TBF, Mags, you have been doing a lot of the heavylifting for the quest, so this will be in good hands.
To be clear to everyone, this is just me burning out on imagination of the quest, since my muse has been hitting me over the head a lot with so many different ideas that I just can't find myself too interested in this.
I'll still hang out here, though, since this still does have a sepcial place in my heart.
I'd like to thank you all for making this a wonderful experience while it lasted.
I'd also like to thank @Magoose, @Fluffy_serpent, and @Martin Noctis for doing so much to help prepare and write this quest. I couldn't have done it without you all.
I just feel that its the most perfect trilogy ever made in the MCU, and among my favorite movies as well. Though I'm not against hearing other options.
I just feel that its the most perfect trilogy ever made in the MCU, and among my favorite movies as well. Though I'm not against hearing other options.
Not my opinion, but I will say that some would argue that Captain America also had a perfect trilogy, though others would argue that Civil War wasn't a Captain America movie.
Not my opinion, but I will say that some would argue that Captain America also had a perfect trilogy, though others would argue that Civil War wasn't a Captain America movie.
Not my opinion, but I will say that some would argue that Captain America also had a perfect trilogy, though others would argue that Civil War wasn't a Captain America movie.
It was an Avengers movie disguised as a Captain America movie. I think we could work with it, if we properly develope one of the phases to lead to Civil War.
In the vast landscape of the internet, where virtual worlds and real-life stories intertwine, there was a streamer known as HistoryEnthusiast91. With a deep passion for historical strategy games, HistoryEnthusiast91 had built a loyal following, sharing their knowledge and experiences with viewers from around the globe. One day, HistoryEnthusiast91 decided to embark on a unique playthrough in the highly anticipated game, Victoria 3. They wanted to create a narrative that would resonate with their audience, while exploring lesser-known historical figures and events. After hours of research and contemplation, HistoryEnthusiast91 stumbled upon a captivating individual named Xavier Oscar Antonio Rafael de Vilanova Oliveira. Oscar Oliveira was a Brazilian abolitionist who, against all odds, found himself entangled in the tumultuous events of the American Civil War.
Intrigued by his remarkable story, HistoryEnthusiast91 knew they had found the perfect protagonist for their playthrough, even though in his timeline the man had faded into obscurity following the start of the American Civil War. They meticulously planned the narrative, aiming to bring Oscar's struggles, ideals, and heroic deeds to life, determined to not let it be the case in this one...
HE91: Hey there, everyone! Welcome back to another exciting stream on HistoryEnthusiast91. Today, we have something truly special in store for you. We'll be diving into the world of Victoria 3 and exploring the incredible life of Oscar Antonio Rafael de Vilanova Oliveira, a Brazilian abolitionist who served in the American Civil War. Buckle up, because this is going to be an epic journey!
Chat User 1: Wow, I've never heard of Oscar Oliveira before. This sounds fascinating!
Chat User 2: Yeah, I'm really excited to learn about this lesser-known historical figure. Props to you, HistoryEnthusiast91, for bringing such stories to light.
HE91: Thanks, guys! I'm thrilled that you're as excited as I am. Let's jump right into the game and start our journey as Oscar Oliveira. We begin in 1861, the year the American Civil War broke out. Oscar, a passionate abolitionist, has volunteered to fight alongside the Union forces. Let's see how his story unfolds!
(Chat reacts with emojis and messages of anticipation)
As the stream began, HistoryEnthusiast91 stated he would be running the game unto 1861 roughly congruent with the original timeline, after which they would assumed the role of Oscar Oliveira, immersing themselves into the world of Victoria 3 and butterflying the timeline into a shattered realm. They meticulously recreated Oscar's background, ensuring that his Brazilian heritage and abolitionist convictions were accurately represented. The playthrough began in the year Jan. 1, 1836, much of it was slow going due to the micromanaging of all the political factions and industrial until the game really began in 1861, when they assumed much of the personality of Oscar Oliveira, a man of strong principles and a staunch opponent of slavery, had volunteered to fight alongside the Union forces. The stream showcased Oscar's journey, from his humble origins in Brazil to the battlefields of America.
