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Dragon Ball: After the End

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Do you have to phrase it like that though? That implies a war within the clans when it would be better to point out that it would be hard enough for him to beat two super saiyans or one in the time it takes us to bring the third one in. If you imply this is a matter of clans then the Vegetans will side with their prince.
 
Meh, fine.

[X] Move in-between them.
-[X] Politely but firmly request that he stand down. Whether or not she is correct or incorrect in her statement, he is disrupting the council. He can present a a counter-claim in an orderly manner when she is finished, if he so desires.

Bommelom said:
..I should probably break the tie, but, first. @PoptartProdigy, what happens if either of the leading votes win but Yammar still attacks Dandeer?
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Then he eventually gets eaten by a golden ape. And we have to take that yucky pink stuff for days. And the voice screams for a long time, no matter how hard we try to quiet it. And Dad will probably be a bit disappointed in us.
 
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Lunaryon said:
1-4,6 - It is not a threat of violence. Should he attack someone during an event that have decreed we are acting as mediator, we will have to intervene. That means that should he attack, it is the Patriarch of the Vegetans attacking the Scion of the Gokun. That WILL lead to a war between houses.
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It is not the Patriarch of Vegeta attacking the Scion of Goku, it is the Scion of Goku attacking the Patriarch of Vegeta to prevent him from attacking the Regent of Vegeta. WE would be the aggressors so far as the actions between he and us go.
 
Andres110 said:
It is not the Patriarch of Vegeta attacking the Scion of Goku, it is the Scion of Goku attacking the Patriarch of Vegeta to prevent him from attacking the Regent of Vegeta. WE would be the aggressors so far as the actions between he and us go.
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I disagree. he is the aggressive element because we had already promised to keep order.
 
Andres110 said:
It is not the Patriarch of Vegeta attacking the Scion of Goku, it is the Scion of Goku attacking the Patriarch of Vegeta to prevent him from attacking the Regent of Vegeta. WE would be the aggressors so far as the actions between he and us go.
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No, it's the Vegeta Patriarch attempting to murder someone in a place where he's not even supposed to be and the Scion of Goku upholding the law/peace.
 
KaintukeeBob said:
Meh, fine.

[X] Move in-between them.
-[X] Politely but firmly request that he stand down. Whether or not she is correct or incorrect in her statement, he is disrupting the council. He can present a a counter-claim in an orderly manner when she is finished, if he so desires.



Then he eventually gets eaten by a golden ape. And we have to take that yucky pink stuff for days. And the voice screams for a long time, no matter how hard we try to quiet it. And Dad will probably be a bit disappointed in us.
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I will reiterate. He believes himself a prince and above everyone else; on top of that, the guy is royally pissed because he was just accused by the one who brainwashed his 8 year old grandson of being the one to blame for that. He walks up to her, everyone watching is terrified and then he demands of her one reason for him not to kill her where she stand, the guy is that angry.

And our supposed answer is that he should wait his turn before speaking/ presenting his counterargument.

Don't you see anything wrong with that?
 
[X] Provide said single reason (write-in what).
-[X] Because she blames Lord Vegeta's actions for what she did. As a Patriarch, he might want to know what she is talking about and her versión of the events before deciding and whether she is talking out of anger or trying to shift the blame.

I don't really want to support the current votes at all, but this seems less bad than some alternatives...
 
[X] Provide said single reason (write-in what).
-[X] Because she blames Lord Vegeta's actions for what she did. As a Patriarch, he might want to know what she is talking about and her versión of the events before deciding and whether she is talking out of anger or trying to shift the blame.
 
[X] Provide said single reason (write-in what).
-[X] Because she blames Lord Vegeta's actions for what she did. As a Patriarch, he might want to know what she is talking about and her versión of the events before deciding and whether she is talking out of anger or trying to shift the blame.
 
