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What if it's Berra who senses the duplicate and comes to investigate? He's not an enemy... but he won't be happy to learn we created a half-power duplicate to run around breaking the Masquerade without consulting him. This can't be the first time saiyans have been tempted to interfere in human wars for their own good, and I'm pretty sure Berra takes his own power and responsibility to coordinate the saiyan involvement very seriously.

As for distracting Jaron- if you want to do that, write it into the plan. Me, I'm going to vote for the 'Captain Garenhuld' idea.

[x] RUN! A war zone is not the place for a squishy human!
-[x] ...actually, this presents an opportunity. Power up and carry Jaron. You have the perfect excuse, and him knowing about ki could only make breaking the Seal easier. And it would piss off his Mom, too.
--[x] ...Power up moderately, enough to stop bomb shrapnel and bullets, but no higher than necessary for that purpose. Run fast, but not ridiculously beyond the human maximum.
--[x] ...Take Jaron to your own home, not his, if there was any question of that.
 
[x] RUN! A war zone is not the place for a squishy human!
-[x] ...actually, this presents an opportunity. Power up and carry Jaron. You have the perfect excuse, and him knowing about ki could only make breaking the Seal easier. And it would piss off his Mom, too.
--[x] ...Power up moderately, enough to stop bomb shrapnel and bullets, but no higher than necessary for that purpose. Run fast, but not ridiculously beyond the human maximum.
--[x] ...Take Jaron to your own home, not his, if there was any question of that.
 
[x] RUN! A war zone is not the place for a squishy human!
-[x] At human pace. Don't raise any tricky questions. If you get caught and have to fight, then that's all there is to it, but let's not make things harder on ourselves and show Jaron things he's not supposed to see.
--[x] but power up enough to stop bomb shrapnel and bullets, but no higher than necessary for that purpose.

i would rather not die to a lucky shot, thanks. and i see no reason for us to cause additional political instability or tip our hand about Jaron via showing him the truth.
 
What if it's Berra who senses the duplicate and comes to investigate? He's not an enemy... but he won't be happy to learn we created a half-power duplicate to run around breaking the Masquerade without consulting him. This can't be the first time saiyans have been tempted to interfere in human wars for their own good, and I'm pretty sure Berra takes his own power and responsibility to coordinate the saiyan involvement very seriously.

As for distracting Jaron- if you want to do that, write it into the plan. Me, I'm going to vote for the 'Captain Garenhuld' idea.
Right now we are going through a existential crisis. It would be really good for us to us our powers in a constructive way.
 
[X] RUN! A war zone is not the place for a squishy human!
-[X] ...actually, this presents an opportunity. Power up and carry Jaron. You have the perfect excuse, and him knowing about ki could only make breaking the Seal easier. And it would piss off his Mom, too.
-[X] at the same time make a duplicate and go out and see if you can't help save some lives. With Ki Sense, Telekinesis and speed, you should be able to so secretly without issue.
--[X] Also, check what Maya is doing. If she's out and about, bring her with you so you can supervise her.

What if it's Berra who senses the duplicate and comes to investigate? He's not an enemy... but he won't be happy to learn we created a half-power duplicate to run around breaking the Masquerade without consulting him. This can't be the first time saiyans have been tempted to interfere in human wars for their own good, and I'm pretty sure Berra takes his own power and responsibility to coordinate the saiyan involvement very seriously.
And Saiyans have participated in human wars. Senzu made their fortune in human society in part through doing so, in fact.

And the point of said write-in is to do so secretly, and it's limited to saving lives.
 
[x] RUN! A war zone is not the place for a squishy human!
-[x] ...actually, this presents an opportunity. Power up and carry Jaron. You have the perfect excuse, and him knowing about ki could only make breaking the Seal easier. And it would piss off his Mom, too.
--[x] ...Power up moderately, enough to stop bomb shrapnel and bullets, but no higher than necessary for that purpose. Run fast, but not ridiculously beyond the human maximum.
--[x] ...Take Jaron to your own home, not his, if there was any question of that.
 
