TBF, Mags, you have been doing a lot of the heavylifting for the quest, so this will be in good hands.
To be clear to everyone, this is just me burning out on imagination of the quest, since my muse has been hitting me over the head a lot with so many different ideas that I just can't find myself too interested in this.
I'll still hang out here, though, since this still does have a sepcial place in my heart.
I'd like to thank you all for making this a wonderful experience while it lasted.
I'd also like to thank @Magoose, @Fluffy_serpent, and @Martin Noctis for doing so much to help prepare and write this quest. I couldn't have done it without you all.
(i had this thought imagining what would Bruce do if he had the same reputation and political power as he has now but set in the 40's during WW2. I can't get this thought of my head so enjoy this Apocrypha.)
Literally how Wendell Willikie got nominated. That being said, I think it's near impossible for Bruce to outright win against FDR who was also an interventionist, he just had to deal with an isolationist congress that prevented him from taking direct intervention. Only way 30's Bruce could win is if Roosevelt declines a third term. Also Bruce needs to be 35 there instead of the 25 he is now.
Also as a reminder, Carrie is half-Jewish through her father and thus Mary, Joseph and Sarah are all a quarter Jewish. Thus Bruce past and present has very personal reasons to hate Nazis.
Literally how Wendell Willikie got nominated. That being said, I think it's near impossible for Bruce to outright win against FDR who was also an interventionist, he just had to deal with an isolationist congress that prevented him from taking direct intervention. Only way 30's Bruce could win is if Roosevelt declines a third term. Also Bruce needs to be 35 there instead of the 25 he is now.
Also as a reminder, Carrie is half-Jewish through her father and thus Mary, Joseph and Sarah are all a quarter Jewish. Thus Bruce past and present has very personal reasons to hate Nazis.
Firefox Directed By: Clint Eastwood
Produced By: Clint Eastwood
Writen By: Alex Lasker and Wendell Wellman
Production Company: Malpaso Productions
Distributed By: Lucasfilms Unlimited
Starring: Clint Eastwood, Freddie Jones, David Huffman, Warren Clarke, Ronald Lacey, Kenneth Colley, Klaus Löwitsch, Nigel Hawthorne, Stefan Schnabel, Thomas Hill, Curt Lowens, Clive Merrison, Kai Wulff, Dimitra Arliss, Austin Willis, Michael Currie, Alan Tilvern, Oliver Cotton, Hugh Fraser and Wolf Kahler
Westerns are not, nor have they ever been your cup of tea when it comes to filmmaking. No, that honor belongs to Clint, who basically built his entire career out of it, and somehow also managed to branch out to different films while also retaining his passion for said films. You just know one of these days he's going to ask you to participate in one of them, and you will have to agree if only for everything he's done for you.
You can only hope that day is far, far away.
In the meantime, Lucasfilms has become the sole distributor for Clint's own Production company, and you've been given the chance for his latest film to properly released...and right now you can't find any way to tell the man who helped you when you first came to Hollywood how the film has some...issues. Then again, perhaps it's not your place to tell him, after all you only need to make sure the movie is properly distributed, and also to let Mike work his magic...the very moment he stops being angry at you.
Seriously, whatever it is must be huge, you don't think you've ever seen him this mad.
Regardless, you've seen what Clint is trying to do this time around; a thrilling and intriguing movie based on the novel of the same name. The USSR has developed a high-tech jet called MiG-31 that is capable of flying at Mach 6 (Hypersonic Flight), is invisible to radar and can use weapons partially controlled by a neuralink (controlled by thought). As soon as the pilot detects a threat - either visually or a scope - his brain impulses will direct a missile to said threat, without so much as pushing a button. The American fighter pilot assigned by Secret Service (Freddie Jones) and the Vietnam veteran named Mitchell Gant (Clint Eastwood) who is also a burned-out USAF ace pilot, are smuggled into the USSR to infiltrate the Russian airbase at Bilyarsk, where the supersonic fighting plane Firefox/MiG-31 is being finished, they must try to retrieve it and avoid the mass production that would give the Russians a huge advance. Officer Mitchell Gant goes behind Russian lines and faces a dangerous assignment, while also being helped by various secret agents (Warren Clarke, Nigel Hawthorne, Ronald Lacey) against the KGB (Hugh Frazer, David Gant) as well as Soviet officials (Kenneth Colley, Oliver Cotton, Klaus Lowitsch).
And while the entire premise may sound awesome.... well, the movie is kinda good enough.
