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Dragon Ball: After the End

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[] Board Game Night!
-[] Make sure everyone feels included and has fun.
-[] Contact Maya with telepathy. Check to see sure if she's ok and ask how the rest of our friends are.
 
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Okay, I assumed that it was possible because I saw other people voting for it. If it WAS possible it'd be a good idea, obviously.

[x] Board Game Night!
-[x] Make sure everyone feels included and has fun.
 
[X] Board Game Night!
-[X] Make sure everyone feels included and has fun.
 
@PoptartProdigy : I have question regarding fighting styles. What hurts more a ki blast from a super saiyan or a rock thrown by a super saiyan as hard as s/he can?
 
fictionfan said:
@PoptartProdigy : I have question regarding fighting styles. What hurts more a ki blast from a super saiyan or a rock thrown by a super saiyan as hard as s/he can?
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I would assume the ki blast since if the opponent is tough enough that the difference matters then the rock would probably break into dust upon hitting them at that speed. Not to mention it would probably be the same as a punch from a super saiyan at top strength so you would be better asking what hurts more, a ki blast or a punch.

[X] Board Game Night!
 
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[x] Board Game Night!
-[x] Make sure everyone feels included and has fun.


What does anyone think about ducking out to use the bathroom, Multi-forming, and going to do the 'save people without being seen' thing?

Yes, it would let the multiform cat out of the bag (potentially) but if Dad knows we're thinking about Tien Style he'll suspect we've been trying to learn it anyway. This would be a good chance for us to work with Dad to manage a situation. It could end up as free Command training or prep for when we step up as Lady, not to mention grinding relationship with Dad.

So...yeah, that could be a thing. We were even talking about it before, but never acted on it (for good reasons at the time).

Jaron won't suspect anything, no one but Dad will have to know we have multiform, and we can get stuff done (including playing Family Fight Night -errr, monopoly- with everyone).

Hell, we could even create two multiforms, and have one of them scry.
 
fictionfan said:
@PoptartProdigy : I have question regarding fighting styles. What hurts more a ki blast from a super saiyan or a rock thrown by a super saiyan as hard as s/he can?
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Good question! The ki blast would hurt more, as it has a structural integrity appropriate to a ki blast of its power level, but the rock is always just a rock. Past a certain point, you may as well be throwing powder as far as damage goes. That said, it can serve a purpose in distraction, and mass is mass. If your opponent isn't braced for it and you throw a mountain at them, they're going where the mountain is going, even if it doesn't hurt them.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
Good question! The ki blast would hurt more, as it has a structural integrity appropriate to a ki blast of its power level, but the rock is always just a rock. Past a certain point, you may as well be throwing powder as far as damage goes. That said, it can serve a purpose in distraction, and mass is mass. If your opponent isn't braced for it and you throw a mountain at them, they're going where the mountain is going, even if it doesn't hurt them.
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Wouldn't past a certain point the rock do this?
 
KaintukeeBob said:
Jaron won't suspect anything, no one but Dad will have to know we have multiform, and we can get stuff done (including playing Family Fight Night -errr, monopoly- with everyone).
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I actually like the idea of twinning, calling Berra and saying "Hi Dad, I have multiform, how can I help?"

The one catch is, what if one of your multiforms dies? Is the remaining clone unharmed and identical to the original? Is there an 'original' with seer or magical powers? It would be... very hard for Berra to accept emotionally that the multiforms of Kakara are on some level expendable as long as one of them remains.

Hell, we could even create two multiforms, and have one of them scry.
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Not so sure about that. Scrying requires a secure location and the big white eyes are pretty obtrusive. There'd be a high risk of discovery at a time like this.

Also, I'm worried that dividing someone's ki up into multiple clones may interact strangely with having the spirit of one of the clones drifting through time and space.
 
Gore17 said:
Wouldn't past a certain point the rock do this?
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PoptartProdigy said:
It would indeed, but the energy you'd put into throwing it that quickly would be more efficiently spent on a massive blast.
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Gore17 said:
Oh, I know, but it'd be cool.
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Well, you'd basically be creating a massive, roughly spherical wavefront of ultra-heated air similar to a nuclear fireball, directly in front of your throwing arm.