[X] Move in-between them.
-[X] Politely but firmly request that he stand down. Whether or not she is correct or incorrect in her statement, he is disrupting the council. He can present a a counter-claim in an orderly manner when she is finished, if he so desires.
 
How about this:

[] Get mad. Get Super Saiyan.
-[] The subject material is understandably distressing, but ultimately it doesn't give Yammar the right to dispense death threats.
-[] Warn the Lady Vegeta to be more careful with her words, else we'll see it as deliberate provocation and that would make us very upset.

Because Yammar really is out of line. He is completely right to feel angry, but he doesn't have the right to go making threats here, he's no different from anyone else at Garenhuld II in this regard. A beach of conduct this severe needs to be addressed and it's our job as Kakara the Mighty, the Just, Designated Mediator to be the one to address it. It can't just be ignored or skirted around.
 
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I don't really like either of the leading votes.

I think Gore's substitute vote (no fault to Gore, of course) is too passive-aggressive, while Bakkasama's response seems to accept Yammar's actions as reasonable, which I think they are absolutely not, and both would also let him get away with threatening to murder people without anyone calling him out.

[X] Move in-between them.
-[X] Provide said reason (though likely the kind of reason he wanted).
--[X] Tell Yammar that sneaking in here uninvited and then threatening to murder people is not okay. He has a right to be angry of being accused for being responsible for Jaffur's sealing, and if the Faith agrees to let him stay he has a right to demand an explanation and take part in the debate, but if he threatens anyone again, tries to murder Dandeer or if we sense he's even preparing to attack with your ki, we're throwing him out.
--[X] If we sense Yammar preparing to attack, stop him.

Again, I think the guy is completely out of line by showing up uninvited and then threatening to murder people, so at this moment I don't want to worry about offending him, I just want to ensure he doesn't kill Dandeer.

(Since he's a sadistic child-torturing monster I also don't particularly want him on our side, but the most important thing is to ensure Dandeer doesn't get killed, because if she did Jaffur would become even more fucked up).

@PoptartProdigy, if Yammar kills Dandeer, that would be murder/illegal, right?

..And is there anywhere in the Hall where there aren't any people and we can Instant Transmission to?
 
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[X] Move in-between them.
-[X] Provide said reason (though likely the kind of reason he wanted).
--[X] Tell Yammar that sneaking in here uninvited and then threatening to murder people is not okay. He has a right to be angry of being accused for being responsible for Jaffur's sealing, and if the Faith agrees to let him stay he has a right to demand an explanation and take part in the debate, but if he threatens anyone again, tries to murder Dandeer or we sense any suspicious ki activites from him, we're throwing him out.
--[X] If you sense Yammar preparing to attack, use Solar Flare and then take him down as quickly and aggressively as possible.


Voting for this. Hope it picks up steam.
 
Bommelom said:
[X] Move in-between them.
-[X] Provide said reason (though likely the kind of reason he wanted).
--[X] Tell Yammar that sneaking in here uninvited and then threatening to murder people is not okay. He has a right to be angry of being accused for being responsible for Jaffur's sealing, and if the Faith agrees to let him stay he has a right to demand an explanation and take part in the debate, but if he threatens anyone again, tries to murder Dandeer or we sense any suspicious ki activites from him, we're throwing him out.
--[X] If you sense Yammar preparing to attack, use Solar Flare and then take him down as quickly and aggressively as possible.
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I like this and I'll likely vote for it, but there are three changes I think should be made.

1. Remove the "suspicious ki activities" clause. It's too broad and vague, plus his ki is weird.
2. Remove the mention of using Solar Flare. If Kakara - who is an excellent warrior and strategist in her own right - feels that it should be used she'll use it, she doesn't need us to vote for it.
3. Add my suggestion of telling Dandeer to avoid provocation. Doing so will prevent her from provoking anyone and thus messing everything up again and it'll show everyone that we're not biased in her favour and that she doesn't have free reign to be a gigantic bitch.
 