The first half of the film is a spy thriller and can be pretty nail biting at times as Clint gets his papers checked at regular intervals. Also he's suffering from the same post Vietnam War disorder that many of the veterans have been reported to deal with, so there is accuracy if anything, which really adds up to the tension. The special effects were a bit clumsy, though ILM was able to salvage it just in time for the premiere, and the scenes as well as the choreography really add up. The performance of many of the actors, Freddie Jones in particular, are some of the highlights of the film, and if anything you can say with all the confidence in the world that nearly two thirds of the movie truly grip you and have you on the edge of your seat!
Now, if only they could have stuck the landing...
It's not like it's bad in any way; the first two parts of the movie are pure thriller with the insertion into Russia, finding the plane, having to fool the entire Soviet Union. It's all good...then we get to getting the plane and returning with it back to safe territory and it all unravels. The entire section has a pacing problem, one that just about kills the entire film as you just wonder why is it taking so long... why are you still here! With the worst part being that once you have time to think, you start to see most of the flaws of the film that had once could have been ignored, yet no longer as you try to do anything to stave off boredom.
Thankfully, the audience seems to see it as something fun, even if it takes so long to get there in the end.
Perhaps it was the acting from many of the cast (and you have to admit that Clint always gives a performance worthy of watching), or perhaps it was once more Mike's own magic at selling the movie to the right audience, but at the very least you can see that the movie made a good profit, even if the number from the audience was not as big as you'd hoped for. They did seem to have fun, even if it did not have the excitement that you're used in seeing in other Lucasfilms productions. Nevertheless, you guess you can call it a success? Or at the very least, it crossed the finish line.
Critics seem to be on point with the audience here. Many of them don't have that much good to say about the film, calling it a mess, a movie with a murky plot, and of course what many could clearly see; that the movie was way too long for the story they were trying to adapt, and the pacing could've been better. Siskel and Ebert seemed to favor it though, which if anything was a balm for Clint's ego. Not that he needed it, he seemed pleased enough with the product, and was now looking to the future for the next project.
...Somedays, you truly envy how he is able to just move through any failure and just not let it affect him. That's what separates a true veteran here in Hollywood.
The 1980 United States presidential election was the 49th quadrennial presidential election, held on Tuesday, November 4, 1980. The Republican ticket of Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush defeated incumbent Democratic president Jimmy Carter and incumbent vice president Walter Mondale in a landslide victory.
Carter's unpopularity and poor relations with Democratic leaders encouraged an unsuccessful intra-party challenge by United States senator Ted Kennedy. Meanwhile, the Republican primaries were contested between former California governor Reagan, former Central Intelligence Agency director George H. W. Bush, U.S. Representative John B. Anderson, and several other candidates. All of Reagan's opponents had dropped out by the end of the primaries, and the Republicans nominated a ticket consisting of Reagan and Bush. The Republican National Convention would feature Bruce O'Brian as the key speaker with O'Brian's participation helping to create a ideological reformation of the Republican party and American conservatism coinciding with Reagan's candidacy.
Reagan campaigned for increased defense spending, supply-side economic policies, drug rehabilitation, and a balanced budget. His campaign was aided by Democratic dissatisfaction with Carter, the Iran hostage crisis, and a worsening economy marked by stagflation. Carter attacked Reagan as a dangerous right-wing extremist unsuited to handle the Cold War, and warned that Reagan would cut Medicare and Social Security. The Carter campaign was aided early on by the rally 'round the flag effect from the hostage crisis, but as the crisis lasted to election day, it became a detriment that tarnished Carter's otherwise excellent foreign policy record. Both candidates were united in staunch support for the Artemis program and a return to the moon.
On political issues, both candidates differed in areas of support with Reagan being seen as stronger in domestic policy and Carter in foreign policy. The endorsement of Reagan by Bruce O'Brian began a trend of celebrity campaigning where candidates for high office would seek active endorsements and participation from celebrities. O'Brians participation in electoral politics would also have a profound effect through his attempted assassination by the People's Republic of China. The attempt along with other activities of Chinese espionage and aggressive expansion would cause Carter to cease relations with China, incidentally vindicating Reagan's Cold Warrior platform. It has often been debated whether the Cold War or the economy was the priority for the election with many political scientists arguing that Stagflation had secured Reagan's landslide.
Reagan won the election by a landslide, taking 469 votes in the Electoral College and 54.8% of the popular vote and a difference of 10 million votes to Carter's 43.6%. Carter carried just eightstates and Washington, D.C. Due to the rise of conservatism following Reagan's victory, historians have considered the election a political realignment that began with Barry Goldwater's presidential campaign in 1964.
-From Wikipedia the Free Encyclopedia
Along with winning the electoral college and popular vote in an epic landslide, Reagan's victory would as you would come to find out in the coming days, provide a great boost for the Republican party, its greatest victory since the election of Hoover in 1928. Dubbed the "Reagan Revolution", the coattails of Reagan would prove to have a dramatic effect on the national political landscape as the Republicans cemented the end of the Democrats as the natural party of government in what is being called as a realignment election that resets the two party system into a more equal state, and pushes conservatism to the mainstream after half a century of Liberal dominance.
