Dragon Ball: After the End
DkArthas
CAPITAL IS TO BLAME
- Location
- Earth
- Pronouns
- They
[X] Plan Deathbybunnies - Solar Flare and Ki Refinement
[X][HOW] Caution or not, you know one thing, and that is that a society which has Princes must have those Princes show their faces for something this big. The Prince will need to appear in public at some point, discuss things with elites, show the flag. You won't exactly be able to get within eavesdropping distance, not with his security as it'll be likely to be, but you'll be able to get closer than you would on his ship, and even if he keeps that armor on everywhere, close proximity will give you more chances to deduce things. A decent chance to suss out conclusive hints as to his identity, but you would be conducting close surveillance on a very personally powerful man.
[X][PRINCE] You'll wait until the last possible second according to your Sight, but if it comes down to it, you'll make that trip to his ship to discover his identity. The entire plan turns on getting that identity
[X][HOW] Caution or not, you know one thing, and that is that a society which has Princes must have those Princes show their faces for something this big. The Prince will need to appear in public at some point, discuss things with elites, show the flag. You won't exactly be able to get within eavesdropping distance, not with his security as it'll be likely to be, but you'll be able to get closer than you would on his ship, and even if he keeps that armor on everywhere, close proximity will give you more chances to deduce things. A decent chance to suss out conclusive hints as to his identity, but you would be conducting close surveillance on a very personally powerful man.
[X][PRINCE] You'll wait until the last possible second according to your Sight, but if it comes down to it, you'll make that trip to his ship to discover his identity. The entire plan turns on getting that identity
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KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
- Location
- Midwest, USA
[X] Plan Deathbybunnies - General Training
[X][HOW] Caution or not, you know one thing, and that is that a society which has Princes must have those Princes show their faces for something this big. The Prince will need to appear in public at some point, discuss things with elites, show the flag. You won't exactly be able to get within eavesdropping distance, not with his security as it'll be likely to be, but you'll be able to get closer than you would on his ship, and even if he keeps that armor on everywhere, close proximity will give you more chances to deduce things. A decent chance to suss out conclusive hints as to his identity, but you would be conducting close surveillance on a very personally powerful man.
[X][PRINCE] You'll wait until the last possible second according to your Sight, but if it comes down to it, you'll make that trip to his ship to discover his identity. The entire plan turns on getting that identity
[X][HOW] Caution or not, you know one thing, and that is that a society which has Princes must have those Princes show their faces for something this big. The Prince will need to appear in public at some point, discuss things with elites, show the flag. You won't exactly be able to get within eavesdropping distance, not with his security as it'll be likely to be, but you'll be able to get closer than you would on his ship, and even if he keeps that armor on everywhere, close proximity will give you more chances to deduce things. A decent chance to suss out conclusive hints as to his identity, but you would be conducting close surveillance on a very personally powerful man.
[X][PRINCE] You'll wait until the last possible second according to your Sight, but if it comes down to it, you'll make that trip to his ship to discover his identity. The entire plan turns on getting that identity
[X] Plan Deathbybunnies - General Training
[X][HOW] Caution or not, you know one thing, and that is that a society which has Princes must have those Princes show their faces for something this big. The Prince will need to appear in public at some point, discuss things with elites, show the flag. You won't exactly be able to get within eavesdropping distance, not with his security as it'll be likely to be, but you'll be able to get closer than you would on his ship, and even if he keeps that armor on everywhere, close proximity will give you more chances to deduce things. A decent chance to suss out conclusive hints as to his identity, but you would be conducting close surveillance on a very personally powerful man.
[X][PRINCE] You will not chance it. New Namek needs time to prepare defenses and evacuate not only itself, but those among its pseudo-protectorates who wish to leave.
My personal instinct says that worst comes to worst we just... scry again later? It seems like it'd be difficult for a truly determined effort to fail, and we already have a pretty good confidence guess so.
[X][HOW] Caution or not, you know one thing, and that is that a society which has Princes must have those Princes show their faces for something this big. The Prince will need to appear in public at some point, discuss things with elites, show the flag. You won't exactly be able to get within eavesdropping distance, not with his security as it'll be likely to be, but you'll be able to get closer than you would on his ship, and even if he keeps that armor on everywhere, close proximity will give you more chances to deduce things. A decent chance to suss out conclusive hints as to his identity, but you would be conducting close surveillance on a very personally powerful man.
[X][PRINCE] You will not chance it. New Namek needs time to prepare defenses and evacuate not only itself, but those among its pseudo-protectorates who wish to leave.
