- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
I'm thinking Raditz, actually. Weak as he was in the grand scheme of things, he was completely, hilariously better, and a total unknown from being a foreigner.
Dragon Ball: After the End
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Depends on why it was lost, and how it was first discovered. Something like ki, with traditions stretching back (as far as you can tell) millennia, is fairly kosher. Although there may be...whitewashing...of certain of your specific techniques.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
My bet'd be on something obscure from Dragonball. I suspect that the Exiles actually know a surprisingly lot of those stories, since Goku's "when I was a little boy" ramblings would include it and since Tienshinhan (who lived up to the fall of Earth) was there for a big chunk of it.
On the other hand, they'd be comically distorted (from what was already a pretty damn comical sequence of events, in many cases), so it would be easy to weave a 'sanitized' narrative around the core 'facts' of what they think took place.
Raditz might also be a good choice. He can be re-pitched as "lost brother from another continent?"
On the other hand, they'd be comically distorted (from what was already a pretty damn comical sequence of events, in many cases), so it would be easy to weave a 'sanitized' narrative around the core 'facts' of what they think took place.
Raditz might also be a good choice. He can be re-pitched as "lost brother from another continent?"
- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
Raditz is also a story with a decent amount of weaker combatant mattering-ness. A lot of the others, it's more the story of Get Good Enough. Raditz, they beat him at a big disadvantage, with tactics, sacrifice, and numbers, not by getting A Big Enough Power Up.
- Location
- USA
But how do we explain Goku coming back to life? Or the tail detail?
I still like that one though.
- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
We don't have to explain Goku coming back to life. That doesn't have to occur in the scope of the story. Or we say he was merely gravely wounded and ki-healing lol.
As to the tail, 'they used a special hold, now lost to the ages'.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
You know, that's actually a damn good point.
I mean, the story of how Frieza or even his troops were defeated doesn't really make a lot of sense if you don't know about, or deliberately exclude from the narrative, infohazard details like the zenkai and super-saiyan power. The defeat of Nappa and Vegeta is basically a story of Earth's greatest fighters going 'splat' like bugs on a windshield until Goku shows up with enough power-ups to crush the guy who was smacking them around and go toe-to-toe with Vegeta. And so on.
We don't. We tell a "sanitized" version of the story. As Terrabrand points out, we may never end up telling the story of Goku (whom we'd creatively rename) reviving, or we can say he was grievously wounded, likewise. The tail grip explanation works too, or you could just, y'know, leave that out of the blow-by-blow account of the fight or replace it with some other incapacitating hold as noted.
So Raditz (also creatively renamed to avoid infohazard) is Totally-Not-Goku's long lost brother from across the sea, who turns up one day to steal the magical MacGuffin we just made up, et cetera, et cetera.
- Location
- USA
Ah yes. The great and mighty Full Nelson whose loss is still felt today
The Fourth Monado
S U B A R A S H I I
- Location
- Away
No
see
he shows up for the same reason as in canon - to get his brother to rejoin him in conquest, and he takes his son as hostage
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Well no, we keep that in. Presumably the idea others had was that by "the tail thing" you meant the part where Raditz could be incapacitated by grabbing his tail.
Hm, okay, you're right, keep that. The important part is that he's a powerful warlord from across the sea, and that Totally-Not-Goku was stranded in infancy in a shipwreck and has already had many adventures, I guess.
If I had more time to play with and had actually watched anything more than the DBZA version of that story in many years, I might actually try writing this up...
MAYBE tomorrow. Maybe.
- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
Yeah. A lot of the other stories we could tell sorta send the message to our friends 'you get to be cannon fodder that hold the line till Jaron or Maya show up to bail you out' type of thing. This, this a story about how it's not all about power, how complacency leaving you weak brings about tragedy and yet skill and sense can prevail even when strictly weaker. As stories go, Raditz is the most solid I can think of for sending the messages we would want our friends to hear, and not unfortunate other messages.
- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
... No?
This is an accurate description of the event. Exactly the problems I was just talking about.
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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- Places
It fits, Vegeta and Nappa assumed they were the strongest and they lost.
I mean even Yajirobe was able to seriously mess Vegeta up.
[X][ASK] The Enemy doesn't count. A threat is something likely to cause damage or danger, the Enemy is guaranteed.
- Location
- Land of Confusion
Really? I'd've thought Raditz's invasion of Earth would be perfect for this.
- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
... 'guys, you can get seriously wrecked by powerful enemies while the real heroes stroll in to wreck them'. You don't see the potential poison message here?
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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- Places
Yeah because Goku did so well against Vegeta right?
It's not like Krillin, Gohan and a fat man with a sword played vital roles or anything.
We should tell the story of the strongest man on Earth. I refer, of course to Mr. Satan.
The Fourth Monado
S U B A R A S H I I
- Location
- Away
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
So then the ones that wanted to kill all the non Ki users in the world fought the Z fighters.
Raditz wanted Goku to kill all the humans. They should find the almost Genocide that happened in the past interesting.
Raditz wanted Goku to kill all the humans. They should find the almost Genocide that happened in the past interesting.
The Fourth Monado
S U B A R A S H I I
- Location
- Away
Yeah, Raditz will definitely work
Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
*Jaron, Gemma, Sophie, Maya and Jennifer will remember this*
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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- Places
I mean he was pretty damn strong, if he'd bothered to train with ki he could probably have dome really well.
- Location
- USA
Their problem is not being the strongest of our group of friends though. They need a story of the strongest heroes being hopelessly outmatched and only win through their cunning, or a macguffin. Both of which were common in DB, but when Z rolled around "bigger numbers" became the name of the game pretty quick. The Radiz fight was probably the best for this by far since not only does it have the incredibly strong villain that the greatest hero and villain together could barely overcome, but it also has this villain being followed shortly after by two far greater enemies.