Muramasa
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Um... Ugo if Homu want's to kill Oriko and Mami doesn't, why would they work together?
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Um... Ugo if Homu want's to kill Oriko and Mami doesn't, why would they work together?
Because they still agree that Oriko wants to be stopped? Homura has justified trust issues and is used to working alone, while Mami's still more confused than actively trying to drive Homura away because of their differences. As long as the issue isn't forced outright, which would solve our biggest problem anyway, we can smooth things over to keep them together.
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At the moment, they're working together because of Sabrina. She basically forced Homura to exercise her (lol)social skills at the hospital. And helped pave the way for JOLLY COOPERATION. And now it's Sabrina keeping Mami's sanity even while Homura wants to pull away to do her own thing.
Not to mention the whole Grief Seed irrelevancy with her around. Mami doesn't even need to worry about Homura or any other girls taking her territory if Sabrina's her roomie. Come to think of it, that could be another part of Mami's clinginess. No worrying about territory fights, no worry about another Kyouko. Putting up with a brain-damaged lunatic would be worth that. And Sabrina, too.
Not to mention the whole Grief Seed irrelevancy with her around. Mami doesn't even need to worry about Homura or any other girls taking her territory if Sabrina's her roomie. Come to think of it, that could be another part of Mami's clinginess. No worrying about territory fights, no worry about another Kyouko. Putting up with a brain-damaged lunatic would be worth that. And Sabrina, too.
Nah, the grief seed thing probably takes a backseat to crippling loneliness issues in terms of Mami motivation.At the moment, they're working together because of Sabrina. She basically forced Homura to exercise her (lol)social skills at the hospital. And helped pave the way for JOLLY COOPERATION. And now it's Sabrina keeping Mami's sanity even while Homura wants to pull away to do her own thing.
Not to mention the whole Grief Seed irrelevancy with her around. Mami doesn't even need to worry about Homura or any other girls taking her territory if Sabrina's her roomie. Come to think of it, that could be another part of Mami's clinginess. No worrying about territory fights, no worry about another Kyouko. Putting up with a brain-damaged lunatic would be worth that. And Sabrina, too.
Fatigue is both mental and physical, so just healing it away means she only keeps the crazies part of exhaustion.
Ask Homura if she can get Madoka involved, like as a senpai. Remind Homura that Madoka was an awesome senpai in Loop 0. Bring that senpai back.
Muramasa
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Hmm... a fair point about the fire, though if there really were any deaths that resulted from that catastrophe, the issue would have been forced at that point wouldn't it? If Oriko has killed innocents then there is no acceptable solution that leaves her alive and still in Mitakihara.
I have a hard time believing Homura's going to hesitate on Oriko just because Mami is wavering. At that point, it becomes less 'working with Mami' and more 'Mami is slowing you down'. The way I see it, Mami's desire to get out of the timestop is partially fueled by her reluctance to confront Oriko. On the question of weather or not Oriko needs to die, she doesn't want to answer it today. Meanwhile Homura wants the Oriko problem dealt with ASAP. Those are two different stances on the issue that has no middle ground. There is no compromise there. Either Mami get's her way or Homura does.
Which is why we stall. Yes, they're completely incompatible on the issue, but if we can put it off for a little longer, we can try and solve the Oriko problem before it becomes an issue like it's threatening to do. Basically, try and go with the Mami approach here.
And, yes, regardless of what'd be convenient, if Oriko's killed someone in cold blood, she's gone, and so's Kirika by extension.
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Muramasa
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How? Homura's about to continue on on her own and has rejected our best reasons for putting it off.
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Maybe get Homura to tell Mami edited highlights of her tragic backstory?
Ehhhhhhh. We're better off nudging Mami towards that conclusion rather than having her state anything- facts can be contradicted by Kyubey, and between it and Homura's ability to lie...my money's on the rabbit.
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Point. I'm really not looking forward to that issue coming up.
Added a line and butchered Mura's vote.
[x] Intervene
-[x] Hand on Mami's shoulder.
[x] "Homura, whatever you feel about Oriko, you shouldn't risk yourself needlessly."
[x] If Homura still insists on continuing alone...
-[x] Get her to promise that she'll be as careful as she can and that she won't search too long. If she finds them, we're there to help in case Oriko has something planned.
-[x] That will have to do. You can't force her to stop.
[x] "So, on a completely unrelated topic... why the pendulum?"
[x] Intervene
-[x] Hand on Mami's shoulder.
[x] "Homura, whatever you feel about Oriko, you shouldn't risk yourself needlessly."
[x] If Homura still insists on continuing alone...
-[x] Get her to promise that she'll be as careful as she can and that she won't search too long. If she finds them, we're there to help in case Oriko has something planned.
-[x] That will have to do. You can't force her to stop.
[x] "So, on a completely unrelated topic... why the pendulum?"
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lol. No. Just no. Don't think about it.
Also, Homura doesn't gain any from this. Is more likely to not happening.
[x] Ugolino.