In Washington, the Republicans retook the Senate for the first time since 1946 with a 14 seat surge, largely from critical gains in the West, Plains and Southern states as incumbents retired and a new breed of Conservatives with heavy endorsement from Reagan, and thanks to your involvement in the RNC association by proxy with Bruce O'Brian, rode to major victories. Every Senate seat that remained in Democratic hands was thanks to the winners being heavily established incumbents and major players in the party and on capitol hill so incumbency advantage and existing popularity triumphed the ongoing Stagflation and the good and bad of Carter.
In the House, while Regan didn't get a 50 state sweep the GOP would get a 50 state sweep and cross 200 seats for the first time in 30 years. There's just too many Democratic incumbents to gain the Speakership, but the closing of the gap so greatly were a majority is just 11 seats away is a major game changer with Republicans hopeful that they can gain a House majority within the next decade if cards are played right, but for now Democrats rest easy that they have one half of Congress to prevent Reagan from having blind support for his agenda, or at least that's the plan.
The Republican Senate and Democratic House are heavily complicated by party splits in ideologies. For the Democrats, there exists a substantial minority of conservatives, mainly Southern and Western Congressmen, who grew disenchanted with LBJ and Carter's Liberalism, and while loyal to the party of Roosevelt and Kennedy, like most of Reagan's platform and wish to cross the aisle and play ball. On the other side of the aisle, your entrance into partisan politics and speech at the RNC has galvanized the moderate and liberal Republicans who were previously likely to fade off into the sunset with Rockefeller's vice presidency. This along with the creation of the California Club and Faithful Coalition has split the party into two distinctive brands of conservatism and no single faction reigns supreme within the GOP.
For the near future Reagan's most popular policy like the tax cuts, military spending, Artemis support and drug rehabilitation are likely to pass with strong majorities. But the more sensitive partisan issues of the day like education, culture and judicial affairs could be likely to swing either side of the spectrum depending upon how the cards are played by the White House and Capitol Hill. For now, you have some faith that morning will come soon for America.
It was a fascinating situation where Ronald Reagan won this immense landslide victory while previously having been the California Governor, you were the most famous person from Hollywood and openly endorsed Reagan and the Republicans, Jerry Brown had shit the bed and killed the party's statewide hegemony with Hillsgate, and yet in spite of all of that Alan Cranston would go on to win a landslide and win re-election as the Democratic Senator representing California in Washington.
It's not like Alan was a god among the Senate or even one of the leading Democrats as while he was a respectable statesman, he wasn't near as accomplished or influential as say Ted Kennedy, Frank Church or Daniel Inouye. Cranston was most notable for being one of the leading anti-Nixon Senators during the Watergate hearings as well as being a cautious dove who fought against blanket jingoism and Cold Warrior overreach, but since Romania and China became more pragmatic and was one of Carter's leading allies in foreign affairs. He had a fighting chance, but you never took him as landslide material.
However, Cranston had a major advantage in his opponent being Paul Gann, a tax hyperfocused activist who wanted strict fiscal cielings to be placed on taxes and spending. Besides that, Gann kind of just parroted Reagan on every other policy and unfortunately for Gann, had the charisma of a wet paper bag and didn't really create much passion or enthusiasm. You would have supported someone else in the primaries, but unfortunately the only other choices were John Schmitz the John Bircher who was on the AIP ticket in '72, and Sam Yorty, so Gann was the best of a shitty candidate pool.
Lastly, what may have tipped Cranston to such a commanding lead was George's involvement. Your best friend and partner may have made peace with your strong support of Reagan and political activism, but he was still a liberal democrat at heart. While neutral on Reagan vs Carter, George held no such inhibitions with the Senate race and gave an open endorsement to Cranston along with donating to his campaign. George's support neutralized your support by proxy, and you never really went to bat for Gann, and with it came a fair amount of swing voters while Cranston put in the work to save his seat. The media had a brief frenzy on this action, speculating a Lucasfilms civil war and mass partisan drama brewing within the studio, but you made sure to put a firm halt to such speculation by stating that you respected George's political beliefs and had no problem with him endorsing a Democratic candidate as any opposition on your end would be high hypocrisy. So long as George didn't use Lucasfilms resources or money, you were fine with it and George also said he still considered you a close friend and partner, even if were an "elephant". Some of the state party leaders were grumpy with you for not keeping George with silent, but your friendship was more valuable with politics and you wouldn't get elections get in the way of your brotherhood. Sure the two of you would always have different perspectives, but when together all the partisanship was used as nothing more than playful ribbing.
