Dragon Ball: After the End
ChildishChimera
A umbran summon
- Location
- New York
[X] Write In: Plan Make Allies, Not Rivals
- Location
- Somewhere I shouldn't be
[X] Write In: Plan Make Allies, Not Rivals
Looks good to me.
Looks good to me.
- Location
- Snakesden
I like Allies, Not Rivals, but I'd like to offer a few alternatives as well. (Not least cause I don't want to put Dandeer on higher alert, or just freak her out--but also because Mato might like other things better.)
[X] Write In: Allies with Options
-[X] Tell him that we don't know much, but that we'll tell him what we've discovered so far.
-[X] Warn him that we're going to have to keep this a secret: if certain people found out, there could be trouble--Dandeer in particular is upset about people learning it and could make life tough for him.
-[X] Explain that we haven't made much progress ourselves on this, and invite him to help us figure out more of Jaffur's style. It will pretty much be his project, though we'll help out when we can. It might take a long time to see some progress, though.
-[X] If he's interested in cool styles and techniques that would impress Dad, there are a few other directions he could take. Dad's gotten interested in Yamcha Style recently, which we think is pretty underrated, but don't have plans to study ourselves.
-[X] We also recently sparred a friend of ours in Clan Vegeta who uses Trunks Style, which was really cool--and even uses a sword! Not too common in Clan Goku, so it'd really stand out. And it's very different from Kakara's fighting style, so we'd get a whole yin-yang thing going. We could introduce him to our friend, if he'd like to see it for himself.
[X] Write In: Allies with Options
-[X] Tell him that we don't know much, but that we'll tell him what we've discovered so far.
-[X] Warn him that we're going to have to keep this a secret: if certain people found out, there could be trouble--Dandeer in particular is upset about people learning it and could make life tough for him.
-[X] Explain that we haven't made much progress ourselves on this, and invite him to help us figure out more of Jaffur's style. It will pretty much be his project, though we'll help out when we can. It might take a long time to see some progress, though.
-[X] If he's interested in cool styles and techniques that would impress Dad, there are a few other directions he could take. Dad's gotten interested in Yamcha Style recently, which we think is pretty underrated, but don't have plans to study ourselves.
-[X] We also recently sparred a friend of ours in Clan Vegeta who uses Trunks Style, which was really cool--and even uses a sword! Not too common in Clan Goku, so it'd really stand out. And it's very different from Kakara's fighting style, so we'd get a whole yin-yang thing going. We could introduce him to our friend, if he'd like to see it for himself.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Fenella is a Peat, actually. Gokun through and through.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Current tally:
Definitive winner, I think. A healthy wealth of options, but there's an easy plurality here. Plan: Communication is Key wins! Vote closed!
Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - Dragon Ball: After the End | Page 326 | Sufficient Velocity
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[X] Write-in: Plan Communication is Key
-[X] We'll explain what small bits we've figure out, but we certainly can't replicate it yet.
-[X] Let him know we will be looking at and trying to figure out the style as well, so while we won't try to overshadow him, he won't be the only one working on it, and he might start to feel that way.
-[X] Explain our concern about if word gets to Jaffur's mother, she might try to make trouble about it. Her, or possibly other people who either agree with her, or hold Jaffur's use of that style as near-sacrosanct.
No. of Votes: 8
[X] Write In: Plan Make Allies, Not Rivals
-[X] Tell him that we don't know much, but that we'll tell him what we've discovered so far.
-[X] Warn him that we're going to have to keep this a secret: if certain people found out, (use Dandeer for an example) there could be trouble.
-[X] Explain that we haven't made much progress ourselves on this, and invite him to help us figure out more of Jaffur's style.
--[X] If it looks like he is still hesitant or unconvinced, point out that because we are relatively busy we won't be able to take the lead on this. It will pretty much be his project. We will help when and if we can, but first and foremost the responsibility for working this out will be his.
