Sucal
The Devil’s Cut
- Location
- Bottom of the barrel
Partially broken.
Ki is obvious, but not the Saiyan presence
It isn't an UnMasqued world yet.
Dragon Ball: After the End
Partially broken.
Ki is obvious, but not the Saiyan presence
It isn't an UnMasqued world yet.
Sucal
The Devil’s Cut
- Location
- Bottom of the barrel
As for Magic Club vs Drama Club, I'd suspect they would both work to increase Deciet.
However, I think they'd both be focusing on different types of Deciet.
Magic club would be more about sleight of hand and distractions, having focus on one hand while you beat them over the head with your other 'invisible' hand.
Drama club is more about acting and lying though, tricking through words and behaviors rather then sleight of hand.
However, I think they'd both be focusing on different types of Deciet.
Magic club would be more about sleight of hand and distractions, having focus on one hand while you beat them over the head with your other 'invisible' hand.
Drama club is more about acting and lying though, tricking through words and behaviors rather then sleight of hand.
fictionfan
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We don't have two different deciet skills. Also in that fight we lost we could have used magic club deciet.
Also Magic club gets us more then just deciet skill.
Sucal
The Devil’s Cut
- Location
- Bottom of the barrel
Think before you say somethin, please?
Just because there is only one Deciet skill doesn't mean the different aspects don't matter. As shown by Ki Senses recent potential upgrade and perfect Multiform, upgraded versions of skill specialise in their uses.
fictionfan
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So does the drama club?
Sucal was talking about Elite skills.
fictionfan
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Ok, name a few things that drama club gets that magic club does not.
I can't think of anything.
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- Australia
@PoptartProdigy, will the fact that drama club takes a full TWO actions give us a decent amount of returns insofar as levelling up Deceit goes relative to the actions we're putting into it?
fictionfan
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Same question for Magic club.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Let's cool down a bit, folks.
Nope.
Eventually, yes. It helps that you no longer have the issue of not being able to use ki while under Masque.
The Deceit skill does not divide down that finely. Clubs have multiple benefits; while both drama and magic would level Deceit, they would have separate benefits otherwise.
Two-action options by their nature have larger outputs than one-action options.
Ridiculously Average Guy
I'm you, but stronger
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We can send in a sorcerer to do a cleanup job, and wipe a couple of hours of memory?
fictionfan
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Well I have talked the benifts for Magic club besides deceit. Anyone want to tell me the benifts of drama club?
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Yeah, pretty much.
I disagree with most people who think this is an irretrievable break in the Masquerade.
It's BIG, and has a lot of potential to break it, but it IS recoverable.
I don't know if the recovery is going to happen, though.
Also, I'm starting to get the feeling that we should slack this year. I think I can get some support for that.
We're already the weirdo who wants all our friends to learn martial arts, now we're going to also be learning magic? Yeah, pretty sure that's social suicide.
Drama club, on the other hand, seems like a bigger, more popular thing on Garenhuld. With the long oral tradition and rich storytelling, it is a place where social reputations can be made (or broken). Kakara doesn't care about that (much) but she would probably prefer to not commit social suicide. Plus more of our friends are likely interested in Drama club.
Not Jaron, though. For some reason, he's oddly draw to Magic Club.
We're already in fight club. We just don't talk about it.
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fictionfan
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Thank you for stating your view.
I think you underestimate our communication skills. If we join Magic club then Magic club will become popular.
However you have not said the benifts of Drama club. Or at least what have mentioned does not seem worthwhile.
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The Fourth Monado
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fictionfan
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I don't feel like this is an argument or very informative.
KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
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- Midwest, USA
I'd try to present an argument for Drama Club being more interesting or compelling, but it'd basically regurgitate what @Gore17 , @KaintukeeBob , etc. have said.
For me, Drama Club is more compelling on a story level, feels like it fits Kakara a bit better, personality-wise, and doesn't feel like game-cheesing double-stacking in the way that Magic Club does. Furthermore, I'm of the mind that the "other benefits" Poptart alludes to for either club, but for Drama in particular, will better compliment things we hold as core concerns for Kakara in the short and medium term.
For me, Drama Club is more compelling on a story level, feels like it fits Kakara a bit better, personality-wise, and doesn't feel like game-cheesing double-stacking in the way that Magic Club does. Furthermore, I'm of the mind that the "other benefits" Poptart alludes to for either club, but for Drama in particular, will better compliment things we hold as core concerns for Kakara in the short and medium term.
He's saying your argument that our skills are enough to overcome centuries of cultural inertia and conditioning for an entire group, by ourself, with no major leverage, is laughable and infuriating.
Anyway, lets put the argument over benefits to bed: @PoptartProdigy, can you explain what benefits and downside we/Kakara can reasonably expect with regards to a Drama Club and Magic Club?
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
Another phrase for game-cheesing double-stacking, in character, is effective time management.
That said, I do understand your concerns, and have a mild preference for Drama Club, but it'll probably come down to which plans I like better as a whole more than that.