So, can anyone provide a reason not to go out and save lives.
It would give leverage to Lady Bitch to have our powers sealed or for her to have us exiled because we would have broken the Masquerade, also there are adults around who can handle the situation, and they don't need us going around blowing the whole thing when they can handle it.
 
It would totally be too easy since with a power level of 1 million we'd be completely immune to all local detection and could fix everything in like a second?
Only flaw is that we'd be restricted to a lower PL due to Maya and the Scouts. 100 to 200 thousand should be more then sufficient anyway though.
It would give leverage to Lady Bitch to have our powers sealed or for her to have us exiled because we would have broken the Masquerade, also there are adults around who can handle the situation, and they don't need us going around blowing the whole thing when they can handle it.
...Several flaws with that:
1) Dandeer has no legal authority to do so to us, and if no one would support her in such a measure.
2) Why would she even do so in the first place?
3) There is no intention to break the Masquerade. There's numerous ways for us to help without causing any issues.
4) The adults are current disrupting the invasion. We'd be focused on saving lives.
 
Hm. This is going to be my only post until some time in the mid-afternoon, so based on past experience I'm about to lose a fair amount of ground in any vote debates. Eh well. Man's gotta work, what can you do?

[Please everyone remember I can't do anything to stick up for my ideas until some time about eight or ten hours from now]

[x] RUN! A war zone is not the place for a squishy human!
-[] At human pace. Don't raise any tricky questions. If you get caught and have to fight, then that's all there is to it, but let's not make things harder on ourselves and show Jaron things he's not supposed to see.
--[] but power up enough to stop bomb shrapnel and bullets, but no higher than necessary for that purpose.

i would rather not die to a lucky shot, thanks. and i see no reason for us to cause additional political instability or tip our hand about Jaron via showing him the truth.
Is there a reason you used different vote wording than me? I'm curious.

Right now we are going through a existential crisis. It would be really good for us to us our powers in a constructive way.
In principle, but it would also be good for us to not jump the chain of command and, y'know, ask permission first. Again, the Masquerade is the cornerstone of saiyan society on Garenhuld, and the two clan leaders' authority over Masquerade-related decisions is among the most critical elements of their power. Just laughing the Masquerade off to go be a superhero is tempting and maybe we can do it without getting caught, but that's not the way to bet.

And Saiyans have participated in human wars. Senzu made their fortune in human society in part through doing so, in fact.

And the point of said write-in is to do so secretly, and it's limited to saving lives.
I would bet you ten internet dollars that the Senzus asked permission of House Vegeta's leadership before doing so, assuming they were doing this after the rise of the House structure. Maintaining the Masquerade is a coordinated action and a core privilege of the House leaders; expect them to guard it jealously. This is precisely why Berra has been using Maya's status as a way to gain political leverage, because he is technically the only person on the planet who has the legal right to make decisions regarding Maya and the Masquerade.

So, can anyone provide a reason not to go out and save lives.
There is only one person IC who could possibly do so. I recommend asking him, then doing it.

Only flaw is that we'd be restricted to a lower PL due to Maya and the Scouts. 100 to 200 thousand should be more then sufficient anyway though.
Yes, it certainly should.

...Several flaws with that:
1) Dandeer has no legal authority to do so to us, and if no one would support her in such a measure.
2) Why would she even do so in the first place?
Let's just replace "Dandeer might try to harm us" with all the many bad things that could happen with respect to saiyan society if the Masquerade falls apart because someone figured out that the common thread in all those "I was saved by a superhero" threads is Kakara.

This isn't me saying "we shouldn't do it," this is me saying "let's at least take time to find out what Berra's plan is and if he's set anything in motion we need to be aware of" before doing it. We already know he has a problem with forgetting to brief his 'soldiers' on things that he doesn't think of as directly affecting them, or forgetting to give them important information until a little later than appropriate.

3) There is no intention to break the Masquerade. There's numerous ways for us to help without causing any issues.
Public use of powers always has this risk. Someone may notice anything we do, and the more miraculous it is the more conspicuous it will be. "And then a wall of shrapnel just stopped in midair, and there was this schoolgirl standing there, and then blur." "And I was trying to push aside the burning wreckage to get to my baby, and then this schoolgirl handed little Susiebell to me and then she just vanished." And so on.