HistoryEnthusiast91 skillfully navigated the game's mechanics, making strategic decisions that deviated from the historical context of the time, with the first big change being the choosing to accept the creation of the "Union Foreign Legion", choosing to staff it with a little known Prussian Officer [himself having been a fairly unknown actor in the timeline]. They fought alongside Union soldiers, engaging in pivotal battles, and witnessing the horrors of war firsthand. Oscar's bravery and unwavering commitment to justice inspired viewers as they watched the stream unfold.
But Oscar's contribution extended beyond the battlefield. HistoryEnthusiast91 emphasized his efforts as an abolitionist, using the game's diplomacy and political systems to rally support for the cause. Oscar advocated for the emancipation of slaves, tirelessly working to influence policy and change public opinion, soon managing immense support from the American General Public for the passing of Total Emancipation and Multicultural Citizenship laws, which further incised the successionist states, who managed (by quite a slim margin) gain allies in Great Britain and Mexico. As the war progressed, and with each passing stream, the audience grew more invested in Oscar's journey. They marveled at his courage, his unwavering determination, and his ability to make a difference in a world torn apart by conflict.
HE91: Now we're in the United States. Oscar has joined the Union forces and is ready to make a difference. As we progress, we'll see him in key battles, witnessing the harsh realities of war. But remember, his fight extends beyond the battlefield. Oscar is a passionate abolitionist, and we'll explore how he uses diplomacy and politics to advocate for the emancipation of slaves.
(Chat users speculate on the challenges Oscar might face and discuss the importance of his cause)
HE91: We're making progress, my friends! Oscar's bravery and determination are truly inspiring. His efforts in influencing policy and changing public opinion are crucial to our cause. Let's see how we can rally support for abolition and make a lasting impact.
(Chat users share their thoughts on Oscar's accomplishments and the importance of raising awareness about historical figures like him)
The chat buzzed with discussions about history, social justice, and the impact of individuals in shaping the course of events. As HistoryEnthusiast91 struggled with the more, micromanagerial mechanics, they were able to offset the cost of the war...and just in time too, as Great Britain was called to war in the distant Dominions of Australia, Ireland, India, Scotland and Wales, partly initiated at Prussia's behest. From this, the United States was able to acquire the both of these territories in Canada and Mexico, greatly expanding the size of the nation and utterly engulfing the Confederates on all sides.
[Elsewhere, Britain was greatly reduced in size as, not only had suffered the losses of Canada and the Caribbean to the United States and Oceania to the Austrian Empire, but was forced to grant Scotland, Wales and Ireland status of Grand Duchies, not to mention large portions of India.]
As Oscar's story reached its climax, HistoryEnthusiast91 skillfully guided their character through the final stages of the war. Oscar's efforts were instrumental in securing victory for the Union, and his role as a symbol of hope and progress resonated deeply with viewers. When the playthrough came to an end, the chat exploded with heartfelt messages of gratitude and admiration. HistoryEnthusiast91 had successfully crafted a narrative that transported viewers through time, shedding light on a remarkable historical figure and the struggles of the American Civil War. But perhaps the most significant outcome of the stream was the newfound appreciation for Oscar Oliveira's story. Viewers were inspired to delve deeper into history, to learn about forgotten heroes like Oscar and the impact they had on shaping the world we live in today.
HistoryEnthusiast91's playthrough had not only entertained but also educated, bridging the gap between virtual gaming and real-world knowledge. Oscar's legacy had been honored, and his story had touched the hearts of many. And so, as the streamer signed off, they felt a sense of fulfillment. They had not only played a game but also sparked a flame of curiosity and appreciation for history, reminding their audience that the stories of forgotten heroes deserve to be told—both within the virtual realms of gaming and beyond.
HE91: We're approaching the climax of Oscar's story. The final stages of the war are upon us, and Oscar's role is becoming more pivotal than ever. Will his efforts help secure victory for the Union? Let's find out together!
(Chat users express their excitement and anticipation for the upcoming battles)
HE91: What a journey it has been! Oscar's unwavering commitment has paid off. Victory is ours, my friends! Oscar's legacy as a symbol of hope and progress will forever be remembered. I want to thank each and every one of you for joining me on this incredible adventure.
