Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
KB: "That wish can't be granted. Sabrina already likes you."
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I doubt that simple changes will suddenly make grief stable beyond our range limit.
But even the seemingly simple things you mentioned are complicated to do if you get to the physics involved.
Making something that has a colour transparent is really hard to do and we just did it on our first try, when we created the windshield.
It may very well be that intent to do something is enough and our power will take care of the rest for us.
So maybe just take some grief and will it to be stable if it leaves our range?
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Then take that grief and will it to absorb grief. Bam! Bootleg Grief seeds.
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[X] Wear a ring of grief on your pinkie finger.
[X] Careful examination. Inspect and compare all three grief seeds in your possession.
- [X] Carefully refill Aurora to an 'unused' state. Pay EXTREME attention to how the grief seed is compressing grief. This is an effect you'll want to duplicate.
- [X] Empty Aurora to half capacity. Have it make contact with Mami's seed. If nothing happens, empty Aurora to one quarter. Make contact again. Check for any kind of transfer between the two seeds.
[X] Create as big mass of marble grief as you can. Carefully touch different seeds to it, starting with the emptiest.
[X] Take a grief marble, will it to absorb other grief. Check with seeds.
[X] Check various ways to propel your hammer:
-[X] Throw it
-[X] Surround it with band of grief. Move as fast as you can until the edge of your range.
-[X] Change grief into magnets. Try to propel hammer with them.
-[X] Put it into a container of air with end sticking out. Compress grief around the air as much as possible. Loosen the hold.
[X] Try to shoot projectiles and lasers with magic.
[X] Make a scale from grief. Put a marble on it and let go of grief TK. See if you can increase or decrease weight without TK.
[X] Give and alter grief properties on acidity and magnetism.
[X] Change grief's emotional tint or pinging of meguca senses into something else.
[X] Will grief to disappear. Then will it to appear.
[X] Check how far you can take grief's autonomous actions
-[X] Give grief instructions to react to something. Check if it does so. Check if it can pursue out of range.
[X] Abandon grief transmutated into helium, water and stone outside your range. Command grief to be stable when leaving your range.
[X] Abandon increasing amounts of grief outside your range, doubling amount every time until something unusual happens.
[X] Use grief to enchant weapons instead of magic.
[X] Use magic and grief both to enchant the music grief creates.
[X] Practice with enchantment magic on a pebble or something, at least until we aren't causing things to break while doing so.
- [X] If we manage to reach that point, carefully start feeding magic into Hildegarde's seed
Kinda want to check grief weight before we start transmutating it into energy. Otherwise I'm fine with transmutation.
[X] Careful examination. Inspect and compare all three grief seeds in your possession.
- [X] Carefully refill Aurora to an 'unused' state. Pay EXTREME attention to how the grief seed is compressing grief. This is an effect you'll want to duplicate.
- [X] Empty Aurora to half capacity. Have it make contact with Mami's seed. If nothing happens, empty Aurora to one quarter. Make contact again. Check for any kind of transfer between the two seeds.
[X] Create as big mass of marble grief as you can. Carefully touch different seeds to it, starting with the emptiest.
[X] Take a grief marble, will it to absorb other grief. Check with seeds.
[X] Check various ways to propel your hammer:
-[X] Throw it
-[X] Surround it with band of grief. Move as fast as you can until the edge of your range.
-[X] Change grief into magnets. Try to propel hammer with them.
-[X] Put it into a container of air with end sticking out. Compress grief around the air as much as possible. Loosen the hold.
[X] Try to shoot projectiles and lasers with magic.
[X] Make a scale from grief. Put a marble on it and let go of grief TK. See if you can increase or decrease weight without TK.
[X] Give and alter grief properties on acidity and magnetism.
[X] Change grief's emotional tint or pinging of meguca senses into something else.
[X] Will grief to disappear. Then will it to appear.
[X] Check how far you can take grief's autonomous actions
-[X] Give grief instructions to react to something. Check if it does so. Check if it can pursue out of range.
[X] Abandon grief transmutated into helium, water and stone outside your range. Command grief to be stable when leaving your range.
[X] Abandon increasing amounts of grief outside your range, doubling amount every time until something unusual happens.
[X] Use grief to enchant weapons instead of magic.
[X] Use magic and grief both to enchant the music grief creates.
[X] Practice with enchantment magic on a pebble or something, at least until we aren't causing things to break while doing so.
- [X] If we manage to reach that point, carefully start feeding magic into Hildegarde's seed
Kinda want to check grief weight before we start transmutating it into energy. Otherwise I'm fine with transmutation.
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Krecart
Not for throwing.
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That's why I think we should try to just tell Grief to become [insert property here] before trying to figure out how [insert property here] actually works.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I think 'Lement wants a ranged weapon we can use farther than 100m out.
EDIT: Now, would it be proper to delete this post?
EDIT: EDIT: I'M NINJA
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Hammer will keep existing when leaving our 100m range, which was kind of issue in Sendai fight.