Andres110 said:
1. Remove the "suspicious ki activities" clause. It's too broad and vague, plus his ki is weird.
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Would replacing it with an "if I sense you're even preparing to attack with your ki" clause be okay?
Andres110 said:
3. Add my suggestion of telling Dandeer to avoid provocation. Doing so will prevent her from provoking anyone and thus messing everything up again and it'll show everyone that we're not biased in her favour and that she doesn't have free reign to be a gigantic bitch.
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Dandeer didn't provoke him as she didn't know he was there, so I don't think we should preemptively tell her not to offend him. I'd be okay with adding something to chastise Dandeer if she provokes him.

@Aranfan, since you voted for it, what do you think?
 
Bommelom said:
Would replacing it with an "if I sense you're even preparing to attack with your ki" be okay?
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That's fine.

Bommelom said:
Dandeer didn't provoke him as she didn't know he was there, so I don't think we should preemptively tell her not to offend him. I'd be okay with adding something to chastise Dandeer if she provokes him.
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She didn't know that he was there, but now she does. If she continues talking the way she was, now knowing that she's here, that's provocation which is what I'm suggesting we should warn her against. A pre-warning is better than a post-chastisement because if she doesn't do anything to warrant it, there's no proof that we're not on her side.
 
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Aranfan said:
I prefer how it was.
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You like the "suspicious ki clause" better than the "f I sense you're even preparing to attack with your ki" clause, then?

And do you prefer I specify that we're going to use Solar Flare to stop him if he attacks or would a general "if he tries to attack, stop him" be just as good?

(In the number two case I personally prefer the former, and I think the meaning of both clauses are the same).

Sorry for being specific, but I need to sleep soon, so I won't be able to alter it then.

Andres110 said:
She didn't know that he was there, but now she does. If she continues talking the way she was, now knowing that she's here, that's provocation which is what I'm suggesting we should warn her against. A pre-warning is better than a post-chastisement because if she doesn't do anything to warrant it, there's no proof that we're not on her side.
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Yammar threatened to kill her, I think that's enough of of a warning. She's the regent of Clan Vegeta, I think we should assume she's not going to be stupid, and I also don't want to help Yammar bully people into submission.
 
Andres110 said:
How about this:

[] Get mad. Get Super Saiyan.
-[] The subject material is understandably distressing, but ultimately it doesn't give Yammar the right to dispense death threats.
-[] Warn the Lady Vegeta to be more careful with her words, else we'll see it as deliberate provocation and that would make us very upset.

Because Yammar really is out of line. He is completely right to feel angry, but he doesn't have the right to go making threats here, he's no different from anyone else at Garenhuld II in this regard. A beach of conduct this severe needs to be addressed and it's our job as Kakara the Mighty, the Just, Designated Mediator to be the one to address it. It can't just be ignored or skirted around.
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You're already transformed.
Bommelom said:
@PoptartProdigy, if Yammar kills Dandeer, that would be murder/illegal, right?

..And is there anywhere in the Hall where there aren't any people and we can Instant Transmission to?
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Depends on how he sells it. Her claim to the Regency is fucking thin, so he could conceivably phrase it as deposing a usurper. Depends. The judge and jury on that case would be Berra.

The Hall is several miles wide and long. You can find a spot.
 
[] Move in-between them.
-[] Provide said reason (though likely the kind of reason he wanted).
--[] Tell Yammar that sneaking in here uninvited and then threatening to murder people is not okay. He has a right to be angry of being accused for being responsible for Jaffur's sealing, and if the Faith agrees to let him stay he has a right to demand an explanation and take part in the debate, but if he threatens anyone again, tries to murder Dandeer or if we sense he's even preparing to attack with your ki, we're throwing him out.
--[] If we sense Yammar preparing to attack, stop him.

..Is this good enough for you, @Andres110?

And for that matter, is it different enough from my earlier vote that they wouldn't be lumped under the same thing, @PoptartProdigy?
 
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