I mean, I'm not saying we would force a Masquerade breach unless we do something drastic like flying around above the city lobbing ki blasts at incoming gravity bombs to blow them up before they hit the ground. But doing this carries an inevitable risk of breaking the Masquerade, which makes this a policy issue, and Berra should at least be consulted.

4) The adults are current disrupting the invasion. We'd be focused on saving lives.
If he didn't have humane intentions regarding the war he wouldn't be trying to stop it- but unlike Kakara, he can't be in two places at once. I think he'll make the right choice.
 
[x] RUN! A war zone is not the place for a squishy human!
-[x] ...actually, this presents an opportunity. Power up and carry Jaron. You have the perfect excuse, and him knowing about ki could only make breaking the Seal easier. And it would piss off his Mom, too.
--[x] ...Power up moderately, enough to stop bomb shrapnel and bullets, but no higher than necessary for that purpose. Run fast, but not ridiculously beyond the human maximum.
--[x] ...Take Jaron to your own home, not his, if there was any question of that.
 
Let's just replace "Dandeer might try to harm us" with all the many bad things that could happen with respect to saiyan society if the Masquerade falls apart because someone figured out that the common thread in all those "I was saved by a superhero" threads is Kakara.

This isn't me saying "we shouldn't do it," this is me saying "let's at least take time to find out what Berra's plan is and if he's set anything in motion we need to be aware of" before doing it. We already know he has a problem with forgetting to brief his 'soldiers' on things that he doesn't think of as directly affecting them, or forgetting to give them important information until a little later than appropriate.

Public use of powers always has this risk. Someone may notice anything we do, and the more miraculous it is the more conspicuous it will be. "And then a wall of shrapnel just stopped in midair, and there was this schoolgirl standing there, and then blur." "And I was trying to push aside the burning wreckage to get to my baby, and then this schoolgirl handed little Susiebell to me and then she just vanished." And so on.

I mean, I'm not saying we would force a Masquerade breach unless we do something drastic like flying around above the city lobbing ki blasts at incoming gravity bombs to blow them up before they hit the ground. But doing this carries an inevitable risk of breaking the Masquerade, which makes this a policy issue, and Berra should at least be consulted.

If he didn't have humane intentions regarding the war he wouldn't be trying to stop it- but unlike Kakara, he can't be in two places at once. I think he'll make the right choice.
...I think we have very different ideas of what the plan is entails.

A wall of shrapnel stopping in midair, and us appearing before people? Not on the cards. But with our Ki Sense, we can detect people in rubble and help ensure they can escape. Or cause guns to jam if necessary. Or, you know, provide first-aid to those injured.
 
[x] RUN! A war zone is not the place for a squishy human!
-[x] At human pace. Don't raise any tricky questions. If you get caught and have to fight, then that's all there is to it, but let's not make things harder on ourselves and show Jaron things he's not supposed to see.
--[x] but power up enough to stop bomb shrapnel and bullets, but no higher than necessary for that purpose.
 
[x] RUN! A war zone is not the place for a squishy human!
-[x] ...actually, this presents an opportunity. Power up and carry Jaron. You have the perfect excuse, and him knowing about ki could only make breaking the Seal easier. And it would piss off his Mom, too.
--[x] ...Power up moderately, enough to stop bomb shrapnel and bullets, but no higher than necessary for that purpose. Run fast, but not ridiculously beyond the human maximum.
--[x] ...Take Jaron to your own home, not his, if there was any question of that.

@Aranfan voted close to my original intent, but I have been swayed.

Plus, Maya will be getting involved, and we did miss out on a training session with her.

This schedule is GOING BACK ON TRACK EVEN IF WE HAVE TO BURN THE CITY TO DO IT.
 
@Aranfan voted close to my original intent, but I have been swayed.

Plus, Maya will be getting involved, and we did miss out on a training session with her.