George Brown Jr. 1-55 re-elected 56-100 Defeated 53
By less than a percentage point, Democrat George Brown Jr. would remain your local representative in the US House. Despite the fact that Beverly Hills as a whole saw a return to its pre-70s status as a conservative town with a Republican sweep, George would win re-election against John Stark largely thanks to you. While you didn't actively endorse George, the two of you had a fair amount of history as he was the author of the House version of CARE and you had worked with him closely to see the bill pass. Thus George was by extension seen as a pro-Goose Democrats (A LOT of Democrats wanted it to be known how much they loved Star Wars or Batman) and his incumbency advantage was strengthened by moderates and independents going to him because he was your "friend". The Brown campaign also tried everything to legally associate you with Brown by showing lots of clips of your work together for CARE on the TV ads. That being said, it didn't stop Liberal Hollywood from dumping fat checks into Brown's coffers and making strong endorsements and ads. You probably saw more celebrities appear in Brown ads then you did for all of Carter's celebrity endorsements.
If you were being honest...you were actually pretty happy with this outcome. Brown was probably your favorite Democrat and if it weren't for Jerry Brown and Carter, his example might have had you voting Democrat. Almost all of his core issues and positions aligned with your personal belief and Brown had been the champion for a lot of your central policies. He was CARE's stalwart defender in the House, pushed for education reform and tech innovation, authored the EPA legislation, fought for refugee welfare and immigration expansion, and was one of the most enthusiastic fans of Artemis. He had always been nice to you in personal interactions, and Carrie even gave him her vote on the downballot. In the end, all you could do was just refrain from actively campaigning against Brown and you might vote for him in the midterms. Brown seemed to take being your Congressman in good stride, jokingly promising to author legislation to declare Empire Strikes Back legally the best film.
Lastly there was the California state elections. Mike Curb wasn't up for re-election until '82, but half the State Senate and all 80 seats of the State Assembly were. Hillsgate on paper should have ensured a Republican sweep with the Reagan Revolution, but this was dampened by a good handful of Republicans also were active participants, thus purging both state parties of most of its senior leadership and incumbents, leaving the state congress open for either side to take the reigns of power.
While the RNC was hopeful that your endorsements would turn California into a deep blood red state along with Reagan on the ticket, Reagan had a lot of enemies in Governor and varying phases of unpopularity while California as a whole had some deep progressive bastions like San Francisco. What would ultimately tip the balance of the election would be Mike Curb's first year as Governor. Mike had already settled into office with a modest amount of popularity as an anti-corruption warrior and your chief political ally. So far he had approval ratings in the 60s with California having the best economic performance in the midst of the Great Recession and the start of Mike's anti-drug policies with his rehabilitation centered community aid showing some effective results.
While there was only so much that could be done against the state's Liberal inertia, Curb's leadership and your activism was enough that California was declared to be a new Purple state across the board. The State Senate saw a razor thin margin of 21-19 in favor of the Republicans while the State Assembly was 44-36. A technical victory, were it not for the fact a decent amount of legislators were John Birchers or fiscal maniacs who thought any form of government was inherently evil. Still, you have faith that Mike can do good work for the next two years.
Considering that we rescued them in 1977, I think most of them if they were dedicated to the naturalization process were eligible to vote which helped to shift some House seats Republican as well as grant the GOP a majority in both state legislatures when the GOP hasn't gained control of either one since 1970 OTL. With them and the Romanians that Bruce rescued, Mike Curb will have an easier time for re-election.
Back in terms of movie stuff, with our acquisition of Hanna-Barbera I think it would be best if before next turn and the agenda setting for the new year that we establish with what our goals for the studio are in the near future. We've got a basic idea for what Sunrise, Dreamworks and Pixar will do but Hanna-Barbera is mostly without direction and here they were kind of a mess OTL with a lot of sequels and gimmick shows being pumped out in the factory.
@Magoose Are there any demands the studio wants besides just making good shows? Also did you ever say that Johnny Quest had a sequel series here or was I misremembering things?
Currently here are the shows that are being run by Hanna-Barbera:
The All New Popeye Hour
Super Friends
Drack Pack
The Flintstone Comedy Show
The Fonz and the Happy Days Gang
Richie-Rich
Scooby-Doo and Scrappy Doo
These are the shows set to air next year and presumably have been in production this year:
Laverne & Shirley
Flintstones Primetime Specials
Space Stars
The Kwickey Koala Show
Trollkinds
The Smurfs
Needless to say, I think we can safely cancel everything above in order to provide a fresh new slate to Hanna-Barbera. The only shows I'm interested in saving are The Smurfs since it's probably the best of HB's 80s shows, and maybe Richie Rich as while I didn't watch it a lot, it seems to be among the more decent stuff given by reception, though I won't be sad to see it go.