No. of Votes: 5
[X] Reveal what little you've figured out (reference Jaffur's character sheet for details). Mato seems interested. Who knows? Maybe he could help you finish figuring out what this form is all about. It might be a way to help him feel special like he wants.
No. of Votes: 3
[X] Write In: Allies with Options
-[X] Tell him that we don't know much, but that we'll tell him what we've discovered so far.
-[X] Warn him that we're going to have to keep this a secret: if certain people found out, there could be trouble--Dandeer in particular is upset about people learning it and could make life tough for him.
-[X] Explain that we haven't made much progress ourselves on this, and invite him to help us figure out more of Jaffur's style. It will pretty much be his project, though we'll help out when we can. It might take a long time to see some progress, though.
-[X] If he's interested in cool styles and techniques that would impress Dad, there are a few other directions he could take. Dad's gotten interested in Yamcha Style recently, which we think is pretty underrated, but don't have plans to study ourselves.
-[X] We also recently sparred a friend of ours in Clan Vegeta who uses Trunks Style, which was really cool--and even uses a sword! Not too common in Clan Goku, so it'd really stand out. And it's very different from Kakara's fighting style, so we'd get a whole yin-yang thing going. We could introduce him to our friend, if he'd like to see it for himself.
No. of Votes: 1
Total No. of Voters: 17
##### NetTally 1.7.5
[X] Write-in: Plan Communication is Key
-[X] We'll explain what small bits we've figure out, but we certainly can't replicate it yet.
-[X] Let him know we will be looking at and trying to figure out the style as well, so while we won't try to overshadow him, he won't be the only one working on it, and he might start to feel that way.
-[X] Explain our concern about if word gets to Jaffur's mother, she might try to make trouble about it. Her, or possibly other people who either agree with her, or hold Jaffur's use of that style as near-sacrosanct.
No. of Votes: 8
[X] Write In: Plan Make Allies, Not Rivals
-[X] Tell him that we don't know much, but that we'll tell him what we've discovered so far.
-[X] Warn him that we're going to have to keep this a secret: if certain people found out, (use Dandeer for an example) there could be trouble.
-[X] Explain that we haven't made much progress ourselves on this, and invite him to help us figure out more of Jaffur's style.
--[X] If it looks like he is still hesitant or unconvinced, point out that because we are relatively busy we won't be able to take the lead on this. It will pretty much be his project. We will help when and if we can, but first and foremost the responsibility for working this out will be his.
No. of Votes: 5
[X] Reveal what little you've figured out (reference Jaffur's character sheet for details). Mato seems interested. Who knows? Maybe he could help you finish figuring out what this form is all about. It might be a way to help him feel special like he wants.
No. of Votes: 3
[X] Write In: Allies with Options
-[X] Tell him that we don't know much, but that we'll tell him what we've discovered so far.
-[X] Warn him that we're going to have to keep this a secret: if certain people found out, there could be trouble--Dandeer in particular is upset about people learning it and could make life tough for him.
-[X] Explain that we haven't made much progress ourselves on this, and invite him to help us figure out more of Jaffur's style. It will pretty much be his project, though we'll help out when we can. It might take a long time to see some progress, though.
-[X] If he's interested in cool styles and techniques that would impress Dad, there are a few other directions he could take. Dad's gotten interested in Yamcha Style recently, which we think is pretty underrated, but don't have plans to study ourselves.
-[X] We also recently sparred a friend of ours in Clan Vegeta who uses Trunks Style, which was really cool--and even uses a sword! Not too common in Clan Goku, so it'd really stand out. And it's very different from Kakara's fighting style, so we'd get a whole yin-yang thing going. We could introduce him to our friend, if he'd like to see it for himself.
No. of Votes: 1
Total No. of Voters: 17
Definitive winner, I think. A healthy wealth of options, but there's an easy plurality here. Plan: Communication is Key wins! Vote closed!
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
I have just read this quest. I am really glad you voted for Kakara Goku. I am very interested in learning a bunch of non combat uses for KI.