This schedule is GOING BACK ON TRACK EVEN IF WE HAVE TO BURN THE CITY TO DO IT.
*stares in confusion* I don't understand what you're going on about.
In principle, but it would also be good for us to not jump the chain of command and, y'know, ask permission first. Again, the Masquerade is the cornerstone of saiyan society on Garenhuld, and the two clan leaders' authority over Masquerade-related decisions is among the most critical elements of their power. Just laughing the Masquerade off to go be a superhero is tempting and maybe we can do it without getting caught, but that's not the way to bet.
Anyway, two things I'd like to point:
a) We're an officer in the field, and Scion, we have leeway on this sort thing. /oldargument
b) Why are you not voting to get that permission?
 
[X] RUN! A war zone is not the place for a squishy human!
-[X] At a human pace unless Jaron is in a clear and immediate danger. Then you'll deal with the aftermath as it comes. You'll have your Ki at 120,000 at all times anyway, just in case.
--[X] Take Jaron home with you.
-[X] Check with Dad if you're allowed to help others, either openly through mundane methods, or secretly with Ki if you can do so without anyone knowing or noticing.
--[X] If you're allowed, create a clone or two where Jaron can't notice them and send them off to help people.
-[X] Also check with Dad to see what you should do if the soldiers start rounding up or massacring people.
-[X] Finally, Maya. How should they handle her, especially if she forgoes secrecy?
-[X] If a Scout attacks openly during the confusion, raise your PL to 500,000 and get the fuck out of there while alerting Dad.

There. Everything I can think of. :V
 
[X] RUN! A war zone is not the place for a squishy human!
-[X] At a human pace unless Jaron is in a clear and immediate danger. Then you'll deal with the aftermath as it comes. You'll have your Ki at 120,000 at all times anyway, just in case.
--[X] Take Jaron home with you.
-[X] Check with Dad if you're allowed to help others, either openly through mundane methods, or secretly with Ki if you can do so without anyone knowing or noticing.
--[X] If you're allowed, create a clone or two where Jaron can't notice them and send them off to help people.
-[X] Also check with Dad to see what you should do if the soldiers start rounding up or massacring people.
-[X] Finally, Maya. How should they handle her, especially if she forgoes secrecy?
-[X] If a Scout attacks openly during the confusion, raise your PL to 500,000 and get the fuck out of there while alerting Dad.

This is definitely the most comprehensive and sensible plan so far. We've worked so hard to keep the conspiracy quiet; risking Jaron leaking info to Lady Vageta, however unlikely, is a terrible idea.

I have concerns about the blatant disregard of the masquerade enforced power limit in a public area. (All previous instances were far less public, iirc)
I'd prefer to confirm on that with Berra too. We shouldn't lose anything by doing so and we may avoid issues later.

A week has passed since the initial scout surrendered. We should have debriefed fully with Berra and gone over our plans for another confrontation. We shouldn't run immediately if it means abandoning others who need help, but fighting ourselves should not be on the table. We also shouldn't just let them out of sight; they shouldn't be free to report back.

If we can't organise Jaron to be incapacitated safely, or perhaps just disoriented, maybe Berra can organise it. That would probably reduce the risks a lot.
Adhoc vote count started by LucidityWaver on Jun 12, 2017 at 11:25 AM, finished with 48 posts and 12 votes.

