Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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How many soul gems can fit within our range?
How many megucas can fit within a reasonable commute distance of us?
If we invite every meguca in the world to permanently live in Mitakihara, how much will Homura murder us?
Torgamous
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It should be possible to make a nonmagical grief siphon. The Incubators don't have magic of their own, right?
Jackercracks
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I'd say many, most and excessively, respectively. The problem is what happens to the new meguca that contract after that since anyone who could tell them where to find us would be either mind wiped or on the other side of the globe. Arg, I said I wouldn't get back into this.
So, the Science we're going to do with Oriko. Let's talk about that. We're healing the seeds, building a grief siphon and some other things that I forgot.
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- East of the Sun and West of the Moon
[x] Oh no, I'm going to turn you into a delinquent! It's all my fault.
[x] See how much help she wants. You can answer all the questions, just the hard questions, or just the ones she can't figure out.
And there's still the matter of priorities. If you take Homura with her mindset as of Rebellion and offer her a wish, I don't think she's going to wish for coobie slavery. I think she's going to wish for Madoka to have a happy mortal life, or something similar. The reason people hate Kyubey is that he perpetuates a fucked-up system, and hurting Incubators is a lousy way to de-fuckupify the system in comparison with say, making witches no longer a thing or working to make the Grief economy post-scarcity. Enslaving them might look like a better bet, but given the ineffectiveness of the Pleiades' tame Incubator, I think the most likely outcome is the meguca realizing she hasn't actually made things better, witching out, and freeing the coobs with her death. (Speculative as all hell, of course.)
Anyway, that one girl who wishes doom on the coobs requires there to a) be a potential who hates Kyubey before she contracts, b) that potential to prioritize a coobie-harming wish over any other response to the harm they cause and possibly c) that vengeful potential to have enough power to affect a whole species. It's a risk, sure, but a small one. And, evidently, a risk that did not come to pass for thousands of years of human history, until the second time a girl shocked them by achieving apotheosis.
[x] See how much help she wants. You can answer all the questions, just the hard questions, or just the ones she can't figure out.
It took only one devil. If a wish needs to have become-a-concept oomph behind it to enslave or destroy the coobs, they're probably pretty safe from wishes.
And there's still the matter of priorities. If you take Homura with her mindset as of Rebellion and offer her a wish, I don't think she's going to wish for coobie slavery. I think she's going to wish for Madoka to have a happy mortal life, or something similar. The reason people hate Kyubey is that he perpetuates a fucked-up system, and hurting Incubators is a lousy way to de-fuckupify the system in comparison with say, making witches no longer a thing or working to make the Grief economy post-scarcity. Enslaving them might look like a better bet, but given the ineffectiveness of the Pleiades' tame Incubator, I think the most likely outcome is the meguca realizing she hasn't actually made things better, witching out, and freeing the coobs with her death. (Speculative as all hell, of course.)
Anyway, that one girl who wishes doom on the coobs requires there to a) be a potential who hates Kyubey before she contracts, b) that potential to prioritize a coobie-harming wish over any other response to the harm they cause and possibly c) that vengeful potential to have enough power to affect a whole species. It's a risk, sure, but a small one. And, evidently, a risk that did not come to pass for thousands of years of human history, until the second time a girl shocked them by achieving apotheosis.
Kanna confirmed for final villain.
Clarke would quibble. I wouldn't be surprised if Incubator tech is beyond our powers, since it's probably beyond our comprehension.
All of them.
Volume = 0.5(4/3 * pi * r^3)
Volume = 0.5(4/3 * pi * 100^3)
Volume = 0.5(4/3 * pi * 1,000,000)
Volume = 0.5(pi * 1,333,333.33)
Volume = 0.5 * 4,188,790
Volume = 2,094,395.1m^3
At 7 billion soul gems each one would have 2.99e-4 cubic meters of space. In more useful terms they would each have 300 cubic centimeters.
More then enough space. The issue of course is the people. Hence why most reasonable systems for sustaining massive Puella populations require a stand in for grief seeds.
Jackercracks
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Hmm, if we can make a range-extender that lets a meguca connect to her soul gem from the other side of the planet, then we're sorted for basically forever. Seems unlikely though.
It was my understanding that witches produce a huge burst of energy when they're created, but none (or a negligible amount) thereafter, which is why Kyuubey arranges to have them hunted down. But again, this is a question that we cannot know the answer to without asking Kyuubey.
We don't know how much potential Homura adds to Madoka each loop besides it being "a lot". I suppose that we could ask ask Kyuubey to quantify her current potential. That information could be useful if we decide to try and negotiate with him.
That's...surprisingly plausible. I guess there's only one thing we can do: we have to teach the incubators the true meaning of fear. This is our solemn duty as one intelligent species to another.
Right. We can try to figure out how the incubators produce energy from grief and create a reactor based on those principles which can produce electricity by cleansing soul gems. Or we could just create a magical design for such an engine (using our grief powers) and then reverse-engineer it for mass-production.
If they can do it, then we can do it. It might require us to take some classes that don't yet exist on Earth in order to comprehend the theoretical basis for their tech, but I refuse to accept that it's beyond our comprehension.
[x] Help Mami as much as she comfortable with. In case of doubts, confirm answers with Oriko.
[x] Subjects for small-talk:
-[x] Talk to Kirika about Mami: how do we get her to stop worrying so much and be happier?
-[x] Ask Kirika if she would like to go flying someday.
-[x] Talk to Kirika about things she wants to do but hasn't had a chance to yet.
