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"and she yelled at me because I didn't tell Dad no when I'd been asking for years, and Fasha and E were mad at me too, and everybody is still mad even though they're happy with you now. And you didn't even notice!"
"I wanted to have something special with Dad too,"
"I- I want to be important too. I want to help! I want to be somebody special.
These are the core issues that Mato is suffering with: everyone's mad at him, he wants to do something with Dad, he wants to be useful.

The lattermost problem can be fixed easily. All he has to do is train harder. It really is that simple. The other two problems, they're a bit more complex.

On the subject of bringing Dad over, I say we should leave him out for now. Let the Maya stuff happen on its own, we can always get Dad later after Mato's calmed down somewhat and we've resolved any personal resentment against us.
 
Offering to train/spend time with him isn't going to do any good. It completely misses the point - "For once, this isn't about you!"

Obviously we're sympathetic to his plight, but the fact of the matter is that this isn't about us at all - it's not that we get all of the help and attention, it's that Mato doesn't get any. In this, we just represent what he doesn't have.

Honestly, my initial thoughts are to just be sympathetic, admit that we hadn't seen the issue and that we aren't really sure how to fix it. This is between Mato and our parents; we can offer to talk to them about the issue, but beyond that I really don't think we should do anything except hug him, and be a sympathetic ear.

So, something along the lines of:
[ ] Hug your brother
[ ] Respond to his concerns supportively
-[ ] Admit that it isn't fair, and that we hadn't seen the issue before, but that we aren't sure how to fix it - though we're open to suggestions.
--[ ] Be sympathetic, apologetic for not seeing it, and supportive.
 
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Offering to train/spend time with him isn't going to do any good. It completely misses the point - "For once, this isn't about you!"
I have to disagree with this. While the subject does not centre around us, we are not uninvolved. He is still our little brother, and we are still his big sister, and that means we have an obligation to support him. If we're using quotes to summarise what the actions involved mean, not offering him our time would be the same as going "I'm sorry, I really am, but I have things to do. Things more important than you."
 
I have to disagree with this. While the subject does not centre around us, we are not uninvolved. He is still our little brother, and we are still his big sister, and that means we have an obligation to support him. If we're using quotes to summarise what the actions involved mean, not offering him our time would be the same as going "I'm sorry, I really am, but I have things to do. Things more important than you."
His issue is that he isn't getting the attention and opportunities we get from our parents. I'm not saying we say we don't care, but how would spending time with us help with this problem? We spend time around him every day during family meals etc., it isn't our attention that he's craving.
 
[] Start a fight.
-[] Smack him on the back of the head. Smirk.
-[] "Well then, let's see how mad we can make him."

:V
 
but how would spending time with us help with this problem?
He wants to be special, and we can get him to the point where he's able to begin his journey into specialness. Some hardcore martial arts training should be a good base from which he can make a name for himself. Alternatively, we can help him discover what special talents or skills he might have. Maybe he's a ki prodigy like us? Or maybe he's a great fighter like Jaffur? Maybe he has no intrinsically special talents, in which case we Rock Lee the shit out of him and drive into him a philosophy of perseverance and extreme diligence to make up for that. There's lots of ways we can help. If nothing else, it's time spent with our rather neglected brother.
 
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He wants to be special, and we can get him to the point where he's able to begin his journey into specialness. Some hardcore martial arts training should be a good base from which he can make a name for himself. Alternatively, we can help him discover what special talents or skills he might have. Maybe he's a ki prodigy like us? Or maybe he's a great fighter like Jaffur? Maybe he has no intrinsically special talents, in which case we Rock Lee the shit out of him and drive into a philosophy of perseverance and extreme diligence to make up for that. There's lots of ways we can help. If nothing else, it's time spent with our rather neglected brother.
I think you've mistaken what he wants. The being "special" part isn't the important part - it's just a symptom of him wanting a real relationship with his father.
"I just...you get everything, you know?"

You blink. That's new.