@overmind Do you think that Birdman or Space Ghost can be revived in the 80s considering the new superhero craze by the DC movies and Marvel shows, and for the latter space craze due to Star Wars? Also do you think it's possible both Birdman and Space Ghost can become Marvel characters?
I also have plans for a pitch of a show which is basically Seinfeld fused with the Looney Tunes show of an ensemble of a lot of the classic Hanna-Barbera characters (Yogi Bear, Top Cat, Huckleberry Hound, Magilla Gorilla, etc.) living together in a city and going about their daily lives and misadventures.
Latsly here are the existing Hanna-Barbera properties I think we should take a look at revisiting:
The Jetsons
Flintstones
Tom & Jerry
Johnny Quest
Yogi Bear
Peter Potamus
Atom Ant
Secret Squirrel
Scooby-Doo
Josie and the PussyCats
Wacky Races
The Banana Splits
Sealab 2020
Hong Kong Phooey
The Herculoids
Keep in mind it's not like I want us to do all of the above right now, it's just the list of properties I think have the most potential of being successful with a revival and/or sequels.
@Magoose Are there any demands the studio wants besides just making good shows? Also did you ever say that Johnny Quest had a sequel series here or was I misremembering things?
...Fucking hell they were in a more creative rut than expected! What the actual hell!
I guess I only remembered the Renaissance cartoons they made, because seriously, the only fun ones I see are Scooby-Doo and the Smurfs.
Alright, realignement; we go with new series of Scooby-Doo (I'll try to make a pitch for the 13 Ghosts of Scooby-Doo, though I want to include Fred and Velma). And perhaps we can try this cartoon that never managed to take off in OTL: Swat Kats
That show was fun, and had an interesting premise that can be expanded for more villains beyond one city, and perhaps even more areas beyond it.
Needless to say, I think we can safely cancel everything above in order to provide a fresh new slate to Hanna-Barbera. The only shows I'm interested in saving are The Smurfs since it's probably the best of HB's 80s shows, and maybe Richie Rich as while I didn't watch it a lot, it seems to be among the more decent stuff given by reception, though I won't be sad to see it go.
@overmind Do you think that Birdman or Space Ghost can be revived in the 80s considering the new superhero craze by the DC movies and Marvel shows, and for the latter space craze due to Star Wars? Also do you think it's possible both Birdman and Space Ghost can become Marvel characters?
I say we keep Popeye, Scooby Doo and the Smurfs. Popeye is a classic and keeping it is always a good idea. Scooby-Doo is Hannah-Barbera's mascot at this time as it's the most recognizable. And the Smurfs, well, for Communist shit, it's kinda good nonetheless.
As for RIchie Rich, welll I remmeber I saw it, and I thought it was "Meh". So I don't mind if it remains.
I don't think they can become Marvel Characters, but perhaps we can revive them as a new slew of characters for a new Superhumman Universe. I mean, Hannah-Barbera created many other heroes that technically all exsited in their own universe, but what if we combined them in a single one.
Obviously not all of their characters, but the Superhero ones.
I also have plans for a pitch of a show which is basically Seinfeld fused with the Looney Tunes show of an ensemble of a lot of the classic Hanna-Barbera characters (Yogi Bear, Top Cat, Huckleberry Hound, Magilla Gorilla, etc.) living together in a city and going about their daily lives and misadventures.
Latsly here are the existing Hanna-Barbera properties I think we should take a look at revisiting:
The Jetsons
Flintstones
Tom & Jerry
Johnny Quest
Yogi Bear
Peter Potamus
Atom Ant
Secret Squirrel
Scooby-Doo
Josie and the PussyCats
Wacky Races
The Banana Splits
Sealab 2020
Hong Kong Phooey
The Herculoids
Keep in mind it's not like I want us to do all of the above right now, it's just the list of properties I think have the most potential of being successful with a revival and/or sequels.
Tom & Jerry: We bought them for a reason, and new adventures of the duo would be amazing. Not many cartoons follow the same level of extreme slapstick comedy that they do.
Atom Ant: I would love to see a reboot of this show. I just loves the concept of Atom Ant, and I think a more serious take, built around the paranoia of the 50's Cold War and Nuclear annihilation would be amazing.
Secret Squirrel: It's funny, and the new version they made for Cartoon Network was inspired on how they handled the characters and the introduction of new ones as well.
Scooby-Doo: It's Scooby-Doo, of course we're doing it.
Josie and the Pussycats: Perhaps a show that shows them just starting up and moving on from there? It worked in the movie, though this time we can expand on it better.