(Chat users flood the chat with messages of gratitude and admiration)
HE91: Your support means the world to me, and I'm thrilled that we could shed light on Oscar Oliveira's remarkable story. Remember, history is full of unsung heroes, and it's our duty to honor them. Let's continue exploring and celebrating these incredible individuals together. Until next time!
(Chat users say their goodbyes, expressing their gratitude and excitement for future streams)
[Much later, roughly a fortyear to the day, HistoryEnthusiast91 went on to continue the playthrough, which resulted in the United States netting itself an additional four Great Uprisings in the form of the Indian Wars (the Indian Territories refusing to be annexed following a discovery that they openly practiced slavery), the Franco-Canadian Uprising (which itself resulted in the release of Canada as a dominion of the United States, to lesser the bureaucratic burden), the Liquor Uprising (where the South revolted over a greater tax on liquor, and saw the overturn of the region's culture to majority Afro-Caribbean) and the Hidalgo Uprising (this saw a rapid expansion of US territories to include much of Central America, due to their allies in Greater Costa Rica): these last two wars were overseen by President Joshua Norton, elected on behalf of the Whig Party.]
"Joey O'Brian! Are you done with that game? We came out all this way to see you!" cried Carrie O'Brian from the bottom of the stairs, hands on her hips, a playful smile tugging at the corners.
"Yeah, you heard the old lady, see you later my grand HRE. Coming down now Mom! Thanks for waiting!" Cried a voice from the top of the stairs. A/N: From the other Quest, but since it involved baby Joseph O'Brian, I thought I'd put it here too. Mostly deicided it'd be him, since I thought that was funnier than it being some random citizen and it makes sense that the creator of D&D's kid would be involved in these spaces.
Was a fun game, but the mechanics for V3 are infuriating, give me CK3 any day. As for why the rest of the map looks like that, here's my best guess:
- The Prussian-Dane War resulted in the greatest expansion of Prussian Lands (netting them Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Iceland and Greenland) at the cost of their core holdings, weakening the Hohenzollern's position in the HRE immensely due to the loss of their mainland.
- Following a Russian invasion into the HRE that resulted in the loss of the majority of Prussian lands (the war initiated while its troops were otherwise occupied in the Prussian-Dane War), the Polish Uprising was supported by the Austrian Empire and the United States that managed to acquire much and more of the Commonwealth's old lands back (due to this, Prussia was prevented from reacquiring Prussia and Poland entirely); I think Armenia was also released during this time, with the backing of Austria, likely as a borderstate.
- With the Hapsburgs in the south having gained immense wealth due to their expansion into Southeast Asia and Oceania, they were able to position themselves into being the premier German Dynasty and, over the course of the next fifteen years, subsumed the other German states, lesser and greater, into their holdings; as a consequence of the Ottoman Invasion and the Polish Uprising, and fearing a similar one occurring within their borders, they released many of their non-German vassals as autonomous dominions, with similar plans for Southeast Asia and Oceania likely also in play.
- Following an Ottoman Invasion into Greece that was swiftly counterinvaded with the aid of the Austrians, this saw the expansion of Greece to include Anatolia, Bulgaria, Macedonia and Thrace, and propped up as a puppet borderstate made into a protectorate of the Austrian Empire. It wouldn't be long until it had successfully built itself into a Modern Industrial State (with the aid of the Austrians), at which point it quite rapidly expanded under the leadership of the last remaining, self-proclaimed, Rhōmain Leader to include all, and more, the lands of Alexander's Empire to be remade into the Orthodox Homeland.
- Joseon...frankly, and I'm disappointed at myself for this, I have no idea how that happened. Best I can figure is that Russia fucked around and found out, which, frankly, is how found out about the opportunity for Alaska, which was likely sold off for war funds.
Oh, and Kongo and Zulu were never involved with Britain, best I can tell, one just has a too similar map color and the other I think was a response to the rapid colonization of the region.
I'm all for it, but if we make the Spider-Man animated series of the 90s, then we better make it by following the comics instead of the whole changes they made to the entire canon. I'm not saying it has to be a complete recreation panel by panel, but perhaps don't invent an entire new mythos out of it as well.