On that note, a thought:
@PoptartProdigy Could Kakara spend Two Actions to maintain grade and one action to tutor other students for a chance at improving her grades? (After all, colloquially, the best way to learn is to teach)
fictionfan
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I personally find Magic club more compelling be because it is Kakara taking advantage of what she is go at. Drama club seems like a borring telling other people's stories and just going with the flow. I don't think Magic club goes against her personality at all. She loves playing with ki and she loves winning. This is basically winning the "who is the best magician" game. Also I think she would very much enjoy pulling the prank of convincing some Saiyans that she is a Sorceresses. Also would provide good smoke screen for our other talents.
I don't know what these core concerns you are talking about are.
Edit: To be clearer. From my point of view her core concerns are the seal, the coming invasion, self improvement and her personal philosophy. Drama club seems to have little to do with any of those. Besides Training deceit and we have established that Magic club does that as well.
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KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
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- Midwest, USA
There's a point where it becomes obnoxious, and this is it.Another phrase for game-cheesing double-stacking, in character, is effective time management.
I've never seen Kakara actually displaying skill at sleight of hand, magic, etc.
Drama isn't just about "telling other people's stories", it's about putting your own spin on the stories, or even telling your own.
(Also it's spelled "boring", seriously, slow down and spell-check or something dude, it can't be that hard.)
"Who is the best magician" isn't good for much beyond "who is the best magician", and maybe "helping Kakara learn to pickpocket". Neither of which seems relevant.
Drama Club is fundamentally about communication. Not just facts, but emotions. She's already shown talent in that, I firmly believe Drama Club, that delving into performing literature and stories, will only grow that skill.
Drama Club could help our grades.
Drama Club's focus on presenting stories and narratives will help us when it comes time to talk through why reversing the Sealing is important, and may in fact end up helping us convince our own father of that importance.
fictionfan
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Grace almost perfectly applies to slight of hand. And you don't see how learning new and novel ways to use ki might be useful seriously?
The showmanship required by a magic show also requires communication. It would not be much of a show if you could not tell a story.
Also I think it is good for Kakara's mental health to find non-combat uses for KI.
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An A- average isn't slacking. If that isn't enough to ensure a good Xth grade education, it's the fault of Karen' teachers and curriculum office, not her work ethic.
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Okay, @fictionfan ? I don't want to be at all rude here but this is starting to seem like a panacea idea. You seem to expect it to do everything another vote option does 'only better,' to synergize with multiple other skills, to work so well that it has no meaningful downsides, tradeoffs, or limitation. It's good for this, it's good for that, it's good for the other thing and the other other thing!
There is a truism called the 'law of the instrument.' "When all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail." And there's a temptation to start regarding your hammer as able to nail *anything,* to solve any problem, to have an ever-increasing number of 'obvious' benefits because the hammer is just so perfect.
I'd like to caution against falling prey to that.
We may or may not be totally free to use it however we want. Let's wait a bit to find out what restrictions Berra wants to keep in play in the aftermath of this event.
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
As for Drama club, I do have some arguments in favor of it.
1) It helps us learn about the culture of Garenhuld.
2) Poptart already mentioned we don't have to worry about the hiding ki aspect of the masquerade anymore, which means that we can use it to enhance the play and thus get people more comfortable with the idea. Since in MC we would be aiming to hide ki usage, that doesn't apply to it.
3) It provides a greater chance at social since it needs us to interact with the other actors both in practice of the play as during it.
4) More of a downside of the other but pretend to be a sorcerer is a bad idea. Not only it woyldn't work since saiyans can sense when sorcery is at work and it would require a lot of training at MC to even begin to imitate their effects but even if it did work, sorcerers face prejudice and it would make Dandeer nervous about us interacting with Jaron. Remember when she saw us practicing Jaffur style? Woman be paranoid. Also, Kakara is prejudiced against sorcerers so I doubt she would enjoy pretending to be one and some sorcerers might take offense at her trying to.
5) It is at its base a group activity which means we can pull our friends to it. Since it is about practicing conversations, it might help Jaron with his confidence issues and to a lesser extent Maya. It also gives us an excuse to practice with them in case we need some alone time with Jaron... for the seal. That came out wrong.
1) It helps us learn about the culture of Garenhuld.
2) Poptart already mentioned we don't have to worry about the hiding ki aspect of the masquerade anymore, which means that we can use it to enhance the play and thus get people more comfortable with the idea. Since in MC we would be aiming to hide ki usage, that doesn't apply to it.
3) It provides a greater chance at social since it needs us to interact with the other actors both in practice of the play as during it.
4) More of a downside of the other but pretend to be a sorcerer is a bad idea. Not only it woyldn't work since saiyans can sense when sorcery is at work and it would require a lot of training at MC to even begin to imitate their effects but even if it did work, sorcerers face prejudice and it would make Dandeer nervous about us interacting with Jaron. Remember when she saw us practicing Jaffur style? Woman be paranoid. Also, Kakara is prejudiced against sorcerers so I doubt she would enjoy pretending to be one and some sorcerers might take offense at her trying to.
5) It is at its base a group activity which means we can pull our friends to it. Since it is about practicing conversations, it might help Jaron with his confidence issues and to a lesser extent Maya. It also gives us an excuse to practice with them in case we need some alone time with Jaron... for the seal. That came out wrong.
fictionfan
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Well that is not addressing anything I said. The reason that it seems to fit so well is because I spent a long time thinking about what would fit.
Getting very tired of people questioning my motivation instead of arguing.