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Dragon Ball: After the End

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PoptartProdigy said:
And, in fact, that is the first time any of those question have been asked in this thread. :D
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Wow really i'm actually really surprised it never came up.
Especially with how strong Beerus/Whis are as well as the entity.

And of saiyans are still being taught to be respectful to Beerus that either means no one has seen him or he's still around, which now that i've put it down in text sounds dumb, but it clarifies that at the very least we dont know for example that the enemy killed Beerus and thats how strong we need to be at the least, so thats a relief.

If the story behind the enemy turns out to be something as simple as the superhuman water got onto Whis it would be both the best and the worst reveal ever.
 
@PoptartProdigy Is hit remembered at all.

I mean he fought Goku as a god evenly without any special power ups, just overwhelming power and time stop, while apparently holding back his lethal moves.
 
Alternatively, it turns out that Beerus was a Neko Majin and someone consumed his Majin Dama, stealing all his power.
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What? It could happen!
 
Alex pears said:
@PoptartProdigy Is hit remembered at all.

I mean he fought Goku as a god evenly without any special power ups, just overwhelming power and time stop, while apparently holding back his lethal moves.
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He's remembered, but honestly he's irrelevant to your interests for the moment, being in Universe 6. He's a fairly minor point in the histories given how the fight with him didn't really have much in the way of stakes. I mean, come on, when you get down to it how big of a problem was the Super Dragon Ball wish really going to be? Champa orders himself an infinite ice cream sundae? I defy the thought that Champa would be non-self-absorbed enough to make a wish that affected more people than himself in any significant way. Hell, when Beerus made his wish I was all ready and waiting for it to be all petty and unworthy of the sheer scale of the power at play. Hearing him reach for some ambition was a pleasant surprise, and only barely in character. AND EVEN THEN IT WAS JUST TO BRING BACK EARTH SO CHAMPA WOULD HAVE A BETTER PLACE TO STUFF HIS FATTY FACE AT. /ALLOFMYRAGE
 
Alex pears said:
... sorry?
I mean the stuff with black goku I can see, but isn't the stuff with Champa the first season?
Ah never mind
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Third season, but it is first if you ignore the "retread the recent movies" seasons. Regardless, as Super is an ongoing work I would rather people keep things in spoiler boxes for those who are behind (this policy is now in the OP, but that's more for the benefit of newcomers to the quest so that they know my stance on the issue).
 
PoptartProdigy said:
He's remembered, but honestly he's irrelevant to your interests for the moment, being in Universe 6. He's a fairly minor point in the histories given how the fight with him didn't really have much in the way of stakes. I mean, come on, when you get down to it how big of a problem was the Super Dragon Ball wish really going to be? Champa orders himself an infinite ice cream sundae? I defy the thought that Champa would be non-self-absorbed enough to make a wish that affected more people than himself in any significant way. Hell, when Beerus made his wish I was all ready and waiting for it to be all petty and unworthy of the sheer scale of the power at play. Hearing him reach for some ambition was a pleasant surprise, and only barely in character. AND EVEN THEN IT WAS JUST TO BRING BACK EARTH SO CHAMPA WOULD HAVE A BETTER PLACE TO STUFF HIS FATTY FACE AT. /ALLOFMYRAGE
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To be fair I do think that isnt the whole truth about why he brought that earth back, certainly part of it was too get champa off of his back, but I think it was supposed to be a sort of two fold look at his character.
To show that even a god of destuction like him can have actual familial bonds, Whis and Vados obviously have some sort of comraderie from the start, but Champa and Beerus are constantly arguing, bringing back the earth for him was Beerus showing that he does care for his brother, as annoying as he may be.
The second part was to show his capacity for creation, or to be more clear, why he can avoid destroying things, the first thing you see of Beerus is him blowing entire planets up and his introductary arc is entirely centered around him considering destroying earth, which he obviously doesnt. It could have been left at that but then he continues to nurture Goku and Vegeta's growth and hell seems to even have some ammount of respect for Bulma.
Bringing back the other earth is a step in so far is it shows that he does have some level of respect for the people of earth, which is probably why its also mentioned that the culture on the other earth is much closer to the one in Beerus's universe.

