Onmur
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Instead of making a familiar from scratch try to modify an existing one.
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It was attempted with the Stairs!Witch but Homura and Mami were killing them too quickly for us to actually manage to try.
Onmur
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I think this applies.
Krecart
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Onmur, dude.
"[NAME] I choose you!" is EXACTLY the thing to say in such a situation. There's is no more appropriate phrase we could possibly utter.
Dirtnap
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Thats the point. We shouldn't be doing that in the first place -_-
Krecart
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True.
I just think if it ever happens we have to make a Pokémon reference.
I disagree with his assertion that we can't say it, not that we shouldn't hatch Witches on people. Dropping Witches on people is Godzilla Threshold type stuff.
One of the early Asunaro villains did mention that she was on her way to Mitakihara...
Muramasa
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I was thinking it would be easier to turn familiars into usable objects. We're limited to 100 meters but familiars can exist independent of their witch. We may be able to turn a familiars core into a usable substitute for grief seeds without having to turn one into a witch.
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FlatlineAskari
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Whatever other considerations are in play, the one and only known instance of a QB node being successfully tampered with took place in Asunaro. Information relating to this is, potentially, valuable almost beyond measure.
Krecart
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Yeah, but Kazumi and Nico take them out and stick them in the freezer IIRC. Firn did say things wouldn't be the same, but that'd mess up a lot if Ayase/Luca managed to beat Kazumi and Nico.
Except that it was less a node and more a "stitched together blob of fluff animated by magic" at that point. If anything, the fact the meguca evidently created sentient life from said blob's more concerning.
Feeding famiiars grief marbles in Kasamino seems like a good place to start with that.
Gadjo
Doka
Why Kasamino? Just seems like a good way to piss off Kyoko.
Because we want to offer the idea of her not needing to feed people to familiars anymore, we'd run the idea by her first, and because Mami might not like the idea of making more Witches, current state of limpet aside.
But mostly for the first reason. We wouldn't do this there without telling her, that's just a bad idea.
Krecart
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So... in order avoid telling our oujo about a potentially dangerous experiment (we did promise not to run off and do dangerous stuff... or something, right?) we should leave town, head somewhere she already doesn't approve of us going to and then perform said experiment behind her back.
Wouldn't it be easier -and less sneaky- to let her know what you intend to do and make it safer by having Kirika or Homura along to assist?
Onmur
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Anything relating to the witch issue is dangerous ground to thread with Mami. We want to find out whether witches can be reverted back to megucas or not and whether magical girls die when they transform into witches or they're still alive in there.
If either unwitchification can be done or megucas are definitely dead, that's one point we can bring up to help defuse the witch bomb. Until then, keep Mami's attention as far away from the nature of witches and familiars as possible.
1. This is part of a Kasamino trip if it happens. We'd have dealt with "we're visiting Kyoko" before this ever happened.
2. There's no real danger, either from the witchbomb or Mami worry. It's more that she'd find the idea distasteful. Familiars turning into Witches when they eat grief is hardly news to her.
3. Kyoko'd be right there for backup and unless we royally screw up and dump in all of our marbles at once or something, there's no way for a familiar turned witch to really threaten us.
Krecart
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He was talking about feeding familiars Grief, right? Mami already knows that familiars become Witches. How is that an infohazard?
I don't see why we'd have to do it in Kasamino though. We could just as easily do it here without having to hide anything from Mami. We'd be feeding familiars Grief to see if there's a way to farm Seeds without using people. How's that distasteful?
Probably not good for Mami given that she sees herself as a Witch hunter, it'll almost certainly set off her trauma over the reason she and Kyoko had their argument, plus a large part of our reason to do it is to get Kyoko to stop feeding people to the familiars.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I feel there's an inherent danger to anything and everything relating familiar/witch science performed by Sabrina, due to her powers being so similar to that of witches.
The less we give people the chance to think about witches and Sabrina in the same sentence, the best.
Well, that's a risk of...well, Sabrina existing. Witches being spawned from grief is known. Feeding grief to familiars to turn them into Witches makes perfect sense and fits what Mami knows about the setting- and we'd be doing it with Kyoko anyway.
Onmur
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Pretty much. I'd rather not exacerbate it.
Witches are known to spawn from familiars killing enough humans, not from grief. Only those who've been witchbombed know about witches being created by grief.
Muramasa
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The problem would be us actively spawning new witches and leaving existing witches alive to spawn new threats. There's a definite moral issue with this.
Morally, it's better than Kyoko feeding people to familiars instead-which she's likely to be doing. Leaving witches alive isn't likely to be her problem right now so much as finding enough Witches.
Krecart
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We'd be killing anything we spawned, right? Also, why would we stop hunting other Witches. We don't do it for the Seeds. We do it to keep them from hurting people.
The ones we made (if that's even a thing we can do) would get killed for Seeds/Science and we keep hunting other Witches that pop as per SOP. What's the moral issue?
Edit: It'd also let us answer the nagging question of whether meguca-born Witches are in any way different from familiar-born ones.
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Gadjo
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We really shouldn't need to spawn witches for her to fight when we can offer infinite cleansing. If she's still familiar farming, we can put a stop to it on those grounds. Frankly, it wouldn't even make much sense if she still was; she's stubborn, sure, but she's not evil. If she didn't need to farm familiars, she wouldn't.