My personal instinct says that worst comes to worst we just... scry again later? It seems like it'd be difficult for a truly determined effort to fail, and we already have a pretty good confidence guess so.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
- Location
- United States
[X] Plan Deathbybunnies - General Training
[X] Plan Deathbybunnies - Solar Flare and Ki Refinement
Kind of feel like Kakara would get a LOT of use out of Solar Flare. Is there an equivalent technique for sound? It might be worth pursuing.
[X] Plan Deathbybunnies - Solar Flare and Ki Refinement
Kind of feel like Kakara would get a LOT of use out of Solar Flare. Is there an equivalent technique for sound? It might be worth pursuing.
- Location
- United States
[X] Plan Deathbybunnies - Solar Flare and Ki Refinement
I've got some quibbles with the plan but it's personal training heavy, so close enough for me.
I've got some quibbles with the plan but it's personal training heavy, so close enough for me.
- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
[X] Plan Deathbybunnies - General Training
[X][HOW] Caution or not, you know one thing, and that is that a society which has Princes must have those Princes show their faces for something this big. The Prince will need to appear in public at some point, discuss things with elites, show the flag. You won't exactly be able to get within eavesdropping distance, not with his security as it'll be likely to be, but you'll be able to get closer than you would on his ship, and even if he keeps that armor on everywhere, close proximity will give you more chances to deduce things. A decent chance to suss out conclusive hints as to his identity, but you would be conducting close surveillance on a very personally powerful man.
[X][PRINCE] You'll wait until the last possible second according to your Sight, but if it comes down to it, you'll make that trip to his ship to discover his identity. The entire plan turns on getting that identity
[X][HOW] Caution or not, you know one thing, and that is that a society which has Princes must have those Princes show their faces for something this big. The Prince will need to appear in public at some point, discuss things with elites, show the flag. You won't exactly be able to get within eavesdropping distance, not with his security as it'll be likely to be, but you'll be able to get closer than you would on his ship, and even if he keeps that armor on everywhere, close proximity will give you more chances to deduce things. A decent chance to suss out conclusive hints as to his identity, but you would be conducting close surveillance on a very personally powerful man.
[X][PRINCE] You'll wait until the last possible second according to your Sight, but if it comes down to it, you'll make that trip to his ship to discover his identity. The entire plan turns on getting that identity
- Location
- United States
[X] Plan Deathbybunnies - General Training
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
As a general note, posted between all of my quests:
It's been quite the long hiatus! As it's in the process of ending, I feel it only wise to post a general reminder of how I do things, QM-wise.
It's been quite the long hiatus! As it's in the process of ending, I feel it only wise to post a general reminder of how I do things, QM-wise.
- I like writing character drama. Yes, 75% of my quests have been army management or nation quests. You're still getting character drama. Shit's fun.
- This goes double for those folks who follow the other 25%, where I wrote an actual character-centric quest focused around an entire society of people who are as a personality type congenitally and helplessly messy. It's about Dragon Ball, y'all knew what you were walking into.
- In terms of practical impacts, this means you are much better served asking what the characters as they've behaved to date would do in the situation presented than you are asking what the logical next plot point would be. I set up worlds with lots of actors in them and chuck them into the arena to bounce off of one another. There is no plot save what the characters create.
- This goes double for those folks who follow the other 25%, where I wrote an actual character-centric quest focused around an entire society of people who are as a personality type congenitally and helplessly messy. It's about Dragon Ball, y'all knew what you were walking into.
- Here's the big one. I am Lawful Evil. I believe in being scrupulously fair about how I go about things, but I am interested in drama and conflict in my quests, and I will mess with y'all in the pursuit of that within the rules I set out for myself.
- Your perspective is limited. You view the world by way of your viewpoint character. The information you get is accurate, but only to the extent that the viewpoint character perceives it. Statements made as a part of narration reflect the viewpoint character's perspective, and not the objective nature of reality. In addition, just because you get a non-PC perspective doesn't mean you get everything that viewpoint character experienced. Anything you see on-screen is true as above, but here more than anywhere, if something happened, and for whatever reason the PC wouldn't have direct knowledge of it (due to concealment or absence), I might simply omit it. That's not to say that non-PC perspectives are intrinsically suspect, but neither should you take them as quite as ironclad as a proper PC-centric update. All narrators are unreliable by default, and veterans of my quests can tell you that I will slip things through gaps in perspective.
- This does extend to me toying with mechanics; I'm not going to cheat you -- the result is the result -- but I'm more than willing to mess with what is reported to you. If your friend has an immensely successful time at a baking championship but they think a hard-won struggle would impress you more, then the DC you are told they were checking against might be significantly higher than was actually the case. Of course, the discrepancy is yours to notice with any other information you might have.
- I try my best not to mess with how a vote is going to turn out; if I'm giving you information that wasn't in the update, it's because it's something the viewpoint character genuinely would have known and factored into their decision, not because I've decided that I want another vote to win. It's not interesting to cheat like that; I'm not here to write fanfic, I'm here to run a quest.