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It'd strengthen Mami's resolve, which would definitely serve Homura's ends. (Provided we could find a way to run it without hitting the minor ongoing 'Mami trusts QB implicitly and QB wants us all dead' issue).
Incidentally, two long-term (read: within the week) ideas.
1. If the subject comes up, make it clear that we don't really like/trust Kyubey (mention the Yuma incident) but we understand that Mami considers him a friend.
2. Tell Madoka that Kyubey seems to see things differently from most people, and that he's slightly too eager to make contracts when there are other options/it'd be a waste of a wish. She should think it through and try everything else before deciding to contract. Appeal to her intelligence in the hopes of a)ego boost, b)avoiding any more "MADOKA. MAKE AN EASILY AVOIDABLE CONTRACT." situations. Outright telling her "Kyubey is evil" would just cause problems, but a more subtle warning might help.
We'd have to run 2. by Homura first, incidentally, to avoid...misunderstandings.
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Exactly my point. That won't happen for a while, if ever. Mami doesn't react very well when those bombs are dropped. (Well, the lichbomb might be, considering her wish for surviving, as she may see it as the price she had to pay).
Muramasa
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1's doable. 2 very much raises my hackles. I'd only go along with it if/when it was absolutely necessary.
Direct Intervention pt. 28
It's your turn to put a hand on Mami's shoulder, tugging her back lightly. She turns questioningly to look at you, and you shake your head, no.
"Homura, you're running yourself ragged," you say, meeting her gaze steadily. She doesn't deny it, eyes sliding away from yours - not in impatience, but rather that she can't quite seem to meet your gaze. "Whatever your opinions on Oriko are... you, your health, are more important. The only real lasting effect that Oriko's had on us so far, with this incident? This-" you pat your bag full of Grief marbles, "-and the three of us being tired. You especially." And, you add to yourself, Mami now actually caring enough about Homura to give a damn, you suppose.
Homura doesn't reply, gazing at a point somewhere near your feet. You sigh. "If you still want to continue... well. I'm still happy to cleanse for you. Just... please be careful, Homura. And don't stay out for too long, OK?"
Homura still doesn't reply, and you hold out a hand to her. "C'mon Homura. Let us help you."
Violet eyes meet yours, inscrutable and implacable once again. "You wanted to go back to Mami's house, correct?" She walks past you, leaving the room.
You sigh heavily and look at Mami helplessly. She's half turned, one hand out in an aborted gesture to grab Homura. She can only shake her head back at you, golden eyes looking lost.
Well, there's nothing for it, is there? You really can't force Homura of all people to stop.
The two of you follow Homura out, your eyes drawn with all the inevitability of gravity up to the pendulum. You really want to ask about the pendulum.
You really want to ask about the pendulum.
You... "Hey Homura, on a completely unrelated topic, uh... why the pendulum?"
Homura stops in her tracks, and turns to look at you with a raised eyebrow. Mami, by your side, very slowly palms her face.
"I like it," Homura says simply. Her eyes track up to it. "It reminds me of..." she trails off, looking lost for a moment, before recovering and stalking out of the apartment.
"Sabrina..." Mami groans into her hand, shaking her head.
"What?" you ask defensively. "I wanted to know."
"Oh, Sabrina," Mami says, lifting her face from her hand and favouring you with a smile and a shake of her head. "Nothing gets you down, does it."
You shrug as you follow Homura out of the apartment.
The three of you journey back to Mami's apartment in silence, each lost in your own thoughts. Mami opens the door, and you file in silently.
"Um. How does this work, Homura?" Mami asks, looking at the time traveller.
Homura plucks at the ribbon around her waist. "You just need to disconnect the ribbon."
"Um. OK," Mami says, sitting on the sofa, and spending a minute to fuss with her skirt, and then her clothes, flicking off invisible specks of dust. She pats the sofa beside her, looking at you invitingly.
"You won't even notice. Just dissolve the ribbon," Homura says, looking slightly bemused at Mami's antics.
"I..."
She's scared, you realize.
And you guess you can see why - time continues, in a fashion, and it doesn't involve her. It's... somewhat existentially disturbing, you suppose.
You sit down on the sofa beside her, and give her an encouraging smile. "It's nothing, Mami. It's not like Homura hasn't done it before, right? Used the timestop, I mean."
"I guess," she admits, returning your smile. Now looking determined, she looks at Homura, and dissolves the rib-
-bons.
You blink.
Homura's crossed the distance to stand in front of you, and is now looking down at you. She has a hand on your shoulder to bring you into the time stop. Beside you, Mami is frozen in hues of grey, still looking at where Homura was.
"Hi, Homura," you sigh. "How long has it been? Any news?"
"I haven't gone looking yet," she replies. She's wearing an expression you've never seen before on her face - she looks lost, and she's looking down, unwilling to meet your gaze. "You... why do you care?"
[] Pull Mami in.
[] Say something
- [] What?
[] Write-in
There are, as is usual, more than one layer to Homura's reactions.
