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Ok, then how about the fact that it's pointless? It's just sealing him in an inanimate container, only the container will soon decompose.
Well, the idea would be to bring the baby corpse back to life.
"Hello, Mr and Mrs Grieving Parents? you wouldn't happen to mind if we took the corpse of your recently deceased child so we can stuff a world devouring monster inside of it?"
Just find one with a singleparent who also died, or a recently deceased orphanage baby.

We've got a whole world full of options.
 
Could we split him into good and evil versions then seal the evil version in a ajr while the good version lives on top of a tower to grant wishes?
 
People keep point to manipulation as being their reason for disliking the "seal him in ourself" option. Can we get WOG on this?
 
So wait, the power of the seal remains all throughout its life right? So when we die is there any chance that he would be transferred to another Saiyan?
If you die, his storage option reverts to, "inanimate container." Which could indeed allow him to be transferred, as long as the people doing the transfer had access to a power source on par with you.
Seriously though, would a dead baby work? Y/N.

With how much Ki we're floating in, and with ki healing, we might even be able to bring the body back to life.

Alternatively, use percision and ridiculous amounts of ki to craft a new humanoid body fresh, then seal him into that.
It would be a particularly macabre use of the, "inanimate object," option. You have no idea how to make an entirely new body, and neither do the sorcerers.
Is there a method to... not really tether or leash him, so much as make it so we always have an awareness of where he is? I'm not sure if it would provide benefits our sensing wouldn't already primarily, because we can keep him from escaping just by teleporting to him if he ever tries.
Ki sense still works. You can't think of something that would work better.
Could we split him into good and evil versions then seal the evil version in a ajr while the good version lives on top of a tower to grant wishes?
No.
People keep point to manipulation as being their reason for disliking the "seal him in ourself" option. Can we get WOG on this?
What?
 
Well, the idea would be to bring the baby corpse back to life.
Right. So step one in your plan is to do something that is, essentially impossible. And then once you have miraculously raised this baby from the dead, you want to stick an evil dragon in it's mind for the rest of it's life.

So, I'm fine with us having the dragon in our heads because Kakara has had a lifetime of training, is monstrously strong, and has a rock solid moral center to allow us to resist anything the Dragon tries to pull. This baby will have none of that. You want to expose a newly formed mind to a being of evil and have it grow up with it telling it things and warping it.
 
So, I'm fine with us having the dragon in our heads because Kakara has had a lifetime of training, is monstrously strong, and has a rock solid moral center to allow us to resist anything the Dragon tries to pull. This baby will have none of that. You want to expose a newly formed mind to a being of evil and have it grow up with it telling it things and warping it.
I'm pretty sure he wants Mr Grumpy Scales to effectively be the new soul and animating force for the dead baby, presumably so he has to grow up as a human.
 
I would prefer that we didn't seal it into us because even a perfect seal could be damaged/interfered with from the outside, deliberately or otherwise, and if that happens we're still the only one who can put him down. Nevertheless @Gore17 I apparently have to go buy a hat to eat.

Right. So step one in your plan is to do something that is, essentially impossible. And then once you have miraculously raised this baby from the dead, you want to stick an evil dragon in it's mind for the rest of it's life.

So, I'm fine with us having the dragon in our heads because Kakara has had a lifetime of training, is monstrously strong, and has a rock solid moral center to allow us to resist anything the Dragon tries to pull. This baby will have none of that. You want to expose a newly formed mind to a being of evil and have it grow up with it telling it things and warping it.
You're missing the point. He's suggesting a dead baby as a way to give him a human body which currently lacks an occupant, so that he can be alone in his head. It's a bit squicky, but not morally wrong in any way.
 
Dandeer what are you doing? This is probably the single most important thing that has happened in Exile Society pretty much ever and you skipped out on the aftermath by flying home in a huff, jealous of a 12 year old girl.

She's already losing allies in Clan Vegeta and the Church. Now even the Sorcerers will doubt her leadership.
 