What do you mean by whole changes? To me it seemed pretty faithful and didn't diverge any more than a usual adaptation besides perhaps the Mary Jane water clone. 90s Spider-Man was pretty important for how groundbreaking it was in storytelling with it being the first Venom adaptation, first showing of the Spider-verse, and doing a Secret Wars adaptation.
I'm all for having the Guardians in Phase 1 and have more prominence, but I think they're the wrong choice to have for a first movie, which should be about a flagship character. The first film should be Spider-Man, Iron Man or Captain America.
What do you mean by whole changes? To me it seemed pretty faithful and didn't diverge any more than a usual adaptation besides perhaps the Mary Jane water clone. 90s Spider-Man was pretty important for how groundbreaking it was in storytelling with it being the first Venom adaptation, first showing of the Spider-verse, and doing a Secret Wars adaptation.
I'm not denying how groundbreaking it was in storytelling, I can even say that it was one of the first cartoons I ever saw that actually followed continuity, and tackled issues not seen in previous one. I loved watching the show, but I'm not going to deny that it took liberties when adapting Kraven's storyline, as well as Felicia's background and origin of her powers, Peter's relationship with MJ, etc. Now these may seem like nitpicks to some, but I feel that it did make it so that the Spider-Man we saw in the show was clearly not the Spider-man from the comics.
Like I said, it's not bad, I even liked it and could accept it as it is (one of the best things it did was add different Marvel characters to make cameos and appearances after all) but I also want to try and bring the stories from the comics that did not seem to make the cut.
I'm all for having the Guardians in Phase 1 and have more prominence, but I think they're the wrong choice to have for a first movie, which should be about a flagship character. The first film should be Spider-Man, Iron Man or Captain America.
Well, most of the players seem to think so. Alright then, I'll go with Captain America as our first film then. Guardians can wait until later, so long as we agree to make the first movie arund the late 90s, beginnign of the 2000s.
Now these may seem like nitpicks to some, but I feel that it did make it so that the Spider-Man we saw in the show was clearly not the Spider-man from the comics.
If I remember right, one of the big changes (made for political reasons) was that Spider-Man never even threw a punch at one of his enemies.
There was also that the bulk of Felicia's character personality was sourced directly from Gwen Stacy, except when she went out as Black Cat...though I did like the direction they went with her powers, since it was really unique.
Well, most of the players seem to think so. Alright then, I'll go with Captain America as our first film then. Guardians can wait until later, so long as we agree to make the first movie arund the late 90s, beginnign of the 2000s.
Captain America would be a very strong choice to start the MCU with. Not only is it a flagship character, but it also makes more sense chronologically. On top of that, if we play Captain America ourselves, I think that would be a very strong choice. We absolutely have the physicality and looks for it, but also our status as America's golden boy as well as our extremely strong support from veterans would lend a lot of power to the film to kick off the universe. Especially if we release it on Veterans Day or an equivalent holiday.
Captain America would be a very strong choice to start the MCU with. Not only is it a flagship character, but it also makes more sense chronologically. On top of that, if we play Captain America ourselves, I think that would be a very strong choice. We absolutely have the physicality and looks for it, but also our status as America's golden boy as well as our extremely strong support from veterans would lend a lot of power to the film to kick off the universe. Especially if we release it on Veterans Day or an equivalent holiday.
I actually want Bruce to play something a bit out of his usual type of role. I want him to play a full-fledged villain, something like Doctor Doom, young Magneto, etc.
I'd rather someone else have that role, with us taking the place of Bucky.
One is because of the hair, second being that, at this point, I don't think we can conceivably be seen as the underdog, which Steve Rogers is supposed to start off as, and third, can you imagine how, after being killed off in the previous movie, we come back as the Winter Soldier and send absolute chills down the audience's spine as the villain?
I actually want Bruce to play something a bit out of his usual type of role. I want him to play a full-fledged villain, something like Doctor Doom, young Magneto, etc.
I think those are also strong choices, and I certainly wouldn't be against them, but I think I personally prefer Bruce playing Captain America and that's what I'll be supporting. As an alternative choice for Doctor Doom, might I recommend Alan Rickman?
I'd rather someone else have that role, with us taking the place of Bucky.