"You just have to ask for stuff, and everybody runs to get it for you," he says, looking down. "You wanna be a Super Saiyan. Dad'll help. You want somebody to teach you how to be a Seer -- because you're a Seer, too -- and Mom and Dad get Carrick Balor, who's supposed to be crazy good, to be your teacher. You wanna learn to be an Oozaru? Dad gets you a teacher the same day you ask, and then he brings you with on my lessons with him." He crosses his arms. "You want human friends and you get them, you want to never talk to any saiyans even though it's your job and Dad lets you, you decide you do want to talk to saiyans 'cause of the Cult Council and the High Priest sends you a letter telling you to come."

Now that's just outrageously fair. "Hey, there's plenty I want that I don't get-"

"I don't get what I want," he murmurs.


"I've been asking since I was four for Dad to teach me Oozaru," he says. "And then he did. But only because he was fighting with you. I only got to learn because he couldn't talk with you and he was mad." Mato sniffles. "And then Mom was angry at him because he was being mean to you, and she yelled at me because I didn't tell Dad no when I'd been asking for years, and Fasha and E were mad at me too, and everybody is still mad even though they're happy with you now. And you didn't even notice!"

And...there is absolutely nothing you can say in response to that. Because he's right. You never did. You were too busy with the conspiracy, and being sad yourself, and so many other things, and Mato just...didn't rate. It never really occurred to you that there was more to this than simple envy.

"I wanted to have something special with Dad too," he says, beginning to sob in earnest. "And you know what? I wa- was glad!" He looks up, yelling at you. "I was glad you were fighting with him, because it was the only time he'd even spent time with me like he always does with you!" He scrubs at his eyes. "I- I want to be important too. I want to help! I want to be somebody special. But I'm not the Scion. I can't go Super Saiyan. I can't be useful. You are. And you get everything. You get to be special. You get to be important. You get Dad."

And he breaks down.
Notice how the points he's built up towards, the bits he gets really emotional about, are about Dad.
 
@PoptartProdigy, what are our parents' reasons for letting us do essentially whatever we want with our time?

Actually a slight failure on their part as parents, from certain perspectives: you are the Scion. They're fully aware of the demands on your time and future as it stands, and wanted you to have a childhood of your own. The fact that you've spent it instead plotting high treason was not strictly speaking according to design. :p In short, while for their other children they adopted a more traditional and far more strict education and raising, when it came to you, who was going to have some shit to dispense with later on in life, they chose to take a significantly lighter hand. They have certain requirements: you go to school and get the best grades you can (strictly speaking, not met, but the present A average satisfies them well enough that they don't poke into your academic rigor). You maintain your full FPSSJ power level (met). You be a good girl (debatably met, but met from their perspective). Beyond that, they make a conscious effort not to impose more demands than they need to. They don't want to pile on more stress than you can handle, and are uncertain enough in their ability to gauge that that they've elected to simply set results which you must produce.

From a certain perspective, it's a failure of discipline; from another, it's helping their unavoidably-important daughter dodge a nervous breakdown. Up for debate.
 
I think you've mistaken what he wants. The being "special" part isn't the important part - it's just a symptom of him wanting a real relationship with his father.
I disagree. While it is tied to wanting something that'll help connect him to Dad, I believe that he also wants to be special just to feel useful, like he's important. He might care more about being with special to be with Dad, but feeling like he's not useful - can't be useful - is a big part of his grievance towards us. Notice how "You get Dad" was merely the last of multiple "You gets". There's more than one thing he's upset about, even if they are connected.
 
Maybe we should tell him that if something like this comes up, he should come and tell us the real reason so that we can actually help. It doesn't solve his issues but it needs to be said.

Wait, no. He is eight, he would just get angry and say he has been doing that.

Ask if he has told dad he wants to spend alone time with him? No, that would also get him angry.

I admit, I am not good at this. Is there a way in which getting him angry helps? I feel we are good at that and better play to our strenghts.
 
[x] Hug your brother damnit
[x] Respond to his concerns supportively
-[x] Admit that it isn't fair, and that we hadn't seen the issue before, but that we aren't sure how to fix it - though we're open to suggestions.
--[x] Be sympathetic, apologetic for not seeing it, and supportive.
[x] Have your clone with Dad tell dad he needs to spend more time with Mato.
 
