We took her because she is a woman and we wanted to fight patriarchy for a meritocracy. The appearance of nepotism impedes meritocracy.
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We took her because she is a woman and we wanted to fight patriarchy for a meritocracy. The appearance of nepotism impedes meritocracy.
Possible. Or an evolution on Humility?
Precedent is exactly the problem.
Our chiefs have been consistently favoring their own children regardless of whether they are a good choice. By favoring her own child, Magwyna is telling them "It's okay to do this, this is normal, I do it too", by standing aside from the choice and letting her advisors choose, she's telling them "being your child should not be a reason to consider them for leadership".
If they proceed to elect him, it sets a hallmark of Humility.
If they proceed to elect someone else, it weakens their ability to appoint heirs from their own family.
He is, and will be a fantastic Chief Clerk. His legacy is already ensured, if he doesn't fuck it up.
Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
Again, the son is one tier weaker than an average king in martial, but trades two tiers and four tiers of diplomacy and admin respectively in exchange for that minor weakness. It's not like one tier of martial ability will suddenly turn the possible enemy campaign into a crushing victory, especially if our guy continues to put up big burly walls at important places or boosts the military.
Correct. I mean the vote is basically:
-Magwyna leans on the election. Her son will win the election because they won't refuse her. If he has any flaws, they aren't really being considered at all.
-Magwyna does not lean on the election. Her son may or may not win the election. The chiefs will wonder if there's something wrong with him(there is actually, consider he's having sex with his mother's wives and an unclear number of married/unmarried women around), scrutinize him further, and if they STILL approve after going over him with a magnifying glass, he gets elected.
- Location
- Mists of Albion
Seriously!!!!!
Fucking enough!
It's not god damn nepotism, he is the best guy for the job and everyone knows it. The QM OUTRIGHT STATED IT!!!!
Jesus Christ you guys are actually annoying me.
'We want a meritocracy!!! Even if it causes civil war or massive damage!!!'
'Oh no! A really remote chance of hereditary monarchy! Is the hero a woman? No. Fuck him then! He's obviously Ma Nepotism because despite the fact everybody agrees he's the best man for the job and he's a Heroic character that's the only explanation!'
Powerofmind
In Madness Fallen
- Location
- United States
The other option is very specifically not mentioned a Stallion Chief. You're not snubbing them again, you're just supporting the only exceptional candidate.
- Location
- Mists of Albion
As I've said before if I was him and I lost out on the top job because of bullshit politics, I'd say fuck all of you.
Also it's not "it's okay to do it too" it's "choose someone with actual talent, don't let bullshit politics get in the way!"
- Location
- his hidden lair
But it's also not a precedent I feel inclined to cultivate.
This hero- is a cocky little shit. Being a hero doesn't mean he's without flaws, and anyone who thinks it's in any way not fucked up to impregnate his mom's wives and muddy the issue is not someone who doesn't buy into his own hype. Saying 'he'll clearly account for other views and mitigate his problems while he very much single handedly decides what does and doesn't get done.' rings pretty fucking hollow to me.
I thought Criid should have taught us by now that getting a hero isn't always a good thing. And womanizing son of the previous Queen who's sleeping with her politically relevant wives... fills me with more than a little concern.
- Location
- Canada
The problem is that it already happened and not doing so again to equalize it will hurt us. This let's us show the Stallion tribes that meritocracy and not family first is the way to go.
- Location
- Toronto, Ontario(occasionally)
[X] Send an envoy to request the Thunder Speakers rein in youths (-2 Diplomacy, chance of TS king actually complying, small chance of triggering war)
Maybe couple this with sending an envoy to the highland kingdom asking for a longer lasting contract of mutual defense against the thunder horse? or have the heir do it after passing?
[X] Support son (Chance of -1 Legitimacy, heir becomes Yehlmyn [Mediocre Martial, Good Diplomacy, Heroic Admin])
Incan style communism, or really any communism, is administratively complex, superior admin skills in charge would help. He looks like he has the chops to earn the job, in that he outmatches the normal choice, and honestly whoever else might get the job would also be supported by family connections, it is very much a part of politics, especially in this era.
Maybe couple this with sending an envoy to the highland kingdom asking for a longer lasting contract of mutual defense against the thunder horse? or have the heir do it after passing?
[X] Support son (Chance of -1 Legitimacy, heir becomes Yehlmyn [Mediocre Martial, Good Diplomacy, Heroic Admin])
Incan style communism, or really any communism, is administratively complex, superior admin skills in charge would help. He looks like he has the chops to earn the job, in that he outmatches the normal choice, and honestly whoever else might get the job would also be supported by family connections, it is very much a part of politics, especially in this era.
It's the appearance of nepotism that matters. It doesn't matter whether he's the best person for the job when the election process is bypassed because the King said she favors this candidate.
It's compromising the election procedure of having to win the approval of the council to gain a short term benefit. All past Hero Kings won the approval of the council on their own merits. Nobody backed them up.
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- Location
- England
[x] Send an envoy to request the Thunder Speakers rein in youths (-2 Diplomacy, chance of TS king actually complying, small chance of triggering war)
[x] Support son (-1 Legitimacy, heir becomes Yehlmyn [Mediocre Martial, Good Diplomacy, Heroic Admin])
[x] Support son (-1 Legitimacy, heir becomes Yehlmyn [Mediocre Martial, Good Diplomacy, Heroic Admin])
- Location
- Mists of Albion
That is not what is happening at all. Did you even read what the QM said about it?
He said that everybody is so impressed with him that they expect him to be named heir and expect his mother to give her talented, best guy for the job, son her endorsement as most kings do.
If she doesn't people start to wonder what's wrong with him and say 'there must be something wrong with him if his mother won't endorse him!!'
So really you should understand the whole situation mate. Understand what's going on before you try to convince people you are right.
Dude, it's just a game, relax. Take a walk, go watch cute kitty and puppy videos. This isn't an real life election here.
- Location
- England
[x] Send an envoy to request the Thunder Speakers rein in youths (-2 Diplomacy, chance of TS king actually complying, small chance of triggering war)
[x] Support son (-1 Legitimacy, heir becomes Yehlmyn [Mediocre Martial, Good Diplomacy, Heroic Admin])
[x] Support son (-1 Legitimacy, heir becomes Yehlmyn [Mediocre Martial, Good Diplomacy, Heroic Admin])
- Location
- Mists of Albion
See my previous post and read the QM's information on it first before you say this stuff
- Location
- United States
It happens every time a province Mains New Settlement. We get the free mysticism from the accompanying holy site.
- Location
- Mists of Albion
I just really dislike hypocrites and people who outright ignore information to win a debate
- Location
- Simi Valley, CA, United States
You know he's cocky from what? One update? And we never saw how the relationship developed between him and the others - you're kinda assuming he was womanizing and doing everything in secret. The mother obviously does not care or feels betrayal.
You voted for the same thing twice between the space of two replies.
So what if he is favored to be heir? This is not what we're quipping about.
Which is the point.
Let them wonder. Let them scrutinize him. Let him win their approval without his mother backing him up.
This is a decision made and advocated in full knowledge of the situation, because risking NOT getting a Heroic King is well worth setting a precedent that the parent should not have a say in the election. You don't get good precedents by making the easy choice.
There IS something wrong with him besides. Nobody's been factoring it, but he's got a major infidelity problem for other people.
Actually she's thankful that his Diplomacy is merely Good, because he would apparently have seduced the whole city if he was Heroic. A Lustful King has it's own issues.
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