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The thing is that, yes, we're barreling in like a bull in a china shop into a web of agreements and alliances. But that isn't a bad thing since we're here to tear down all that nonsense anyway. We have no reason to care about "this group agreed to this, and knows this group" because where we're involved it's going to be as simple as "don't act amorally, and we'll be happy to cleanse indefinitely" and whether or not a group goes for it.

@Krecart
We're fixing everything. There's no reason for that to exclude Tokyo- it's just a question of when that happens rather than if.
 
Ugolino said:
The thing is that, yes, we're barreling in like a bull in a china shop into a web of agreements and alliances. But that isn't a bad thing since we're here to tear down all that nonsense anyway. We have no reason to care about "this group agreed to this, and knows this group" because where we're involved it's going to be as simple as "don't act amorally, and we'll be happy to cleanse indefinitely" and whether or not a group goes for it.

@Krecart
We're fixing everything. There's no reason for that to exclude Tokyo- it's just a question of when that happens rather than if.
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We can fix things we're we have a reasonable means and reach of doing so. Also that's a pretty hypocritical thing to say when the majority of the player base is scared shitless of going to Asunaro and 'fixing' things there.

edit: Also you're doing that thing we're you're acting like you're representing the entire player base again.
 
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Muramasa said:
We can fix things we're we have a reasonable means and reach of doing so. Also that's a pretty hypocritical thing to say when the majority of the player base is scared shitless of going to Asunaro and 'fixing' things there.
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Going by the Ravenholm comparison, we are probably going there eventually. Emphasis on eventually- just like Tokyo. In the meantime, we have better things to do than plan a field trip to either Tokyo or the City Where Everything Is Terrible.

EDIT: And again, I don't think there's much in the way of disagreement with the idea of Sabrina trying to fix everything.
 
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It isn't difficult to get an in. All we need to do is treat them friendly, do things like returning their seeds, cleansing their gems and seeds, ensuring they get paid, respect their territory, ask permission before stopping by, and so on. The implied goodwill we build is basically implied favors.

Chewing them out and abruptly offering them an exchange of services is jumping a whole lot of guns.

Plus, we're massively overestimating what our services are worth. If a group uses five half seeds a week, that means we're worth about 12 seeds a month. If a discounted mercenary job pays 20 seeds, it doesn't make economic sense to give that up.



Re: Ueda, what I mean is we should privately warn Chouko and the rest to speak carefully, especially about us. She's under no obligation to give full answers to questions rather than to leave some appropriate evasions.
 
Goodwill is all very well and good, but it doesn't actually get anything done. Playing along with an imaginary system a perceived system we can't be sure exists is a waste of everyone's time and energy. That's seeds wasted to Kyubey that just making the offer doesn't. And after the nonsense they pulled with mass property damage, the least we can do is call them n it.

The 20 seeds is likely to be an outlier since Akiko has an atypical stockpile to sit on and was clearly desperate.

And as for Ueda...We have absolutely nothing to hide here. We're here for the reasons we said we are, we can only benefit by spelling out our exact motivations...So what's the point of suspicious half-truths and avoiding answering questions?


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Okay, on second thoughts, the SWB option seems valid and might work, but it just seems too slow- and lacks the certainty that an agreement would have.

1. I'm not sure we can get enough goodwill fast enough to achieve our goals in the way that a straightforward agreement would, and we can't be sure that's how their system works.
2. If there are delays caused by the slow approach, that'll be seeds lost to Kyubey.
3.They should be called out on their massive property damage even if we aren't going to punish them for it.
4.The 20 seeds is likely to be an outlier since Akiko has an atypical stockpile to sit on and was clearly desperate.
5.What do we have to hide from Ueda?
 
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Ugolino said:
EDIT: And again, I don't think there's much in the way of disagreement with the idea of Sabrina trying to fix everything.
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And so that's why it's okay to act like that?

And there is a disagreement. We are needed in Mitakihara the most. Not Tokyo. Not Fukushima. Extending our reach as things stand is more time away from Mitakihara when we know shit can and will go down here.
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Plus, we're massively overestimating what our services are worth. If a group uses five half seeds a week, that means we're worth about 12 seeds a month. If a discounted mercenary job pays 20 seeds, it doesn't make economic sense to give that up.
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That analysis discounts the possible economic ramifications of not playing ball with us, which - even if we leave them unspoken - are unlikely to be overlooked.
Re: Ueda, what I mean is we should privately warn Chouko and the rest to speak carefully, especially about us. She's under no obligation to give full answers to questions rather than to leave some appropriate evasions.
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Why would we need or want her to be evasive on our behalf?
 
Muramasa said:
And so that's why it's okay to act like that?

And there is a disagreement. We are needed in Mitakihara the most. Not Tokyo. Not Fukushima. Extending our reach as things stand is more time away from Mitakihara when we know shit can and will go down here.
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Okay, point, especially on the tone thing. But long term, I'm pretty sure we are trying to fix everything- we could have just bunkered down in Mitakihara and cut off all outside contact. We didn't, and we've continued trying to do so. Mitakihara takes priority, of course, but we're not exactly ignoring the rest of the world here.
 