Also can we respect that Bulma is putting in the work in all of super so far.
 
anailater said:
To be fair I do think that isnt the whole truth about why he brought that earth back, certainly part of it was too get champa off of his back, but I think it was supposed to be a sort of two fold look at his character.
To show that even a god of destuction like him can have actual familial bonds, Whis and Vados obviously have some sort of comraderie from the start, but Champa and Beerus are constantly arguing, bringing back the earth for him was Beerus showing that he does care for his brother, as annoying as he may be.
The second part was to show his capacity for creation, or to be more clear, why he can avoid destroying things, the first thing you see of Beerus is him blowing entire planets up and his introductary arc is entirely centered around him considering destroying earth, which he obviously doesnt. It could have been left at that but then he continues to nurture Goku and Vegeta's growth and hell seems to even have some ammount of respect for Bulma.
Bringing back the other earth is a step in so far is it shows that he does have some level of respect for the people of earth, which is probably why its also mentioned that the culture on the other earth is much closer to the one in Beerus's universe.

Also can we respect that Bulma is putting in the work in all of super so far.
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I mean, I do get that, but I was very annoyed at that arc in the first place. The whole time I was just thinking back to Vegeta, Freeza, Cell, Majin Buu, Beerus, and Freeza again, and just thinking, "When the hell did I stop caring who won these fights?" I mean, I make no secret of my exasperation with how Goku's character has been used lately, but up until the Champa saga there were at least stakes that I gave a damn about.

I do love Bulma putting in the work and being relevant even without powers, though.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
I mean, I do get that, but I was very annoyed at that arc in the first place. The whole time I was just thinking back to Vegeta, Freeza, Cell, Majin Buu, Beerus, and Freeza again, and just thinking, "When the hell did I stop caring who won these fights?" I mean, I make no secret of my exasperation with how Goku's character has been used lately, but up until the Champa saga there were at least stakes that I gave a damn about.

I do love Bulma putting in the work and being relevant even without powers, though.
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To be fair again I dont think anyone apart from Bulma cared in that Arc, Really it seemed more like set up to the concept of universes and the eventual 12 universe tournament, Thats why their were the rules about no killing and such.
And like you said even if Champa had won the dragon balls and moved earth to the other universe things wouldnt even be that bad for the cast, the biggest threat was the possibility that Beerus or Champa might have killed the losers, and that was nullified by the king of all showing up.

Not to say it's a good or bad thing their were no real stakes, just that you are right in that their were none, but wrong in so far that they were failing to make you feel the stakes. Though personally if there could be one difference I could make with the arc I'd have Piccolo defeat Frost instead of Vegeta, maybe have his arm get hit with the poison and he rips it off.
 
anailater said:
To be fair again I dont think anyone apart from Bulma cared in that Arc, Really it seemed more like set up to the concept of universes and the eventual 12 universe tournament, Thats why their were the rules about no killing and such.
And like you said even if Champa had won the dragon balls and moved earth to the other universe things wouldnt even be that bad for the cast, the biggest threat was the possibility that Beerus or Champa might have killed the losers, and that was nullified by the king of all showing up.

Not to say it's a good or bad thing their were no real stakes, just that you are right in that their were none, but wrong in so far that they were failing to make you feel the stakes. Though personally if there could be one difference I could make with the arc I'd have Piccolo defeat Frost instead of Vegeta, maybe have his arm get hit with the poison and he rips it off.
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o_O I mean, I feel like I can fairly reliably say that they failed to make me feel the stakes. Maybe you felt the stakes, but I definitely felt let down. But regardless, we're straying into off-topic territory, and the endless spoiler boxes will be off-putting to some.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
o_O I mean, I feel like I can fairly reliably say that they failed to make me feel the stakes. Maybe you felt the stakes, but I definitely felt let down. But regardless, we're straying into off-topic territory, and the endless spoiler boxes will be off-putting to some.
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Okay this is my last post on the subject, to say you read my post completely wrong, im saying that the arc were talking about purposefully had no real stakes, for most of the characters it was fighting for fightings sake, and even had they lost nothing bad would've happened. What I was saying was that their's nothing wrong with having a more calm arc every so often.
 