Super-saiyans can already do this anyway. The rock is merely an unnecessary prop. :p
 
Simon_Jester said:
Well, you'd basically be creating a massive, roughly spherical wavefront of ultra-heated air similar to a nuclear fireball, directly in front of your throwing arm.

Super-saiyans can already do this anyway. The rock is merely an unnecessary prop. :p
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Rocks are also easier for the target to disrupt or disperse; part of a Ki blast is that it's harder for someone at least close in power to just smack it to nothingness. Beam struggles are a thing, and all that.
 
Well, we were talking about rocks thrown at high enough speeds that they start acting more like blobs of rapidly dissociating plasma, so they start looking more like energy attacks- just messy ones that aren't very directional.

You seem to be thinking more in terms of "pick a mountain up and throw it," which would, yes, be a lot easier for a high-end ki user to disperse into harmlessness (to ki users).
 
Simon_Jester said:
Well, we were talking about rocks thrown at high enough speeds that they start acting more like blobs of rapidly dissociating plasma, so they start looking more like energy attacks- just messy ones that aren't very directional.

You seem to be thinking more in terms of "pick a mountain up and throw it," which would, yes, be a lot easier for a high-end ki user to disperse into harmlessness (to ki users).
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Well, even the "blob of plasma" wouldn't work as well, unless you used enough Ki to keep it coherent and forceful that you might as well cut the middleman.

I'll point out that, so far as I can tell from the series, the concern for non-Arcosians when a planet blows up, at least after a certain point, is "lack of oxygen", not "the explosion".
 
Simon_Jester said:
The one catch is, what if one of your multiforms dies? Is the remaining clone unharmed and identical to the original? Is there an 'original' with seer or magical powers? It would be... very hard for Berra to accept emotionally that the multiforms of Kakara are on some level expendable as long as one of them remains.
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I've mentioned previously (although I really should get it in the "useful info" section) that multiform clones that die cut the eventual reformed version entirely out of their PL. It comes back at normal, "recovering from exhaustion," pace, but when you first come back, whatever was in that clone is gone -- from power level to memories. Each clone has the full abilities and skills of the original, and there is no, "original," clone. All are metaphysically equal.
 
KnightDisciple said:
Well, even the "blob of plasma" wouldn't work as well, unless you used enough Ki to keep it coherent and forceful that you might as well cut the middleman.

I'll point out that, so far as I can tell from the series, the concern for non-Arcosians when a planet blows up, at least after a certain point, is "lack of oxygen", not "the explosion".
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It would be cool to develop our TK to the point that we can denial our opponents air.
 
With the weigh-in from @Simon_Jester and the clarification from Poptart, I submit my addendum to the write-in.

[x] Board Game Night!
-[x] Make sure everyone feels included and has fun.
-[x] But excuse yourself to the restroom and Multiform first
--[x] The duplicate who is not staying home will talk with Dad via telepathy and help according to his directions.
---[x] The duplicate talking to Dad is explicitly permitted to tell him that we have learned the multi-form technique.

@Aranfan, @Terrabrand, @pianoman, @ChronOblivion, @Andres110, @KnightDisciple, @LucidityWaver, @Sucal

