it's cruel. Plus, in the case that magical sustainability is what lets grief remain formed, it's possible that by connecting a soul to a body with magic, the soul's own magic will sustain the body, much like a witch's magic sustains its primary body.
As for your suggestions,
- Healing is only of merit if a body is necessary for revival. To see it as a prerequisite is putting things out of order.
- Pumping healing magic is literally already a primary component of my proposed attempts.
- I want to ask Mami how to do space expansion. We will make more progress under her supervision than alone. So this exclusion is a matter of prioritizing.
- We don't have a second or third seed, or that would be included.
Muramasa
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Oriko kinda jossed this when the grief healing rod idea went bust.
how do we know? in the future she checked, we didn't try to force her soul's magic to attach to her newly formed grief limb, did we? We just attached a limb to her meat puppet.
Edit: either way, I'm still willing to try, because even a temp grief body success will tell us that we need a permanent body in the future.
Edit: either way, I'm still willing to try, because even a temp grief body success will tell us that we need a permanent body in the future.
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I didn't say we should kill her. I said she'd be a dead girl walking. If her bullshit persists and SG can't or won't prevent her from acting on it, we won't have to do anything to her. There's a whole queue of people with excellent reasons to want her dead, and we aren't even close to the front of it.Yeah, killing in general is extremely problematic and not a bridge we should cross without an excellent reason and no other options.
"Akiko's a nutcase" isn't good enough there, if only for the PR disaster.
(But, yes, being allergic to peace is in fact a good reason to take someone out of the picture indefinitely. There should be a finite limit to the number of excuses we'll make for someone who was, might I remind you, together enough to orchestrate a two-year reign of terror).