anailater said:
Okay this is my last post on the subject, to say you read my post completely wrong, im saying that the arc were talking about purposefully had no real stakes, for most of the characters it was fighting for fightings sake, and even had they lost nothing bad would've happened. What I was saying was that their's nothing wrong with having a more calm arc every so often.
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Ah, I see. No, I got all that; I just disagree that it was a worthwhile narrative choice on their part. That said, I don't think we'll be convincing each other.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
Ah, I see. No, I got all that; I just disagree that it was a worthwhile narrative choice on their part. That said, I don't think we'll be convincing each other.
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Yeah sure I get that, but it's fun to talk about this kind of stuff anyway so I dont feel particularly bad about it.

And hell your the one making the story, in the end what you say goes canon-wise

But you are completely wrong about Mr satan, but thats an entirely different heated debate.
 
anailater said:
Yeah sure I get that, but it's fun to talk about this kind of stuff anyway so I dont feel particularly bad about it.

And hell your the one making the story, in the end what you say goes canon-wise

But you are completely wrong about Mr satan, but thats an entirely different heated debate.
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Oh, it's still canon, no worries there. And I saw that almost-invisitext there. ;)
 
Fine, let's jump on the new, shinier, bandwagon.

[x] Move in-between them.
-[x] Provide said reason (though likely the kind of reason he wanted).
--[x] Tell Yammar that sneaking in here uninvited and then threatening to murder people is not okay. He has a right to be angry of being accused for being responsible for Jaffur's sealing, and if the Faith agrees to let him stay he has a right to demand an explanation and take part in the debate, but if he threatens anyone again, tries to murder Dandeer or if we sense he's even preparing to attack with your ki, we're throwing him out.
--[x] If we sense Yammar preparing to attack, stop him.

I hope we have enough pepto for when we have to eat him.
 
Things have largely settled with a heavily divided vote -- but one that, nonetheless, constitutes a plurality. I would at this point like to close the vote to any new write-ins. However, given that I have other things to do at the moment anyway, if anybody wishes to campaign for their vote or switch their vote, now is the time. The vote is not closed -- but any new write-ins will be ignored. We've had three separate bandwagons on this one; let's get things settled. ;)

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[X] Move in-between them.
-[X] Provide said reason (though likely the kind of reason he wanted).
--[X] Tell Yammar that sneaking in here uninvited and then threatening to murder people is not okay. He has a right to be angry of being accused for being responsible for Jaffur's sealing, and if the Faith agrees to let him stay he has a right to demand an explanation and take part in the debate, but if he threatens anyone again, tries to murder Dandeer or if we sense he's even preparing to attack with your ki, we're throwing him out.
--[X] If we sense Yammar preparing to attack, stop him.
No. of Votes: 8
Bommelom
Andres110
Aranfan
KaintukeeBob
Nathaniel Wolff
Quest
Terrabrand
The king Chad

[X] Move in-between them.
-[X] Politely but firmly request that he stand down. Whether or not she is correct or incorrect in her statement, he is disrupting the council. He can present a a counter-claim in an orderly manner when she is finished, if he so desires.
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Gore17
Chaossama
Fastrike
Karnax626
veekie
Walkin' Man

[X] Provide said single reason (write-in what).
-[X] Because she blames Lord Vegeta's actions for what she did. As a Patriarch, he might want to know what she is talking about and her versión of the events before deciding and whether she is talking out of anger or trying to shift the blame.
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Bakkasama
ChildishChimera
Kairos123
KnightDisciple
Sucal

[X] Stand back.
-[X] But If your mentioned then dont be afraid to speak up.
- [X] ESPECIALLY IF MENTIONED IN TERMS OF HELPING WITH THE SEALING.
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anailater
Lupercal
Orisha91
Yorick's Skull