Is there a reason to have the clone tell dad now instead of us later? It reveals multiform and any advantage gained for swiftness is lost when Mato realizes we were spending alone time with daddy.
 
I dunno why we figured it out for being angry, but being jealous is supposed to be so hard."
Yes! Thank you! I cannot count how many times I e thought that.

Now that's just outrageously fair
I love the his turn of phrase. I'm not sure if you meant UNfair, but I like it this way.

Screaming in Kagome*
:>

First thing we need to do is express sympathy and understanding. THEN we can problem solve, but the emotional part needs to be dealt with first.

Here's my thought in long form, then as votes. I'm not sure I have voting right for this style (I'm used to long-form approval voting), so please correct me if needed.

*hug, hold, eventually release*
"You're absolutely right."

"What?"

"You're right. Dad has been ignoring you, and it's not fair, and I should have noticed it. I'm your big sister, I should be paying more attention. So, now that I AM paying attention, how can I help?"

<maybe he has suggestions, maybe doesn't. If so, and if they make sense, go with them>

"I can't fix the problem with Dad -- I mean, I'll yell at him if you want me to, but I'm betting you don't want him to start paying attention just because he's guilty. As to the rest of it...if you want to help, God knows I could use it.

"I know there's people spying on Jaffur's Mask, but I don't know who they are. I'm too visible to catch them at it, but you'd be perfect.

<insert other things he could help with; I'm too far out of this quest to remember everything that's going on>

[x] Hug your brother, damnit
[x] Start working with him
-[x] Give him a chance to be useful
-[x] Brainstorm with him about things he's interested in that we can help with.
 
Yes! Thank you! I cannot count how many times I e thought that.

In fact, I did borrow that wording from you. Mari, specifically. I'd heard and had the thought before, but never so elegantly stated.

I love the his turn of phrase. I'm not sure if you meant UNfair, but I like it this way.

Ack! You saw nothing!


:p

[x] Hug your brother, damnit
[x] Start working with him
-[x] Give him a chance to be useful
-[x] Brainstorm with him about things he's interested in that we can help with.

That's proper format. Really, it's not that different from your style. It's just that people only vote for the one thing they want most here as opposed to "acceptable and up."
 
[x] Hug your brother damnit
[x] Respond to his concerns supportively
-[x] Admit that it isn't fair, and that we hadn't seen the issue before, but that we aren't sure how to fix it - though we're open to suggestions.
--[x] Be sympathetic, apologetic for not seeing it, and supportive.

Open-ended, which I like. It doesn't automatically close off any potential solution, and the approach strikes me as the best one, from a mental/emotional perspective. One of the biggest, most important things to do when dealing with someone experiencing this kind of emotional distress is to acknowledge their feelings as real and valid. Mato feels unspecial, unwanted, like everyone's angry at him, etc.; that's something he is really, genuinely experiencing. If another bandwagon picks up, I urge my fellow Quest voters to keep that in mind. Mato's experiencing a powerful set of emotions that's deeply impacting him, and taking the time to listen, understand, and hear him is powerful.
 
[x] Hug your brother damnit
[x] Respond to his concerns supportively
-[x] Admit that it isn't fair, and that we hadn't seen the issue before, but that we aren't sure how to fix it - though we're open to suggestions.
--[x] Be sympathetic, apologetic for not seeing it, and supportive.

This. I like this.

Can we still offer to yell at Dad for him?

Also, is us knowing Multiform really a secret? I mean, all three clones have power levels. Dad can sense power levels almost as well as we can. And we thought training Maya was a secret, too.

I feel like the best thing to do is to simply assume that Dad, who taught us everything we know about intrigue (but not necessarily everything he knows) knows any particular secret we have unless we've taken extraordinary means to hide it from him.
 
[x] Hug your brother, damnit
[x] Start working with him
-[x] Give him a chance to be useful
-[x] Brainstorm with him about things he's interested in that we can help with.
 
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