Wacky Races: Expand on this; the Wacky Races are amazing, and we could add new and different racers from other properties in different races, mixing them up with their own vehicles.
Hong Kong Phooey: This was fun when I was young, the entire misunderstandings and wacky fights make it enjoyable to watch.
The Herculoids: Could be added to new Superhuman universe.
Personally, among those mentioned by overmind, I'd really like for us to continue with The Jetsons, The Flintstones, and Yogi Bear. Both The Flintstones and The Jetsons are great shows and The Jetsons also benefits from the current Sci-Fi craze. Yogi Bear is also a great show, but I mostly just want us to do it for personal reasons. I fucking loved Yogi Bear growing up and a core memory from my childhood was actually going to one of those Yogi Bear camp/resort things modeled after Jellystone Park.
Alright, realignement; we go with new series of Scooby-Doo (I'll try to make a pitch for the 13 Ghosts of Scooby-Doo, though I want to include Fred and Velma). And perhaps we can try this cartoon that never managed to take off in OTL: Swat Kats
That show was fun, and had an interesting premise that can be expanded for more villains beyond one city, and perhaps even more areas beyond it.
I say we keep Popeye, Scooby Doo and the Smurfs. Popeye is a classic and keeping it is always a good idea. Scooby-Doo is Hannah-Barbera's mascot at this time as it's the most recognizable. And the Smurfs, well, for Communist shit, it's kinda good nonetheless.
As for RIchie Rich, welll I remmeber I saw it, and I thought it was "Meh". So I don't mind if it remains.
I don't think they can become Marvel Characters, but perhaps we can revive them as a new slew of characters for a new Superhumman Universe. I mean, Hannah-Barbera created many other heroes that technically all exsited in their own universe, but what if we combined them in a single one.
Obviously not all of their characters, but the Superhero ones.
In regards to the Popeye show I just mentioned, it's actually one of the lower quality shows in the franchise as it was heavily sanitized, Popeye wasn't allowed to punch anything, and had a good deal of focus on PSAs and edutainment. Basically it was rated G Popeye so I think it's safe to axe it and I would much rather start fresh with Popeye. I would much rather start a new Popeye show altogether after a few years.
So you still want the Scooby and Scrappy Show to continue for another season? At least for the long term in regards to Scrappy, I don't want him to become a hate punching bag because that was too mean and stupid when Scrappy saved the franchise. Would much rather have Scrappy just guest star every now and then and maybe flow more to the Hanna-Barbera ensemble shows.
A Hanna-Barbera superhero universe could be cool. Other ideas to include that are the Bionic stooges, Frankenstein Jr. and the Impossibles. It would be fun to have them feature their own crossover events and we can even make movies if they're really popular.
Why wouldn't they be able to fit into the Marvel universe though? I think the less cartoony ones like Birdman and Space Ghost could slide right into Marvel and there's nothing stopping us since we own both Marvel and Hanna-Barbera. Plus imagine the crossovers like Birdman and Spider-Man or Space Ghost and the Guardians of the Galaxy. Not saying I want Hanna-Barbera heroes to become Avengers or Marvel A-listers, but I think it can work. At the very least I'm hoping Marvel can produce some kick ass comics for them so they can hero comics outside of Marvel 616.
In regards to a Hanna-Barbera universe, I think it can work but in no way like how Warner Bros tried and failed miserably with Scoob. Have all the Hanna-Barbera characters coexist in a shared universe, but don't make every single movie some crossover promotion like Scoob and let the shows mostly stand on their own. Save the big crossover stuff for TV specials and a couple of movies like the Yogi Bear crossovers in the early 70s which were pretty awesome in how they were basically the HB Avengers moment. Instead, have the shared universe thing be more casual like the Mystery Gang listening to a Pussycats single on the radio, Tom and Jerry having a camping episode at Jellystone, Yogi coming across Flintstone cave paintings, stuff like that.
Tom & Jerry: We bought them for a reason, and new adventures of the duo would be amazing. Not many cartoons follow the same level of extreme slapstick comedy that they do.
Any specific ideas or you just want to create more Tom and Jerry shorts? When we get to the direct to dvd movie phase of the franchise, I have a fun idea of Tom and Jerry in Star Wars where Jerry is a Rebel and Princess Leia's friend who protects the Death Star plans with Threepio and R2D2 while Tom is a Stormtrooper cat sent to capture Jerry and the plans and we basically get slapstick New Hope.
Atom Ant: I would love to see a reboot of this show. I just loves the concept of Atom Ant, and I think a more serious take, built around the paranoia of the 50's Cold War and Nuclear annihilation would be amazing.
Josie and the Pussycats: Perhaps a show that shows them just starting up and moving on from there? It worked in the movie, though this time we can expand on it better.