- If I've made a mistake in the past with a QM ruling and in the present find that I have cause to regret it on the grounds that it hurts my ability to run the game to either my enjoyment or the players', I reserve the right to correct my mistake. The point of the game is always how it runs now, and not building a consistent set of case law in my statements.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Well, I talked a big game, but it is officially this thread's turn, so here we go. Expect an update in the next few days, and I'll spool us back up to speed with a refresher.
You know, in retrospect...I am actually kind of glad we lost against Dandeer?
What we have gained since becoming a shade would not feel as good if we weren't bouncing back from the bottom of the plot curve.
What we have gained since becoming a shade would not feel as good if we weren't bouncing back from the bottom of the plot curve.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
I will defend that it was the correct thing for me to do in the moment. I definitely could've softened it better. Should not have broken the update where I did or presented the situation as I did.
Presentation is key; Aranfan is right that losing sucks. Gotta get some sugar on that. As the update following that one demonstrated.
Presentation is key; Aranfan is right that losing sucks. Gotta get some sugar on that. As the update following that one demonstrated.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
In all fairness, there were some precautions we could have taken.
When your character is explicitly a precognitive, and you don't vote for the "use your precognition to get visions of how your planned coup attempt might pan out" when you are given the opportunity to vote to do so...
Well, let's just say that with the benefit of hindsight, I don't feel I have any right to complain about how badly Dandeer blindsided Kakara there.
- Location
- Italy
even worse, we also had a basically free chance to charge Spirit Saiyan. Even just getting the ki from all our allies and friends (including the friendly super saiyans) would have made the battle trivial.
To be honest I'm not sure that would have made a difference? A huge amount of the reason that our plans didn't work was becuase of Carrick being mind controlled, and ordinary seer visions don't work w/ seer interference. For all I know it would have shown Kakara winning because of the power ball trick, or something like that? I'm not too sure if it would have run up into some defense of Dandeer's - plausibly what we did got around something of hers?
That being said it totally made sense - we tried to fight her while neglecting the intrigue side hard, and we got punished hard for that.
- Location
- Italy
Carrick didn't change our visions, he just made them more costly on us, so we used them less than we otherwise could. HE also basically told us "you're going to win, no reason to waste your vision juice, I'm being honest here!"... and we believed him.
He also explicitly didn't tell Dandeer, thanks to some loophole in her orders, so he probably wouldn't have warned her.
I think there's been some implication the seal on our seer powers might not have even been malicious, but something of a training aid, but I might be misremembering this. The fact he didnt' tell us does seem to make it unlikely, I admit.
Of course Dandeer still had some special defenses... but a vision might have warned us of them, and the vegetan sorcerer... I don't remember the name, might have been able to work out something to shut them off, especially if we supercharged his spells with ssj or spirit saiyan ki.
In other words, we fucked up. A LOT. the loss was deserved on our part on multiple front, bitter and badly delivered as it was. It was or at least never should have been an argument about how we deserved the loss, just that it was delivered somewhat poorly... and the thread was irrationally salty about it.
It worked out pretty well in the end. I'm still waiting for our chance at ssj2 though
I don't mean that Carrick actively did anything to mess with our visions - I'm just saying that one of the known flaws of Sight is that it doesn't predict the actions of people guided by precog. A really big factor for why we lost was that Dandeer had Carrick's foresight on tap - which as best I understand it, wouldn't show up in a vision?
- Location
- Italy
I think it wouldn't show until Carrick decided to act on the new knowledge, though I'm not sure.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
By the way- I knew this once and forgot...
Is there any provision in Exile society for there to be multiple generations of Patriarchs/Matriarchs at once? The reigning lords of the royal houses retire, and in our generation that was the end of it, but I imagine there would be occasions on which a lord lives long enough to see their living great-grandchild born.
Though I doubt a lord has to step down and retire when that happens, if they're still in good health and not so inclined.
In which case we could have taken some precautions and avoided a lot of suffering.
Is there any provision in Exile society for there to be multiple generations of Patriarchs/Matriarchs at once? The reigning lords of the royal houses retire, and in our generation that was the end of it, but I imagine there would be occasions on which a lord lives long enough to see their living great-grandchild born.
Though I doubt a lord has to step down and retire when that happens, if they're still in good health and not so inclined.
The part where Dandeer could mind-control not only Lord Vegeta to protect her (which was fairly predictable) but also Berra (!) and Yammar, who hates her (!!!)... Ehh, THAT had nothing to do with Carrick. It seems likely she'd implanted commands in both of them years ago, so there's at least a reasonable chance that a vision could have warned us we'd have to face more opposition.
In which case we could have taken some precautions and avoided a lot of suffering.