"Homura, you're running yourself ragged," you say, meeting her gaze steadily. She doesn't deny it, eyes sliding away from yours - not in impatience, but rather that she can't quite seem to meet your gaze. "Whatever your opinions on Oriko are... you, your health, are more important. The only real lasting effect that Oriko's had on us so far, with this incident? This-" you pat your bag full of Grief marbles, "-and the three of us being tired. You especially." And, you add to yourself, Mami now actually caring enough about Homura to give a damn, you suppose.
Homura doesn't reply, gazing at a point somewhere near your feet. You sigh. "If you still want to continue... well. I'm still happy to cleanse for you. Just... please be careful, Homura. And don't stay out for too long, OK?"
Homura still doesn't reply, and you hold out a hand to her. "C'mon Homura. Let us help you."
Violet eyes meet yours, inscrutable and implacable once again. "You wanted to go back to Mami's house, correct?" She walks past you, leaving the room.
You sigh heavily and look at Mami helplessly. She's half turned, one hand out in an aborted gesture to grab Homura. She can only shake her head back at you, golden eyes looking lost.
Well, there's nothing for it, is there? You really can't force Homura of all people to stop.
The two of you follow Homura out, your eyes drawn with all the inevitability of gravity up to the pendulum. You really want to ask about the pendulum.
You really want to ask about the pendulum.
You... "Hey Homura, on a completely unrelated topic, uh... why the pendulum?"
Homura stops in her tracks, and turns to look at you with a raised eyebrow. Mami, by your side, very slowly palms her face.
"I like it," Homura says simply. Her eyes track up to it. "It reminds me of..." she trails off, looking lost for a moment, before recovering and stalking out of the apartment.
"Sabrina..." Mami groans into her hand, shaking her head.
"What?" you ask defensively. "I wanted to know."
"Oh, Sabrina," Mami says, lifting her face from her hand and favouring you with a smile and a shake of her head. "Nothing gets you down, does it."
You shrug as you follow Homura out of the apartment.
The three of you journey back to Mami's apartment in silence, each lost in your own thoughts. Mami opens the door, and you file in silently.
"Um. How does this work, Homura?" Mami asks, looking at the time traveller.
Homura plucks at the ribbon around her waist. "You just need to disconnect the ribbon."
"Um. OK," Mami says, sitting on the sofa, and spending a minute to fuss with her skirt, and then her clothes, flicking off invisible specks of dust. She pats the sofa beside her, looking at you invitingly.
"You won't even notice. Just dissolve the ribbon," Homura says, looking slightly bemused at Mami's antics.
"I..."
She's scared, you realize.
And you guess you can see why - time continues, in a fashion, and it doesn't involve her. It's... somewhat existentially disturbing, you suppose.
You sit down on the sofa beside her, and give her an encouraging smile. "It's nothing, Mami. It's not like Homura hasn't done it before, right? Used the timestop, I mean."
"I guess," she admits, returning your smile. Now looking determined, she looks at Homura, and dissolves the rib-
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-bons.
You blink.
Homura's crossed the distance to stand in front of you, and is now looking down at you. She has a hand on your shoulder to bring you into the time stop. Beside you, Mami is frozen in hues of grey, still looking at where Homura was.
"Hi, Homura," you sigh. "How long has it been? Any news?"
"I haven't gone looking yet," she replies. She's wearing an expression you've never seen before on her face - she looks lost, and she's looking down, unwilling to meet your gaze. "You... why do you care?"
[] Pull Mami in.
[] Say something
- [] What?
[] Write-in
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There are, as is usual, more than one layer to Homura's reactions.
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Dirtnap
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Homu's are like onions.
Anyways, we care because we know about everything she's gone through? The loops, the pain, the misery, we haven't experienced it, but we know she has. We know she carries her burden alone, without anyone else there to help her.
[]You're a decent person who deserved better. All of you do, but after everything you've been through...
-[]You know you're kind of amazing, right? You did all this for Madoka. You didn't give up after everything that happened and everything you learned. You taught yourself to become better. And you tried to save Mami and the others when you could, even after everything. Yeah, you've made mistakes, but you tried. If Madoka knew, she'd be proud of you.
--[]Don't mention Rebellion or the increase in Madoka potential from the loops.
[]You sure you still want to go alone?
Not sure if the speech is a good idea, putting it up for dissection.
Making it a suggestion rather than an actual vote for now; if there isn't a better alternative, I'll work on it later.
-[]You know you're kind of amazing, right? You did all this for Madoka. You didn't give up after everything that happened and everything you learned. You taught yourself to become better. And you tried to save Mami and the others when you could, even after everything. Yeah, you've made mistakes, but you tried. If Madoka knew, she'd be proud of you.
--[]Don't mention Rebellion or the increase in Madoka potential from the loops.
[]You sure you still want to go alone?
Making it a suggestion rather than an actual vote for now; if there isn't a better alternative, I'll work on it later.
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AuraTwilight
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Well, when I say 'as usual', I'm referring to NPC reactions in general.Homu's are like onions.