-[x] Ask how the healing is coming along. Is Kirika's proficiency with healing improving? Has Oriko been doing any healing as well?
-[x] Talk about cooking/baking. Pretty sure this is a shared interest between all three of us. Nerd out over it if appropriate.
-[x] After returning, tell them you are trying to find a way to cleanse all meguca and reverse witching, ask them if they would be willing to assist you with experiments.
Edit: Oriko already knows how to heal, but we can still ask if she has been practicing, I suppose.
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[x] Muramasa
FlatlineAskari
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This is an unsolution. A soul gem doesn't act like a seed. Even if it did, it can only contain one soul gem's worth of grief; no margin of error for either 'donor' or recipient. Neither is ever more than a week away from a torturous death.
Besides which, word of god is that megucas can be aware as gems.
Completely baseless speculation. Given that the process involves one's soul shattering, highly dubious baseless speculation.
Informed consent to torture is on extremely shaky ground. Even if you believe it's possible, why would anyone do it?
Meanwhile, 'we didn't want to return you to awareness only to have you undergo the worst death it's possible to experience again' seems eminently reasonable.
No; the one-time payoff from a girl witching would no longer be one-time. This is a much stronger incentive to make it happen more often. Minus a reliable ongoing cleansing solution, it merely permits us to do the same damage over and over again.
Jackercracks
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Look, do you have a better solution?
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He arranges to have them hunted down because it's more traumatic for the magical girl and prevents the witch from destroying his nest egg. They have the technology to get energy from anything that feels emotions. Witches feel intense emotions. (At least, this is what it seems like to me)
One loop is enough to make her the most important person in the Universe. No other witch can come close to that. She is currently the most important person in a hundred universes. (That's the implication I got)
Succeeding in that endeavor would be an impressive achievement we could celebrate.
Agreed.
[x] Help Mami as much as she comfortable with. In case of doubts, confirm answers with Oriko.
[x] Subjects for small-talk:
-[x] Talk to Kirika about Mami: how do we get her to stop worrying so much and be happier?
-[x] Ask Kirika if she would like to go flying someday.
-[x] Talk to Kirika about things she wants to do but hasn't had a chance to yet.
-[x] Ask how the healing is coming along. Is Kirika's proficiency with healing improving? Has Oriko been taught how yet?
-[x] Talk about cooking/baking. Pretty sure this is a shared interest between all three of us. Nerd out over it if appropriate.
-[] After returning, tell them you are trying to find a way to cleanse all meguca and reverse witching, ask them if they would be willing to assist you with experiments.
Happy with this vote too. With one caveat. Does Kirika know the witchbomb?
FlatlineAskari
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Solution, no. Approach, sure.
- We work to completely cleanse every accessible seed on Earth.
-- (And make sure they stay cleansed).
-- (And make sure they stay in circulation).
- We render the Incubator harvesting operation nonfunctional by any and all means at our disposal, up to and including grand-scale wish manipulation.
-- (Or, quite possibly, die trying).
- We intensively research cleansing without either seeds or us.
- If we fail, megucas are effectively immortal until we die, and subsequently merely very long-lived.
- If we succeed, roll that shit out, then work on reversing witching.
Simple. Not remotely easy, but simple.
Muramasa
Best Girl
The jokes amusing but the second line feels a bit redundant to me.
Wouldn't Mami just ask us about the problems she needs help with?
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Apologies, I see I was unclear. Even if it's covered by graduate-level work in Advanced [Other] and Meta_, fields too advanced to have names yet, we aren't likely to get the technical background to wrap our heads around it in the foreseeable future. That's what I meant by "beyond our comprehension," not our comprehension in an ideal setting, but our comprehension here and now with the resources available.
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Not finished.
- Steal Incubator technology.
- Raid the Incubator home planet and get all the grief seeds. Ever.
- Link up with every planet with magical girls (or the local equivalent)
- Add them to our circle of protection
Jackercracks
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You know we've only been making plans with stuff we know for sure is possible for a reason right?
Think about it from Mami's perspective. She's effectively cheating on a test. Even if we can frame it as understandable it's still cheating, and she's going to feel guilty.
Proposing degrees gives Mami control, and lessens the temptation of having us help with everything. She makes a choice about how she wants to use us. It's less honest than actually studying, but not as bad as copying the answer sheet.
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I'm not. I'm making plans for things I hope are possible and then checking to see if they really are. We've been given a lot of clues that thinking small will bite us.
FlatlineAskari
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No, you haven't. Dewitching is entirely speculative. My tree provides for the possibility that either dewitching or us-free cleansing may be flat-out impossible; if that's the case, it merely prioritizes keeping current megucas alive as long as possible over resurrecting anyone.
Torgamous
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This is not something we should be discussing when Kyuubey can hear us. Fortunately, we have a secure line to Oriko:
[] "Hey, Oriko, could you tell me what you think about what I would tell you if you don't respond?"
-[] If she doesn't respond, tell her the plan.
That's not a plan, it's a goal.
Muramasa
Best Girl
Disagree. If Mami needs help on a question I don't see why she wouldn't just ask on her own. Line still feels redundant to me.
noahgab1133
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so second or third season of puella magi adfligo systema is in space?
its nanoha all over again XD
its nanoha all over again XD
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Technically, parts of season 1 were in space as well. And that was part of what made it awesome. And the increased spaceness was one of the things I actually liked about season 3. (My biggest problem was not enough Hayate blowing people up)