Yeah my idea was that instead of the Pussycats solving mysteries or saving the world from villains, it's more a slice of life of them trying to become a successful band and all the messy adventures of branching out into the music industry, maybe high school shenanigans if we still have them in high school. Basically American K-on with Bocchi the Rock comedy.
Wacky Races: Expand on this; the Wacky Races are amazing, and we could add new and different racers from other properties in different races, mixing them up with their own vehicles.
Yeah, for the Wacky Races reboot I was hoping to have it be a globe-trotting adventure instead of just in America. Do you think we should add Dreamworks characters? Had half a mind to have Char be a racer for the laughs.
Personally, among those mentioned by overmind, I'd really like for us to continue with The Jetsons, The Flintstones, and Yogi Bear. Both The Flintstones and The Jetsons are great shows and The Jetsons also benefits from the current Sci-Fi craze. Yogi Bear is also a great show, but I mostly just want us to do it for personal reasons. I fucking loved Yogi Bear growing up and a core memory from my childhood was actually going to one of those Yogi Bear camp/resort things modeled after Jellystone Park.
Definitely plan to give all three shows some love. OTL, Jetsons had two more seasons in '85 and '86 so I can easily see Hanna-Barbera requesting to make more seasons here to capitalize off of Star Wars popularity. Flintstones I definitely want to do all of the tv specials. And Yogi Bear was the best of the classic shows and he'll be the star of my crossover show.
Also some other ideas for Hanna-Barbera. First, we have them in charge of Star Wars kids content like Droids, here I'm thinking of maybe a Han Solo Adventures series of his time before Luke and Leia. Secondly, we have Hanna-Barbera produce Oversimplified once the Mythological Tale mess is done.
In regards to the Popeye show I just mentioned, it's actually one of the lower quality shows in the franchise as it was heavily sanitized, Popeye wasn't allowed to punch anything, and had a good deal of focus on PSAs and edutainment. Basically it was rated G Popeye so I think it's safe to axe it and I would much rather start fresh with Popeye. I would much rather start a new Popeye show altogether after a few years.
Hmm, well, where I lived from we only got the classic Popeye cartoons, so i was not aware that there were any others where Popeye was not actually allowed to hit anyone. Is that thing possible? Popeye always fights and defeats his enemies by hitting them.
But yeah, if that's the case then let's reboot it.
So you still want the Scooby and Scrappy Show to continue for another season? At least for the long term in regards to Scrappy, I don't want him to become a hate punching bag because that was too mean and stupid when Scrappy saved the franchise. Would much rather have Scrappy just guest star every now and then and maybe flow more to the Hanna-Barbera ensemble shows.
Well, it's just that we kinda still have a contract for the show to continue, right? From what I read this was supposed to last up till 1982-83. As for Scrappy-Doo, I never had anything against him, but at the same time I feel he's more like the kind of character that should make visits rather than be in the front. I agree he saved the francise in OTL, but he did not have that much going for him besides his desire tof fight and stand against the ghosts, whichin a way goes against the entire formula of the gang.
Why wouldn't they be able to fit into the Marvel universe though? I think the less cartoony ones like Birdman and Space Ghost could slide right into Marvel and there's nothing stopping us since we own both Marvel and Hanna-Barbera. Plus imagine the crossovers like Birdman and Spider-Man or Space Ghost and the Guardians of the Galaxy. Not saying I want Hanna-Barbera heroes to become Avengers or Marvel A-listers, but I think it can work. At the very least I'm hoping Marvel can produce some kick ass comics for them so they can hero comics outside of Marvel 616.
My thoughts went more to the idea that, if we went for them being added to the Marvel Universe, then we might not get Space Ghost: Coast to Coast, or Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law in the future and i loves those shows.
Also, whenever a new character joins Marvel, they always try to make it a part of the continuity in some way. Space Ghost and Birdman have already existed for a while now, and if added we would have to find a way to explain just why is it that no one, in universe, has heard of them nor seen them.
...UNñess we go for the "Miracleman" treatment, with some shades from "The Twelve". I think it could work that way.
Any specific ideas or you just want to create more Tom and Jerry shorts? When we get to the direct to dvd movie phase of the franchise, I have a fun idea of Tom and Jerry in Star Wars where Jerry is a Rebel and Princess Leia's friend who protects the Death Star plans with Threepio and R2D2 while Tom is a Stormtrooper cat sent to capture Jerry and the plans and we basically get slapstick New Hope.
Make it like those movies where they meet different kinds of genres; Frankenstein, Dracula, the Godfather, etc. Put them into not only Star Wars, but like those movies where "X meets Y" and let the chaos flow from there.