EDIT: No. Be proud of being a NINJA.
Also, I added your and Guilop's ideas to above.
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Muramasa
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You know we could try something like Homura's magic shots.
Krecart
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...couldn't that be accomplished by throwing it really hard? I don't see why it ought to be more complicated than that.
Also, we tried to combine Grief with hammer when we first got our powers and it did jack shit.
Muramasa
Best Girl
Err... no. We just tried to see if our hammer had any additional functions. Our instincts said no. That doesn't mean we can't use magic to modify our hammers more though.
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...Worthy a try, actually. Pretty neat if it works.
I don't see a point in throwing our only melee weapon when we can use other things on hand in the same way. Grief can compress them into any kind of shape, and can propel them to the edge of our range, imparting momentum. If we need things to go faster, we can use compressed air as a propellant, or grief science up something.
Krecart
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We can summon multiple hammers at will. Costs magic.
In fact, I don't think we go around with it by default, much like Mami doesn't always have ribbons and muskets floating around.
There's a limit how hard we can throw it with our puny hands.
With grief air/TK/coilgun, we can literally fire it at sufficient velocity.
Krecart
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I meant with Grief since it seems to literally move as fast as we want it to. We could also just throw rocks or whatever is around. Since we're usually in an urban environment, I nominate air conditioning units as our preferred choice of ammunition.
The only reason we move it slower is because squishy meat bodies can't handle it.
@Muramasa
That said, meguca instincts might not catch everything. Sayaka never noticed the totally canon triggers on her swords.
aeqnai
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@Krecart: Heh.
Speed: I think to an extent. I don't think we'd be able to move grief at significant fraction of c, since that'd require creating a decent amount of mass out of nothing.
Anyway, throwing it with grief is a thing that I include anyway.
Though I doubt gas-propelled things like guns can have significant difference with grief with seed, they work with everything, can fire randomly and multiple directions and don't have the signature feeling.
With enough magnetism, we have a particle accelerator, which I feel could beat in speed But it has other uses too in urban environment, even without Kuvira.
Honestly though, I think we find out that one of them works best generally and then we stick with that one for our sniping.
Speed: I think to an extent. I don't think we'd be able to move grief at significant fraction of c, since that'd require creating a decent amount of mass out of nothing.
Anyway, throwing it with grief is a thing that I include anyway.
Though I doubt gas-propelled things like guns can have significant difference with grief with seed, they work with everything, can fire randomly and multiple directions and don't have the signature feeling.
With enough magnetism, we have a particle accelerator, which I feel could beat in speed
But it has other uses too in urban environment, even without Kuvira. Honestly though, I think we find out that one of them works best generally and then we stick with that one for our sniping.
Muramasa
Best Girl
Ambient grief shouldn't be an issue. All our grief is compressed, inactive and completely under our control. It really shouldn't be an issue.
As for Hildegarde... yeah, it's a good idea to drain her one more time. But she was listed as quiescent earlier. If she's still producing grief, that's not an accurate description.
As for Hildegarde... yeah, it's a good idea to drain her one more time. But she was listed as quiescent earlier. If she's still producing grief, that's not an accurate description.
Krecart
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Wouldn't the relatavistic mass increase happen naturally as per all things approaching c? I'm not sure what you're getting at.
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Another idea, that goes under energy creation(sort of):
I kinda want to try if we can do lightning with grief.
'cause if we can, we could do, say, titanic rubidium lasers.
EDIT: @Krecart:
So far, it seems that we can only manipulate grief, not will it into or out of existence. As we're propelling a non-grief thing, we'd have to increase it mass substantially with TK to beat a coilgun.
EDIT2: Also, given how we can see the blades we're eviscerating with, we're still staying within non-relativistic velocities naturally.
I kinda want to try if we can do lightning with grief.
'cause if we can, we could do, say, titanic rubidium lasers.
EDIT: @Krecart:
So far, it seems that we can only manipulate grief, not will it into or out of existence. As we're propelling a non-grief thing, we'd have to increase it mass substantially with TK to beat a coilgun.
EDIT2: Also, given how we can see the blades we're eviscerating with, we're still staying within non-relativistic velocities naturally.
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It's not so much is she producing grief, as does grief in the seed interact with magic in some way (like how, seemingly, grief in a gem replaces magic at some ratio) or prevent the proper accumulation of magic in the first place.
e: On typing that out, it's something worth trying on its own, but we can not equate results with a grief'd seed to results with an empty one.
Krecart
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I was under the impression that relativistic mass increase just happened. Like, it's a natural consequence of nearing c. Why would we have to be able increase mass ourselves?
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It is a natural consequence of nearing c; you're paying for it in energy and we're effectively creating mass. By giving something speed nearing c we are increasing mass, thus have to be able to do it.
But mainly, moving grief is less subtle+our grief TK has so far remained in "I can see it" speed naturally.
aeqnai
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The 'Dokes are multiplying. We could get one of them to wish for grief control and let Homura have the other?