One is because of the hair, second being that, at this point, I don't think we can conceivably be seen as the underdog, which Steve Rogers is supposed to start off as, and third, can you imagine how, after being killed off in the previous movie, we come back as the Winter Soldier and send absolute chills down the audience's spine as the villain?
Hair dye exists.
Neither was Chris Evans, they just used CGI, camera angles, and large clothes to make him look smaller which can work just fine for Bruce.
Honestly, that doesn't really sound all that compelling to me, but that's literally just how I feel about it and isn't any actual argument against it. I just would prefer playing Captain America over Bucky. Not trying to knock your idea.
If I remember right, one of the big changes (made for political reasons) was that Spider-Man never even threw a punch at one of his enemies.
There was also that the bulk of Felicia's character personality was sourced directly from Gwen Stacy, except when she went out as Black Cat...though I did like the direction they went with her powers, since it was really unique.
I actually want Bruce to play something a bit out of his usual type of role. I want him to play a full-fledged villain, something like Doctor Doom, young Magneto, etc.
I'd rather have Christoph Waltz, and have him be outright glorious.
It also fits with my headcanon that for an elseworld's Latveria is/was Prussia (partly because that name sounds way more Baltic than Balkan even though I recognize 616 writers plopped it down in the Balkans), and that part of the reason that the rest of the world leaves him alone, and I have to emphasize this, at the start is due to the fact he seized Soviet nukes that were in that region [Kaliningrad].
The show had it so that her father, when he was a child, was tricked by Nazies into sneaking into Erskine's lab and memorized the formula for the Super Soldier Serum before it was lost. He kept the secret when realized he's been deceived, and went on the run. Then he was released and catured by the Kingpin, who threatened him using Felicia's life into recreating the Serum. He did, and gave it to Felicia.
I don't know man, I think Christian Bale would fit better in my opinion. He just seems to have this air about him that shows a controlled man holding back an explosive temper, just like Doom.
Her dad, a Polish(?) streetkid with photographic memory saw the whole formula and, eventually, was put under SHIELD protection to prevent that knowledge from getting into the wrong hands...it got into the wrong hands and resulted in the release of Captain America and Red Skull from their eternal combat outside the timestream briefly.
I know this may seem depressing but if Bruce were to die suddenly how many people will go attend the funeral and how will nation affected by his actions like romania and japan react to his death, will Reagan take some of his time to attend the funeral? How will the vietnamese and cuban Exiles react?
I don't know man, I think Christian Bale would fit better in my opinion. He just seems to have this air about him that shows a controlled man holding back an explosive temper, just like Doom.
But can he pull of Doom's ham? Because Doom is inherently a pretty hammy character afterall, and I'm assuming we want the franchise off the ground by...what, the mid '90s? Bale's only six years old rn, and won't be available to play him as a Doom-esque character for awhile.
But can he pull of Doom's ham? Because Doom is inherently a pretty hammy character afterall, and I'm assuming we want the franchise off the ground by...what, the mid '90s? Bale's only six years old rn.
Doom was always been described as a handsome man (sans that dumb shit with the mask), and so what if he's young?
He's 23 [24 in Oct. 1980], which fits a younger Reed Richards and co., but if we wait say five years he'll have mostly aged into that role.
Late 90s, early 2000s would be my preferred time to begin the MCU. At the same time, Fantastic Four would begin in Phase 2 if I had my say, but I digress.
Yeah, bale can's bring in Doom's ham, though perhaps we don't give him enough credit. Though, what do you think of Ralph Fiennes or Jeremy Irons? They seem like good enough actors to push as we want.
I was going to give my reasoning, but honestly, I'm kind of tired right now and I've had a pretty stressful day and my brain is starting to slow down now, so I'm just going jump straight to my points without necessarily substantiating them. I think Doctor Doom and Reed Richards should generally be cast at comparable ages. I think Doctor Doom and Reed Richards should generally be portrayed to begin with as somewhere in their 30s. Christopher Waltz doesn't really have the looks I think would work with Doctor Doom, which admittedly is not the most relevant considering he'd likely be masked to varying degrees of time depending on whatever we decide, but he still just doesn't have the vibes or looks that I'd associate with Doom. I'd prefer Alan Rickman as Doom.