@PoptartProdigy : does Learning the body duplicate technique have penalties from pasifism? To me that seems like a non combat technique. Very useful out of combat not very useful in combat. However it under path of the warrior with stays it gets plenalties.
In fact someone with a combative mind set would get less use out of it since it makes duplicates of the person so they have to get along with themselves.
@PoptartProdigy : does Learning the body duplicate technique have penalties from pasifism? To me that seems like a non combat technique. Very useful out of combat not very useful in combat. However it under path of the warrior with stays it gets plenalties.
In fact someone with a combative mind set would get less use out of it since it makes duplicates of the person so they have to get along with themselves.
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- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
In fact, I've recently decided to change that up. I was going to wait for the update, but so long as you're mentioning it:
Multiform is now a Ki Talent, and shall be reclassified as such on the character sheet, to reflect the fact that it is not, strictly speaking, a combat technique.
And welcome aboard, fictionfan!
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Someone should have brought that up a long time ago.
I am imagining her being able to create enough clones to be able to manage all the issues of clan Goku at the same time.
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- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
A Kakareaucracy, hm? :lol
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Kakara has both the talent and motivation to take the technique farther then anyone before her.
Edit: Actually, she has to divide her Ki between Clones right? Could she use it in giant golden monkey form? She has never been able to push the limits of that form because it is too powerful, but if she divides up....
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Quest
The Great One
- Location
- Everywhere
I did bring that up. We should be able to explore the various Super Saiyin Grades and Full Power Super Saiyin through a clone, as well as the Great ape variations but we'll be unable to break into SSJ2 without being a single body.
Also, the normal saiyin body and the Great Ape body count separately, so it's possible to have two clones at full power provided one is a human and the other an ape.
Finally, the super saiyin power-up gives a static boost which is divided among the clones. So the more clones we have the weaker the super saiyin boost regardless of the individual power levels of the clones. Kaioken on the other hand is a true multiplier and is unaffected by this.
- Location
- Somewhere I shouldn't be
And we have honestly no CLUE how Jaffur's freaky ki technique would work with it.
Quest
The Great One
- Location
- Everywhere
This is pure speculation, but it seems similar to the kamehameha rather than a simple power-up technique. Do you remember when Goku and Piccolo could increase their effective PL by focusing their ki in the Raditz fight? I suspect this is similar to that, except it focuses all the ki he uses rather than just the attack.
This would explain how Jaffur figured this out, as despite being a genius he's 9 years old and it makes more sense he advanced and adapted something rather than created something from scratch.
Possible drawbacks could be the need for constant concentration when using the tech. While this probably won't boost his focused attacks, it would boost his basic ki abilities like defenses, punches, kicks, and basic ki blasts. It would also allow a faster charge up for focused techniques like Kamehameha and Special Beam Cannon.
Oh, right, I need to get back to developing my "Aggressively Homogenizing Kakara Swarm" idea. It's really the fastest and least violent way to bring peace to the omniverse.
I still suspect that it comes down to his being a sorcerer. We know that sorcerers very rarely develop their combat skills, and it would be a reason for Dandeer to be terrified at seeing Kakara display even a hint of it.
- Location
- Australia
Could the same not be said for Instant Transmission?
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
That is also under consideration.
- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
*Tries to come up with a joke about Kamehameha as a construction tool and therefore not really a combat technique, fails*
Ah well.
Ah well.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Everything is a weapon and all weapons are dangerous. Really pasifism should only give penalties to fighting not learning. Too late for that however.
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- Location
- Third planet from the star named Sol
- Pronouns
- He/They
Kamehameha broadcasts itself too much as an attack and thus is useful only rarely. Either your foe is so powerful that it is effective but unreliable because of their speed or they are weak enough that there is no point in using it. But as a demolition and land clearing tool, the kamehameha is a godsend and is essential for any modern construction worker. Clearly it shouldn't be a combat technique either.
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In it's very first appearance it was used to put out a fire.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
By blowing up the mountain in question, yes.
- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
Are you saying it's not a valid firefighter skill?