[X] Stand back.
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SMuha
Enerael

[X] Provide said single reason
-[X] Because in addition to the fact that _ murdering someone while I'm mediating is very rude to me, meaning I'd have to try to intervene to stop it and get beaten up and then my grandma would jump in and then we'd have a civil war, if she's killed before making her full argument then there will always be a niggling doubt in the minds of the masses that maybe she was right. Also, if anyone should get to pass judgement on her, it should be her son.
No. of Votes: 1
Rmnimoc

[X] Provide said single reason (write-in what).
-[X] "Because you failed in your duty as Patriarch to reign in Vegeta. Your son nearly killed your grandson, and you were nowhere to be found. You broke your son, and didn't do anything to prevent him from breaking your grandson in turn. My Father is still alive only because Jaffur wasn't broken yet, but your negligence played no part in that."
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Kelirapc

[X] Provide said single reason (write-in what).
- [X] Because, Sir Patriarch , I am Mediating. And if you attempt to end a life here, where I have given my word to keep the peace, I would be forced to interfere, and such a fight would lead to war. Please, Stand down.
No. of Votes: 1
Lunaryon

Total No. of Voters: 28
 
[X] Move in-between them.
-[X] Politely but firmly request that he stand down. Whether or not she is correct or incorrect in her statement, he is disrupting the council. He can present a a counter-claim in an orderly manner when she is finished, if he so desires.
 
I'm sad no one liked my vote. :<

Oh well, guess I've got to ditch it and hop onto a wagon.

[X] Move in-between them.
-[X] Provide said reason (though likely the kind of reason he wanted).
--[X] Tell Yammar that sneaking in here uninvited and then threatening to murder people is not okay. He has a right to be angry of being accused for being responsible for Jaffur's sealing, and if the Faith agrees to let him stay he has a right to demand an explanation and take part in the debate, but if he threatens anyone again, tries to murder Dandeer or if we sense he's even preparing to attack with your ki, we're throwing him out.
--[X] If we sense Yammar preparing to attack, stop him.
 
[X] Move in-between them.
-[X] Provide said reason (though likely the kind of reason he wanted).
--[X] Tell Yammar that sneaking in here uninvited and then threatening to murder people is not okay. He has a right to be angry of being accused for being responsible for Jaffur's sealing, and if the Faith agrees to let him stay he has a right to demand an explanation and take part in the debate, but if he threatens anyone again, tries to murder Dandeer or if we sense he's even preparing to attack with your ki, we're throwing him out.
--[X] If we sense Yammar preparing to attack, stop him.

Changing my vote, as this one was not yet an option when I voted. This does seem like an argument tha is more likely to work on a Vegetan (though that may be racist).
 
Changing my vote. Like this a bit better.

[X] Move in-between them.
-[X] Provide said reason (though likely the kind of reason he wanted).
--[X] Tell Yammar that sneaking in here uninvited and then threatening to murder people is not okay. He has a right to be angry of being accused for being responsible for Jaffur's sealing, and if the Faith agrees to let him stay he has a right to demand an explanation and take part in the debate, but if he threatens anyone again, tries to murder Dandeer or if we sense he's even preparing to attack with your ki, we're throwing him out.
--[X] If we sense Yammar preparing to attack, stop him.
 
Karnax626 said:
Changing my vote, as this one was not yet an option when I voted. This does seem like an argument tha is more likely to work on a Vegetan (though that may be racist).
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Pretty sure it's more 'political' or 'classist' or the like than racist- we have a rather limited base genepool and no apparent laws against interbreeding, and Poptart Prodigy has not referenced any 'all or most Vegetans have these biological feature and Gokuns don't' or anything like that.
 
Terrabrand said:
Pretty sure it's more 'political' or 'classist' or the like than racist- we have a rather limited base genepool and no apparent laws against interbreeding, and Poptart Prodigy has not referenced any 'all or most Vegetans have these biological feature and Gokuns don't' or anything like that.
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That's the word. I figured it wasn't racist, but for the life of me I couldn't think of a better one. It's like, their way of ruling/governing?
 
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