Can I convince you to switch to this vote?
Adhoc vote count started by KaintukeeBob on Jun 28, 2017 at 6:20 PM, finished with 250 posts and 23 votes.
  • [x] Board Game Night!
    -[x] Make sure everyone feels included and has fun.
    [x] RUN! A war zone is not the place for a squishy human!
    -[x] ...actually, this presents an opportunity. Power up and carry Jaron. You have the perfect excuse, and him knowing about ki could only make breaking the Seal easier. And it would piss off his Mom, too.
    --[x] ...Power up moderately, enough to stop bomb shrapnel and bullets, but no higher than necessary for that purpose. Run fast, but not ridiculously beyond the human maximum.
    --[x] ...Take Jaron to your own home, not his, if there was any question of that.
    [x] RUN! A war zone is not the place for a squishy human!
    -[x] ...actually, this presents an opportunity. Power up and carry Jaron. You have the perfect excuse, and him knowing about ki could only make breaking the Seal easier. And it would piss off his Mom, too.
    -[x] at the same time make a duplicate and go out and see if you can't help save some lives. With Ki Sense, Telekinesis and speed, you should be able to so secretly without issue.
    [x] RUN! A war zone is not the place for a squishy human!
    -[x] At human pace. Don't raise any tricky questions. If you get caught and have to fight, then that's all there is to it, but let's not make things harder on ourselves and show Jaron things he's not supposed to see.
    --[x] but power up enough to stop bomb shrapnel and bullets, but no higher than necessary for that purpose.
    [x] RUN! A war zone is not the place for a squishy human!
    -[X] At a human pace unless Jaron is in a clear and immediate danger. Then you'll deal with the aftermath as it comes. You'll have your Ki at 120,000 at all times anyway, just in case.
    --[X] Take Jaron home with you.
    -[X] Check with Dad if you're allowed to help others, either openly through mundane methods, or secretly with Ki if you can do so without anyone knowing or noticing.
    --[X] If you're allowed, create a clone or two where Jaron can't notice them and send them off to help people.
    -[X] Also check with Dad to see what you should do if the soldiers start rounding up or massacring people.
    -[X] Finally, Maya. How should they handle her, especially if she forgoes secrecy?
    -[X] If a Scout attacks openly during the confusion, raise your PL to 500,000 and get the fuck out of there while alerting Dad.
    [X] Write in: Go Super Saiyajin.
    -[X] End this war.
    [x] RUN! A war zone is not the place for a squishy human!
    -[X] Use Solar Flare to dazzle everyone in the area. It's a bit of a detection risk, but necessary for this to be convincing to Jaron.
    -[X] Grab Jaron and use Instant Transmission to teleport to a remote, secluded place on the outskirts of the city, away from any paratroop landing zones.
    --[X] If it's possible to raise power level at all while masking Kakara's ki signature, do so to provide some extra protection in case of a surprise attack.
    --[X] Claim Jaron had another 'attack,' attributing any confusion or lack of perceived elapsed time to confused memories.
    -[X] Contact Berra, mention that the bomb landed awfully close to you and might have been aimed at you and Jaron personally. Maybe there are rogue saiyans involved in all this.
    --[X] Request instructions.
    [x] RUN! A war zone is not the place for a squishy human!
    -[x] Knock Jaron out and/or use Solar Flare to dazzle everyone in the area and/or flashblind Jaron as needed to cover the exit.
    -[x] Grab Jaron and use Instant Transmission to teleport well away from other people.
    --[X] If it's possible to raise power level at all while masking Kakara's ki signature, do so to provide some extra protection in case of a surprise attack.
    --[x] If necessary, Claim Jaron hit his head during the explosion and/or fall and/or had another 'attack,' attributing any confusion or lack of perceived elapsed time to confused memories.
    -[x] Contact Berra, mention that the very first bomb detected landed awfully close to you and would have likely killed both you and Jaron if not for a lucky and not-at-all certain last-second detection and dive into a ditch. You were not where your routine would have predicted you to be. Mention your location at the time and list the (lack of) potential military targets nearby. It might have been aimed at you and Jaron personally. Maybe there are rogue saiyans involved in all this.
    --[X] Request instructions.
    [X] Try to talk with Jaron. He looks like he could use some company. And why hasn't he mentioned how fast and strong you were? He couldn't have failed to notice...
    -[X] Contact Maya with telepathy. Check to see sure if she's ok and ask how the rest of our friends are.
    -[x] so I'm surprised that your not surprised or impressed by my show of athletics out there *pose slightly * what gives.
    -[X] ask if he'd like to be strong like you
    -[X] Ask what it was like in his old town see how far back Jaron "remembers"
    -[X] try to swap slightly edited childhood stories.
    [x] Board Game Night!
    [x] Board Game Night!
    -[x] Make sure everyone feels included and has fun.
    -[x] But excuse yourself to the restroom and Multiform first
    --[x] The duplicate who is not staying home will talk with Dad via telepathy and help according to his directions.
    ---[x] The duplicate talking to Dad is explicitly permitted to tell him that we have learned the multi-form technique.
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