What are the risks if he get's sealed inside her head and she does the out of body thing?
As you understand it, the seal would be on your body, not your mind.
One of the prevalent reasons given for not voting for the head seal option is that he might find some way to fuck with our head since we are selling a powerful telepath/ telekinetic in our mind .
His abilities would not be an issue unless the seal is damaged. Given that it is where it is, damage would either involve fatal injuries or direct, outside tampering. He would have no way through.
 
I just realised, we have confirmation the sorcerers can improve their spells with a large ki donation, and we can call up hundreds of billions of ki with just the Saiyans donating.

We can do another Spirit Bomb and improve the Hall wards! Which means we can endurance train in Golden Oozaru at full power! We might be able to make the SSJ2 transformation safe to unlock!

...Well for that last one, we'd probably have to unlock each of the others first while we watched in Spirit Saiyan form to prevent rampages, and then only go ourselves with 3 SSJ2s watching in case we rampage. But still!
 
Dandeer what are you doing? This is probably the single most important thing that has happened in Exile Society pretty much ever and you skipped out on the aftermath by flying home in a huff, jealous of a 12 year old girl.

She's already losing allies in Clan Vegeta and the Church. Now even the Sorcerers will doubt her leadership.
Good.
 
I just realised, we have confirmation the sorcerers can improve their spells with a large ki donation, and we can call up hundreds of billions of ki with just the Saiyans donating.

We can do another Spirit Bomb and improve the Hall wards! Which means we can endurance train in Golden Oozaru at full power! We might be able to make the SSJ2 transformation safe to unlock!

...Well for that last one, we'd probably have to unlock each of the others first while we watched in Spirit Saiyan form to prevent rampages, and then only go ourselves with 3 SSJ2s watching in case we rampage. But still!
The issue with making better wards continues to be structural rather than powerful.
 
So what I'm getting is the Sorcery involved seems to be conceptual in nature, with the concept of 'Sealing' only broken by raw power. Given that this particular Seal will have our OP Spirit Saiyin PL backing it, it'd be pretty much impossible for him to break him out without access to Super level abilities.

With this, I'm not particularly worried about the risks of Sealing him inside us. There's technically an argument to be made that he might manipulate us, but as we've seen in this update he kinda sucks at that and would be completely at our mercy. Given an year or two, I'm sure we could mold him into whatever we want.

I'm more worried about the social and political aspects of this Seal, then anything else. @PoptartProdigy what does Kakara think the general opinion of the saiyin people and important individuals like Jaffur, mom, dad, our Grandmother and Jaffur's grandmother be to this?
 
Chibi Dazarel is my preferred option here, as it provides us plenty of time to talk to him for us to Diplomance him. Also provides for the options for him to interact with others directly, I really want the scene where we introduce him to the Misfits and Gemina pulls out a notebook and starts quizzing him on how being a Dragon works.
This also allows the possibility he might do something like infuse Jenny or Maya or maybe even little Bro Mato with dragon blood to still do the Kaiser transformation stuff people keep talking about, I am actually interested in seeing that just not for Kakara herself
 
I uh.

What if Kakara, say, decides to go kiss somebody?
Do we really want him running a commentary on, say, her dating people? Or being present in any way, shape or form?
THIS. Running commentary on everything we do, plus at least some remote chance of the seal being bypassed somehow even if it's unlikely in the extreme. UGH.

I'm... actually not as opposed to sealing him in a giant dragon body without super powers. Though it does raise questions such as logistics and all that.
Instant total Masquerade breach. Dazarel will resent us and still be able to fly around and talk to people, e.g. the alien army, e.g. the Enemy if he flies off into space looking for him.
 
With the headseal we get complete control over the seal. That said, once he's less of a dick we could offer him the use of a multiform for interactions.
 
Ah - I don't think we actually knew that, but that's a shame.
You did. It's come up a few times. The spell structures running the Hall wards simply can't support a higher load than they presently do. They can be temporarily reinforced for a boost, but that itself is dangerous. It's like a machine hitting its tolerances.

"Give me more!"

"The machine can't do more, sir!"

"Give it more power!"