We ahve many movies that we can use for that, and even many more in the public domain we could use to repalce the characters with Tom & Jerry and see how it goes.
Yeah, for the Wacky Races reboot I was hoping to have it be a globe-trotting adventure instead of just in America. Do you think we should add Dreamworks characters? Had half a mind to have Char be a racer for the laughs.
Perhaps for special episodes/Movies, as for Wacky Races I think we should keep it for Hannah-Barbera characters...at least for now. We can reconsider later on.
Would be even more funny if we find that out in an episode where he loses his Hong Kong Book of Kung Fu, and thus he has to do with only his instincts and skill...which are top notch and turns out the book is limiting him, but he has so much faith in said book that he never considers fighting without it.
Also some other ideas for Hanna-Barbera. First, we have them in charge of Star Wars kids content like Droids, here I'm thinking of maybe a Han Solo Adventures series of his time before Luke and Leia. Secondly, we have Hanna-Barbera produce Oversimplified once the Mythological Tale mess is done.
I like the Han Solo adventures, though they would be somewhat bleak to explain his character in "A New Hope".
We could combine Oversimplified with some other sketches, lik ethe ones done by Jack Rackham or Drawn of History. They're also good and fun, with a sarcastic tone that is just hillarious.
My thoughts went more to the idea that, if we went for them being added to the Marvel Universe, then we might not get Space Ghost: Coast to Coast, or Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law in the future and i loves those shows.
Also, whenever a new character joins Marvel, they always try to make it a part of the continuity in some way. Space Ghost and Birdman have already existed for a while now, and if added we would have to find a way to explain just why is it that no one, in universe, has heard of them nor seen them.
...UNñess we go for the "Miracleman" treatment, with some shades from "The Twelve". I think it could work that way.
Yeah I guess that makes sense unfortunately. I guess we keep the two universes separate but we can always have crossover events in the comics or tv and movies.
For Space Ghost at least you can explain him as being on the other side of the galaxy and just hasn't gone to Earth yet. Would be funny if we have Marvel characters guest star on the two adult swim shows. Kind of a shame Birdman has existed for a decade and has radically expansive lore cause he could be a cool parallel to Moon Knight.
But yeah, plan for now is a Hanna-Barbera verse and a Barbera Superhero verse I guess.
Well, I'm not really all for doing Droids exactly, I just want us to do a kids show sometime in the near future because Star Wars is still a family franchise and having something so serious and mature such as Andor be the only screen appearence of Star Wars for years after ROTJ can shrink the fandom a bit. Not that we can't do serious stuff, but just have the family shows air at the same time for genre balance.
At the very least, I want Hanna-Barbera to do a Young Jedi Knights show in the 90s.
For Space Ghost at least you can explain him as being on the other side of the galaxy and just hasn't gone to Earth yet. Would be funny if we have Marvel characters guest star on the two adult swim shows. Kind of a shame Birdman has existed for a decade and has radically expansive lore cause he could be a cool parallel to Moon Knight.
But yeah, plan for now is a Hanna-Barbera verse and a Barbera Superhero verse I guess.
Well, as I've mentioned, if we do the "Miracleman" treatment for Birdman then it could work.
As for Space Ghost, pehraps have him come from an area of the Universe which has yet to be explored, and he just so happens to bounce into either the Guardians of the Galaxy, the Nova Corps, or perhaps he is travelling and arrives at our galaxy, meeting any of the many menaces around.
Heck, I could see him meeting the Silver Surfer or Galactus at some point.
Well, I'm not really all for doing Droids exactly, I just want us to do a kids show sometime in the near future because Star Wars is still a family franchise and having something so serious and mature such as Andor be the only screen appearence of Star Wars for years after ROTJ can shrink the fandom a bit. Not that we can't do serious stuff, but just have the family shows air at the same time for genre balance.
At the very least, I want Hanna-Barbera to do a Young Jedi Knights show in the 90s.
Well, I also made a Pitch for The Mandalorian, and I'm thinking of perhaps making one for The Book of Boba Fett (which will not be similar to the current show). But perhaps we could have a TV Animated show about a group of smugglers who have to make ends meet and get into whacky adventures during their travels.
A relativelt risque and crass comedy show like the Simpsons? The savage equal opportunity offender up to eleven comedy of South Park? Something artsy and thought-provoking like Love Death and robots? Something relatively tame but with well-written characters like Bob's Burger? A Greek Tragedy in animation form like Arcane?
A somwhat risque and crass comedy show like the Simpsons? The savage equal opportunity offender up to eleven comedy of South Park? Something artsy and thought-provoking like Love Death and robots? Something relatively tame but with well-written characters like Bob's Burger? A Greek Tragedy in animation form like Arcane?