@SynchronizedWritersBlock & @Krecart

This is kinda a minor thing, but can one of you maybe change your avatars? I'm having difficulty telling the two of you apart. So when Krecart quotes SWB there's a brief moment of me going "Wait, why are you quoting yourself?" before I slap the stupid out of my head.
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Ugo, your doing that thing again.

Edit: Ugo conform for source of all Sabrina's brain damage.
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Omega, can you not do this? Jump into a thread solely to snipe at someone?
 
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@Cannongerbil: Or we can all use Kyubey avatars, so Sabrina can go "my mind is full of incubators".
Kyubey: "So that's how you can act so well."
@SynchronizedWritersBlock:
Hm, point about offering cleanse.

[X] Agree that you're tyrannical witch girl, named Sabrina.
-[X] If you're called by nicknames, reply back with nicknames.
[X] Check who is group's leader. Wake up, if needed.
[X] Chew leader for collateral. Thank Rin. Offer cleanses all around.
[X] Check how mercenary they are. Either make the same offer as to Sendai or one phrased as hiring offer with your terms of conduct.
[X] Make sure to tell all who accept seed rotation to call you when a seed gets full so you can make a quick trip.

@aeqnai: Citogenesis
 
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Cannongerbil said:
This is kinda a minor thing, but can one of you maybe change your avatars? I'm having difficulty telling the two of you apart. So when Krecart quotes SWB there's a brief moment of me going "Wait, why are you quoting yourself?" before I slap the stupid out of my head.
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Aw... but I really like this one~

@'Lement Why do you want us to introduce ourselves as a tyrant?
 
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Cannongerbil said:
@SynchronizedWritersBlock & @Krecart

This is kinda a minor thing, but can one of you maybe change your avatars? I'm having difficulty telling the two of you apart. So when Krecart quotes SWB there's a brief moment of me going "Wait, why are you quoting yourself?" before I slap the stupid out of my head.
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I was thinking of changing it anyway, but it'llneed to wait until I'm at a computer late this evening.
 
FlatlineAskari said:
That analysis discounts the possible economic ramifications of not playing ball with us, which - even if we leave them unspoken - are unlikely to be overlooked.
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But if we're making not being mercenaries a condition, then that is income they lose directly. I suppose there's an unspoken threat that we'll come and force them to do things our way, but that's hardly something I'm willing to support.

Why would we need or want her to be evasive on our behalf?
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Ueda is wondering how the interventionist grief controller is going to change the balance of power in this region. Based on that, she is going to make moves to secure her group's position. We better hope those moves don't involve conflict, but I'm not willing to make that bet. The less concrete information she has, the less likely she is to make drastic moves.

I mean, think about this. She practically jumped on the first opportunity she had to ask questions in private without us.
 
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But if we're making not being mercenaries a condition, then that is income they lose directly. I suppose there's an unspoken threat that we'll come and force them to do things our way, but that's hardly something I'm willing to support.



Ueda is wondering how the interventionist grief controller is going to change the balance of power in this region. Based on that, she is going to make moves to secure her group's position. We better hope those moves don't involve conflict, but I'm not willing to make that bet. The less concrete information she has, the less likely she is to make drastic moves.

I mean, think about this. She practically jumped on the first opportunity she had to ask questions in private without us.
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There's no need for an unspoken threat if we're spell out that the deal's off if they do something we can't tolerate. And I think you're underestimating the value of reusing seeds in making further income less important?

Instead of obfuscation, we could go for full visibility. There are some things that'll get our intervention, but beyond that, we have no interest in needless fighting or territory- and we don't need to hide that.

We've already given too much away to her to hide our motives properly- and short of sending her away and hiding all our further interactions, we can't really conceal what we want here, not should we.
 
@Cannongerbil: In case the sub-vote didn't give it away, landcollector is right.

We'll hardly be able to call Sasami Ramiel or Sakura Casey if we don't accept our own nickname, after all. And I want to keep calling them that :p

As for why tyrant...Poking fun at our own image. This is not just in Sabrina's head, Mami called us on it too, even if we're at most 'overbearing'.

Though, if you have better ideas how to accomplish that, I'm all ears.
 
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I think it'd be funnier as a reference to Sabrina the Teenage Witch. And we don't want to give the wrong impression of our intentions.
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Ueda is wondering how the interventionist grief controller is going to change the balance of power in this region. Based on that, she is going to make moves to secure her group's position. We better hope those moves don't involve conflict, but I'm not willing to make that bet. The less concrete information she has, the less likely she is to make drastic moves.

I mean, think about this. She practically jumped on the first opportunity she had to ask questions in private without us.
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I understand your worries, but what can the University group even tell Ueda?
They don't really know us either.

We just barged in and tried to stop the conflict and then trounced Sendai and Fukushima when we got ambushed.
And we can control grief. We are kind of altruistic and like to meddle but are somewhat reasonable and a do-gooder that likes helping people.
They don't really know that much about us, that Ueda couldn't just figure out from our behaviour just now, on her own.
 
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Yeah, Guilop put it better. We have nothing that we can really hide at this point, and I think we get more out of being completely candid about what we want and what will get a response from us.
 
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