fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Kakara doesn't need you to white knight for her.
Dragon Ball: After the End
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Regardless of whether or not it's acceptable in our society, PoptartProdigy is not writing our society.
The Fourth Monado
S U B A R A S H I I
- Location
- Away
[x] Yes.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
I'm not sure if you're saying "The author by virtue of being the author agrees with every character they write", but that, in the context of what's being discussed, is what I'm getting from this statement.
- Location
- Australia
Reread what I wrote. I'm ok with him writing about that kid asking for romance with Kakara as a reward for winning. What I'm not ok with is PoptartProdigy saying things seemingly with the assumption that the kid's actions are acceptable - or should be acceptable - by modern RL norms.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
I mean if it was someone asking for Jaffur I could understand where you were coming from. But Kakara is a master of social and mature for her age. We don't have to worry about this.
Sucal
The Devil’s Cut
- Location
- Bottom of the barrel
This isn't RL.
Its a traditional fairytale boon, given to the hero after they fulfill some epic quest, or the medieval boon granted for winning a major tournament/saving a Royals life.
The Fourth Monado
S U B A R A S H I I
- Location
- Away
And is Saiyan Society Modern IRL?
Katsuragi
The 1%
Yes. There's nothing inhereintly attached to rape culture about romance being a prize to be won.
@Stormwhite just got done having a discussion on this very subject, as well on how fiction and reality inhereintly intersect and can sum it up better than me if so inclined.
And
@ManusDomine as most of Stormwhite discussion came from them.
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- Location
- Australia
@Stormwhite can you come and talk about this? You're very knowledgeable about this kind of thing.
trob030490
Professor Kokonoe
- Pronouns
- she/her
Traditional in this case meaning archaic and creepy.
Like, it's literally making a romantic encounter with a girl a prize. It's using social obligation and the crowd to make a girl do something romantic she'd normally never do or want to do.
That's all kinds of creepy, and the kid shouldn't be rewarded for that kind of thing at all.
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- Location
- Europe
Maybe if you read the rest of my post, you'd see why I don't think it's an issue. He's apologetic and offers her a way out. He realizes he should've asked her. He's not perpetuating rape culture in a fictional universe or viewing Kakara as his "tournament prize" that he's entitled to.
Man, people are really taking this seriously. Rape culture? Really?!
How about you stop trying to intimidate the author into changing something because you find it problematic?
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
In fairness, it is this same in-story culture that led to Dandeer being mistreated by her husband.
trob030490
Professor Kokonoe
- Pronouns
- she/her
It's using a gigantic amount of social obligation to force something romantic out of a girl he doesn't even know.
What else would you call it?
- Location
- USA
It's one thing to have hang ups on this and campaign for the thread to vote against it, it's another to attack the work itself.
You kinda can though? At least in the sense that what you protray doesn't have to be what you believe.
Although in the sense that no man is an island (I think I'm only mostly miss using that
) I have to concede that you're right....
Jesus this thread is moving fast! Phone typing can't keep up
What the fuck!? You're calling a mod in to shut this down when we're being civil still!?
- Location
- Australia
As I just said in my last post, my problem isn't with what the author wrote into the story, but how OOC the author is seemingly saying that what the kid is doing is fine by modern RL standards.
I'm not calling her as a mod to shut this down, I'm calling her as someone who knows a lot about this subject to talk about it. Seriously, read what I've actually written.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
If you feel that he was out of line then vote Yes and we will beat him to a bloody pulp. Honestly, all the problems you are thinking of don't apply to Kakara.
- Location
- Europe
Warning For Marginal Behavior
I'd call it a kid being awkward and not knowing how to ask a girl he likes but is intimidated by out. He also immediately realizes his mistake and apologizes to Kakara for it. Was I the only one the read that part or what?
Right, so you're just being a moral busybody. A modern day christian soccer-mom. Got it.
Mother Nyx
Mother of Elpis
- Location
- The Kei Klub
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Bro, this shit is creepy af and you seem creepy af for enabling it so hard.
trob030490
Professor Kokonoe
- Pronouns
- she/her
He doesn't know her. He's never met her. And he's extremely out of line in a way just being awkward doesn't make okay.
If he realizes his mistake he should try to fix it by changing his request instead of putting all this on Kakara to fix his creepy mistake that forces her into an extremely uncomfortable position.
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Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
Dude, chill. He tried, but he's under just as much social pressure as she is at this point.
On which note:
[X] Write-in: No, however, Kakara offers instead to allow him to study with her.
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
I've literally never seen people overreact to basically nothing so much in my l- ok that's not completely true but jesus
[x] Yes.
[x] Yes.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
That makes it worse.
- Location
- USA
I really want to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but when the mod in question has never posted in the thread before, it's hard to see it as anything but you trying to shut down the other side.
I don't know all the mods so this might be something that happens for her, but calling in someone who is missing vital context to support your argument not something I see as normal.