  • [x] RUN! A war zone is not the place for a squishy human!
    -[x] ...actually, this presents an opportunity. Power up and carry Jaron. You have the perfect excuse, and him knowing about ki could only make breaking the Seal easier. And it would piss off his Mom, too.
    --[x] ...Power up moderately, enough to stop bomb shrapnel and bullets, but no higher than necessary for that purpose. Run fast, but not ridiculously beyond the human maximum.
    --[x] ...Take Jaron to your own home, not his, if there was any question of that.
    [x] RUN! A war zone is not the place for a squishy human!
    -[x] ...actually, this presents an opportunity. Power up and carry Jaron. You have the perfect excuse, and him knowing about ki could only make breaking the Seal easier. And it would piss off his Mom, too.
    -[x] at the same time make a duplicate and go out and see if you can't help save some lives. With Ki Sense, Telekinesis and speed, you should be able to so secretly without issue.
    [x] RUN! A war zone is not the place for a squishy human!
    -[x] At human pace. Don't raise any tricky questions. If you get caught and have to fight, then that's all there is to it, but let's not make things harder on ourselves and show Jaron things he's not supposed to see.
    --[x] but power up enough to stop bomb shrapnel and bullets, but no higher than necessary for that purpose.
    [x] RUN! A war zone is not the place for a squishy human!
    -[X] At a human pace unless Jaron is in a clear and immediate danger. Then you'll deal with the aftermath as it comes. You'll have your Ki at 120,000 at all times anyway, just in case.
    --[X] Take Jaron home with you.
    -[X] Check with Dad if you're allowed to help others, either openly through mundane methods, or secretly with Ki if you can do so without anyone knowing or noticing.
    --[X] If you're allowed, create a clone or two where Jaron can't notice them and send them off to help people.
    -[X] Also check with Dad to see what you should do if the soldiers start rounding up or massacring people.
    -[X] Finally, Maya. How should they handle her, especially if she forgoes secrecy?
    -[X] If a Scout attacks openly during the confusion, raise your PL to 500,000 and get the fuck out of there while alerting Dad.
    [X] Okay, okay, this is fine. Just go see somebody else. Fennella? Yeah, her. She would have felt the fight, she probably wants to chat (mini-event socializing with Fennella).
    -[X] Maybe hit a lake beach?
 
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[x] RUN! A war zone is not the place for a squishy human!
-[x] ...actually, this presents an opportunity. Power up and carry Jaron. You have the perfect excuse, and him knowing about ki could only make breaking the Seal easier. And it would piss off his Mom, too.
--[x] ...Power up moderately, enough to stop bomb shrapnel and bullets, but no higher than necessary for that purpose. Run fast, but not ridiculously beyond the human maximum.
--[x] ...Take Jaron to your own home, not his, if there was any question of that.
 
[x] RUN! A war zone is not the place for a squishy human!
-[x] ...actually, this presents an opportunity. Power up and carry Jaron. You have the perfect excuse, and him knowing about ki could only make breaking the Seal easier. And it would piss off his Mom, too.
--[x] ...Power up moderately, enough to stop bomb shrapnel and bullets, but no higher than necessary for that purpose. Run fast, but not ridiculously beyond the human maximum.
--[x] ...Take Jaron to your own home, not his, if there was any question of that.
 
Uh oh, it seems that Kakara is turning into a slacker.


Anyway, the obvious expectation is scout infiltration, but arranging a surprise worldwide proxy war would be really darn impressive. It seems much more likely that some Saiyan faction is at the very least assisting, especially since Kakara and/or Jaffur were targeted in a strategically irrelevant residential neighborhood in the opening salvo. We'll know more if we find out about the bus they were supposed to be on, but the fact that they were still targeted despite unexpectedly being somewhere other than their usual routines would indicate that they are currently being tracked by something which is at least unwittingly hostile. I'd say that that would seal it as Saiyan involvement if not for the fact that the scout had the opportunity to report in the freakishly powerful kid before surrendering himself, so it's possible that this is 100% scout responsibility, if unlikely.

The important takeaway here is that Kakara and Jaron are probably being tracked right this very moment by something which is at the very least perfectly comfortable with them dying. There really isn't a lot of time for subtlety. Can we knock Jaffur out and IT to safety? The Hall probably isn't safety considering the possibility of Saiyan involvement, and the scouts already know about the hole. Either of the homes of the ruling houses is going to be a priority target, and Jaron's in particular doesn't have anybody authorized to power up enough to protect it. That leaves random nowhere, which we can't be sure won't be trackable, or... the Senzus. That has a lot of problems, though.

In fact, given that sealed-Jaffur picked up that something was going on long before ki-sensing prodigy Kakara, sorcery is very likely involved. He might have detected a remote scrying attempt to find them and redirect planes when they weren't on the bus as it got blown up.



Both of you are under Masque; for whatever reason, the Peats elected not to evacuate to the Hall,

*Mental Tire Screeeeeeech*
 
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