And then the wires caught fire.
So what I'm getting is the Sorcery involved seems to be conceptual in nature, with the concept of 'Sealing' only broken by raw power. Given that this particular Seal will have our OP Spirit Saiyin PL backing it, it'd be pretty much impossible for him to break him out without access to Super level abilities.

With this, I'm not particularly worried about the risks of Sealing him inside us. There's technically an argument to be made that he might manipulate us, but as we've seen in this update he kinda sucks at that and would be completely at our mercy. Given an year or two, I'm sure we could mold him into whatever we want.

I'm more worried about the social and political aspects of this Seal, then anything else. @PoptartProdigy what does Kakara think the general opinion of the saiyin people and important individuals like Jaffur, mom, dad, our Grandmother and Jaffur's grandmother be to this?
That is extremely difficult to predict. Your family will worry. You don't know Jaffur's grandmother, but Yammar's likely reaction is a mystery to you. Jaffur himself...good question. You don't actually, when it comes down to it, know him that well.

As for broader society...that's going to be an open question. In general, reinventing the Genki Dama will give you approximately all of the political capital, so you're at least confident that it won't be too negative.
THIS. Running commentary on everything we do, plus at least some remote chance of the seal being bypassed somehow even if it's unlikely in the extreme. UGH.
If that is your objection, I remind you that the seal would be under your control, and you'd be able to shut him out if you desire.
 
[X] Seal him in your own head. You will be his prison and his warden, and see what benefits you can gain from having a dragon chained in your body (x1.25, from, "ambitious." Middling harshness, Dazarel is as restricted as the inanimate object version but has you on hand for conversation and interesting experiences, renders him completely harmless, may or may not allow Kakara to exploit him for power).
 
So what I'm getting is the Sorcery involved seems to be conceptual in nature, with the concept of 'Sealing' only broken by raw power. Given that this particular Seal will have our OP Spirit Saiyin PL backing it, it'd be pretty much impossible for him to break him out without access to Super level abilities.

With this, I'm not particularly worried about the risks of Sealing him inside us. There's technically an argument to be made that he might manipulate us, but as we've seen in this update he kinda sucks at that and would be completely at our mercy. Given an year or two, I'm sure we could mold him into whatever we want.

I'm more worried about the social and political aspects of this Seal, then anything else. @PoptartProdigy what does Kakara think the general opinion of the saiyin people and important individuals like Jaffur, mom, dad, our Grandmother and Jaffur's grandmother be to this?
Yeah, those are significantly more important than the slim chance of an outside force breaking it at this point. Our political clout is going to be unrivalled, but try to change cultural views on violence and killing is still going to be really hard.

Honestly, I quite like the idea of chibi-Dazarel. DBZ has a long history of reformed villains helping fight new foes, which would be harder to do if he's stuck in our head. I'll probably vote for that.

You did. It's come up a few times. The spell structures running the Hall wards simply can't support a higher load than they presently do. They can be temporarily reinforced for a boost, but that itself is dangerous. It's like a machine hitting its tolerances.

"Give me more!"

"The machine can't do more, sir!"

"Give it more power!"

And then the wires caught fire.
Ah sorry, must have been unthreadmarked where I didn't read. I suppose at that point the only way to go is to just do something entirely different, like a pocket dimension. We should really ask the Sorcerers if they've had any pie-in-the-sky ritual ideas they never had the power to try before.

Also now that the crisis is a bit less crisis-y, we should really send some people to go give the other Seers medical attention. in fact @PoptartProdigy, can we just do that regardless of vote? I'd hate for some poor Seer to have passed out after biting off their own tongue, when we could easily send medical aid.

[X] Seal him in your own head. You will be his prison and his warden, and see what benefits you can gain from having a dragon chained in your body (x1.25, from, "ambitious." Middling harshness, Dazarel is as restricted as the inanimate object version but has you on hand for conversation and interesting experiences, renders him completely harmless, may or may not allow Kakara to exploit him for power).
There's a moratorium - it's over soon, but not quite yet.
 
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